Members News & Views – July, 2009
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Terrorism claimed over 3,000 lives in tribal areas: report
PESHAWAR: Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) secretariat has issued the report of monetary and human losses done by terrorism and extremism in the tribal areas.
A 21 pages report revealed that more than $2 billion damages were done by terrorism in tribal areas.
Tribal areas suffered most as compared to other parts of the country. More than 3,000 people were killed in tribal areas during terror activities. Bajaur Agency was the worst hit area where 600 people were killed. The wake of terrorism claimed five hundred lives Kurram Agency, South and North Waziristan. The number of people wounded in terror incident is over 3,000.
According to report, the initial property losses is estimated up to $103 million whereas the losses estimated in economic and social sectors are $119 million and $109 million respectively.
Extremism takes its toll in agriculture sector also in the form of $188 million losses. Internally Displaced Persons (IDPs) expenses estimated $572 million.
The report disclosed that militants are equipped with latest weapons whereas in contrast of this, Khasadar Force have outdated arms insufficient for retaliatory action against militants.
The personnel of Khasadar and Levies getting Rs.3,500 salary per month while militants getting Rs.10,000 to 15,000 per month. The report termed this major inequality as the basic reason of unrest in these areas. The estimated $two billion is needed for reconstruction and rehabilitation of tribal areas, it added.
UN begins Bhutto killing inquiry
History of UN Investigations is quite impressive!
In Rafiq Hariri’s case (coincidentally no saint – turned 1 Billion $ in to 16 Billion $ ) UN managed to miss the Elephant in the room.
“The Assassination of Rafik Hariri: A Biased Investigation | Judicial Colonialism | A former criminal investigator of the GDR, who became a journalist after the reunification of Germany, Jürgen Cain Külbel is the author of a counter-investigation on the assassination of former Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri, which the Voltaire Network presented to the Arab public during a widely covered conference in Damascus, May 7, 2006. In this interview, he discusses the political role of the UN Commission and the unexploited leads pointing to Israeli responsibility. ”
http://www.voltairenet.org/article143460.html
taukeer
Excellent intriguing and thrilling article.
Thanks for sharing it
The Truth Behind The Iraq “Sovereignty” Propaganda
That is the kind of democracy baboons want in Pakistan. Secularism at its best.
Delhi High Court legalizes homosexuality
9 killed in Rawalpindi bomb blast
Muhaterimi Irshad Ahmed Haqqani in his column said following, I am still trying to understand he was being sarcastic or was serious. Lately Can’t understand wat this buzrug is saying.
all i have to say is following
Kasrat-e-aulad ka nus_bandi(vasectomy)hai wahid ilaj
yeh kahan tak hai munasib kia khayal hai aapka?
Hans kar yeh boley molvi sahib, aaey chotey Miyyan?
yeh tajruba hai tumhara yeh tumharey baap ka
Does this means midterm election
Looks like the “Sheer” has had enough! He might be signalling to Moron-in-Chief that enough is enough. He will not concede any more ground.
The problem with NS is that his timing is off by a few months. He should have maintained the momentum after restoration of the judges. But then I might have been calling him impatient.
I dun think he can pull it off, He would need alliance against the coalition currently ruling, He will need ADP members back minus Mullah Diesel lol
I agree to an extent but it depends how soon he moves. Right now PTI is not in a position to have a major impact on the street. I say this as a self confessed PTI sympathizer. JI support will be vital in Karachi / Hyderabad and NWFP. Interior Sindh will vote for Bilawal Zardari and honestly from talking to friends of Sindh ethnic origin they are so set in their ways that they will be the last group to desert ZPP.
Javeed Hashmi will carry southern Punjab. All this talk about Saraiki “maroomi” is hog s*it. In any case he has positioned himself well even on that issue. That leaves Baluchistan. Bhugtti’s son and remnants of PML-Q will fall in line with PML-N.
NS has placated US and Establishment. The question is does NS have the political maturity to pull this off. I have been a skeptic but I think he has learnt alot in his exile. Among other things I think for the first time in his life he read. How do I know? Just listen to him before and after. I also look at the way he has turned a skeptic US establishment around. In addition he was quick on his feet in getting the cases against him quashed in the courts/ To be honest as against popular believe I think he is a better politician then his brother. He has a committed following. I think Shebaz despite all the media hype about being a good administrator is not leadership material.
More on this latter!!!!
I think PTI will surprise us. If IK assertions are right that membership drive will result in votes. Ur analysis abt JI is 100% correect they can easily carry NWFP and if elections fair some seats in Karachi and hyderabad too. PML – Q must come in.
PML-Q is history. Chaudary’s will loose Gujrat seat. My maternal family is from there. Salim Faifullah will win his seat in NWFP. PML-N needs to accommodate some of them and I think they will.
I think PTI could have a strong representation in the cities, but sadly they lack depth towards the rural areas.
WHAT AN ACHIEVEMENT
Here is another GEM
@ taukeer lolgood cartons
Islami Jamhooriya Pakistan — Cheeck the islamic part by our President and FM lol
IT is a*pee*l juice!!
What a prediction by Abid Ullah Jan back in 2006.
Last Chapter of his book Named
FROM BCCI TO ISI
The Saga of Entrapment Continues
ABID ULLAH JAN
“The day is not far away when Pakistan, India and Afghanistan
will be burning in the same flames which have engulfed
Afghanistan and Pakistan’s tribal areas today. The planners of
Operation 9/11 were expert in deceiving the world. However,
they were naïve enough to assume that their actions will have
no side effects other than what they had planned to achieve
their sinister objectives.”
In India best time to catch some sleep – lol
Visit msnbc.com for Breaking News, World News, and News about the Economy
ur army at work doing raah-e-raast – sharam tumko magar nahi aatee now where r farzana bari and yahoodbuoy
A must read irshad haqqani aur oskey chamchey ke munh par tammacha lol
Sorry I am posting the full article the link posted by
Tauqeer.
In case we loose the link we should have this article save on this website.
I read the full article in three sittings…its worth a read.
The Assassination of Rafik Hariri: A Biased Investigation
A former criminal investigator of the GDR, who became a journalist after the reunification of Germany, Jürgen Cain Külbel is the author of a counter-investigation on the assassination of former Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri, which the Voltaire Network presented to the Arab public during a widely covered conference in Damascus, May 7, 2006. In this interview, he discusses the political role of the UN Commission and the unexploited leads pointing to Israeli responsibility.
Silvia Cattori: As an independent journalist working alone, it was quite an undertaking to investigate the assassination of Lebanese former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri while there was an investigation commission which was given enormous investigative means?!
Jürgen Cain Külbel: What use are a set of highly qualified investigators, almost inexhaustible logistical, forensic and other means supporting the examination, if in the examination of the crime, all the usual principles of an investigation are deliberately broken? During the investigation of a criminal offense by unknown parties, the investigators usually follow various scenarios in order to find the leads that will enable them to uncover the perpetrators. In the Hariri case, there should have been multiple parallel directions of investigation, from the start: Mossad, CIA, business partners [of Rafik Hariri] and exiled Lebanese. That never happened. So I was following and pursuing one of those “neglected”, and in my opinion important, paths in particular and did some investigation. That’s how my first work about the Hariri murder began.
Silvia Cattori: How did you come to the decision to tackle such a big subject?
Jürgen Cain Külbel: Let me be frank: Right after the murder I had a bad gut feeling that it was less an investigative setback than that the UN investigators were — and continue to — vehemently follow only the Syrian lead, but above all I had the feeling that it was a premeditated and criminal act, just like the intentional and criminal and, as of today, unpunished act of faking and fabricating “proof” by the Americans and their lackeys – white collar criminals on the highest political level – that legitimized the international attack on Iraq – contrary to international law – in the spring of 2003. In both cases it is my opinion that they were initial deceptions by perpetrators who, although they pretend to represent the United Nations and to be modern harbingers of democracy, while, however, in truth, they only want to be would-be enslavers of our globe or are working towards this goal.
To finally answer your question about the Hariri case: The commission “with the enormous investigative means” seemed to me to be the means of deception, to perpetrate a fraud in the specific case of Hariri as well. It’s like a crime inside the criminal investigation. And that is what still makes hair on my neck stand up.
Silvia Cattori: Did you carry out your inquiry on the spot?
Jürgen Cain Külbel: Yes, but I will discuss that in another book [1]. Let me make a remark about the material evidence the UN commission collected. Now the question arises whether the forensic element (still) has any value at all. What happened to this material during the July war in Lebanon? What did the Belgian Serge Brammertz take with him to Cyprus two days after outbreak of hostilities, when he fled from Israeli bombs? So many hands could have easily compromised it during the bombardment. Nothing of this can be reconstructed any more – it is not serious.
It is also unforgivable to forget the liaison between the impudent John Bolton, U.S. ambassador at the United Nations, and Serge Brammertz! Bolton, who once wanted the clone of Mr. Mehlis as his successor, and got it in Brammertz, has been up to now extremely pleased with the performance of the Belgian. The alarm bells should ring here because Bolton, one of the most important war criminals living, is someone who played a major role in faking the evidence for the Iraq war.
In addition, as can be read in all the reports produced so far, the UN commission couldn’t offer anything that would be useful in convicting the perpetrators. Mr. Mehlis failed miserably last year because he ignored clear warnings and, supported by the US and the United Nations, thought he could somehow force Damascus to its knees for the benefit of Bush and his cohorts. His “work”, one thinks of the rather strange examinations of the witnesses, should only find its place on top of the garbage heap of criminology or as a teaching example in seminars of prospective lawyers or criminologists of what not to do.
Silvia Cattori: On the main points, what conclusions did you reach, and on which points do your conclusions contradict those of Mr Mehlis?
Jürgen Cain Külbel: Generally, my conclusions have nothing in common with the ones of Mr. Mehlis. It is a pity that my book The Hariri Murder Case [2] hasn’t been published in languages other than German and Arabic because this question just keeps popping up. I also never intended to refute the two reports of Mr. Mehlis with my work. Rather I intended to prove the absurdity of the investigations of the UN commission, which – in terms of criminological strategy – lead into a cul de sac, only by proving that there is another important lead that needs to be investigated using all possible means. It is usually out of the question for honorably working investigators to simply and completely ignore such leads as I have followed. But because of this ignorance, one can recognize that the UN commission work is very one-sided, biased so to say. Under normal circumstances, this is poison for an objective criminal investigation; however, it is the elixir of life for devoted “Chief-Investigators” who are only working to satisfy the political interests of their employers. However, that is something that all the Gentlemen concerned –obviously all dead fish that swim in the stream while keeping their mouths shut– servants of the system, have to address to their own consciences, as far as such exists.
Once again I demand the interrogation Richard Pearle or Daniel Pipes, a man who would (at least here in Germany under different circumstances) already be serving a sentence for running a hate campaign, or Abdelnour or Najjar or Kahl or the others who are mentioned in my book and who have skeletons in the closet, who had Hariri on the assassination list, who demanded a coup in Lebanon etc. They had already planned violence theoretically anyway; some had already killed Hariri with words or had put him in the cross hairs. Why it is that none of those daring, self-sacrificing Hero Chief Investigators, working in Lebanon under constant life-threatening conditions, have never even attempted to question any of those characters? At this point, the commission becomes a laughing stock because it prostituted oneself indirectly, whether it wanted to or not.
The respectable media landscape needs to put pressure on the UN commission. I am not talking about details, leads or the content of the interrogations. It is about questioning the objectivity of the investigation that is compromised as the commissioners intentionally close their eyes to important leads. Those responsible, including your President Chirac, can spit beautiful verbal husks as much as they want.
Silvia Cattori: Did you reach the conclusion that Syria was not behind Hariri’s assassination, as Mr Bush asserted?
Jürgen Cain Külbel: Bush’s cohorts knew exactly what they started when they let their Fuehrer in Washington say – over the still warm corpse of Hariri – which the string-pullers of the crime sat in Damascus. The echo came instantly and was Druze’s and anti-Syrian Lebanese. The song that the first commissioner, the Irishman Peter Fitzgerald, then started in March 2005, about the sloppiness of the Lebanese authorities safeguarding the crime scene and the crime examination, was calculated and of an arrogant colonial style. The entire world knew that the Lebanese police, their secret services, lack -compared with our standards- specialized experts, technical equipment, forensic examination methods; as well as the logistics, they also lacked the criminal tactical know-how of how to handle such colossal capital crimes. How could they? Those responsible on the Potomac and in the intelligence services, which had cooked up the assassination of Hariri, precisely calculated that if the Lebanese led the first investigation, that in such a case it was one hundred per cent certain that such carelessness would happen. By the way, those kinds of mistakes and sloppiness are no rarity in criminal police investigations worldwide. And in this particular case, the assassination of Hariri, the “mistakes and sloppiness” where supposed to be used as a pretext to direct initial suspicions towards a Lebanese-Syrian conspiracy.
The fiction was first fed by the Middle East correspondent Robert Fisk, who drew an incorrect picture even before the publication of the Fitzgerald report in the British daily The Independent, affirming that the investigators were convinced that proof has been covered up “in the highest ranks” of the secret services, and that the UN report will be “devastating”. Fisk didn’t mention any sources, but nevertheless he predicted that U.S. president George W. Bush would soon declare that “Syrian and perhaps Lebanese officers of the army secret service” have been involved in the murder. At that time, the White House denied it, which however should be seen as hypocrisy.
Silvia Cattori: But what were the objectives of those who killed Mr Hariri?
Jürgen Cain Külbel: A ghost roams this blue marble. Within the global restoration of the relations that previously existed – before this world was divided into communist and capitalist camps – and propelled by the geo-strategic and economic interests of capital, the exponents of the western forms of power, mistakenly described as democracies, are now reaching for the cheap version of the coup d’état, the “democratic revolution”, when bringing down unfavorable governments.
In 2003 when the emperors from the other side of the Atlantic started the war against Iraq together with their Anglo-Saxon paladins, the war criminals soon noticed that they had overstretched themselves: Iraq’s pacification didn’t happen, the domino effect to liquidate pan-Arabism by toppling other autocracies and dictatorships alongside, which would have led to the balkanization of an Arabia that would have been more easily controllable, exploitable, and would then have permitted Israel to have hegemony, didn’t happen as well.
Exasperated the younger Bush reached into the political hamster box of potential cadre and dragged out the ice cold Afro-American Condoleeza Rice, making her the Secretary of State. Since then Rice supports and finances “resistance movements” openly or in secret – like war profiteer U.S. second-in-command Dick Cheney or Donald Rumsfeld, commander-in-chief of the U.S. terror force, servant of “Big Oil” – in the former states of the Soviet Union and the Middle East, to force America-friendly regime changes. Support is also flowing into regions that are located in strategic proximity to planned pipeline routes.
Financial and logistical help is also given by the Freedom House, led by the CIA’s ex-director James Woolsey, the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), the Open Society Institute of George Soros, one of the richest parasites in the world, the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) (NED) and also Tony Blair’s government.
Since the arrival of Rice, the world audience has been able to “enjoy” itself on some short-lived, “democratic”, fruit and vegetable revolutions: Oranges in the Ukraine, velvet in Georgia, tulips in Kyrgyzstan, and in spring of 2005, the Cedar revolt, unleashed after the assassination of Lebanon’s former prime minister Rafik Hariri. This one was spear headed by the Druze king Walid Jumblat, mass-murderer in the Lebanese civil war.
Silvia Cattori: Wasn’t Hariri about to reach the end of his mandate?
Jürgen Cain Külbel: Who cares, a figurehead of public and political life had to be slaughtered to attract the audience, to stir up the rage of the Lebanese soul. A dead Hariri, a massacred Mister Lebanon who ran the State like his personal property, was made to order to unleash the cedar revolution – a term from the neo-conservative storage room.
Silvia Cattori: Did you have any contact with the Mehlis Commission at the time of your inquiries?
Jürgen Cain Külbel: I regarded this as nonsensical because I had a completely different lead. Once you have forced yourself through hundreds of files, read the ten of thousands of pages that passed through the German’s hands, (Mehlis) you have the impression that Justice herself tears the bandage off of her eyes and wants to smash your skull with the scale. So one doesn’t expect to achieve anything with a contact. Nevertheless, I sought to contact Mr Mehlis on one specific point. It was about the jammers that were installed in Hariri’s car convoy and that were, according to anonymous sources, Israeli built. He referred to his pledge of secrecy at that time and forwarded my enquiry to Brammertz. But as soon as the German version of “The Hariri Murder Case” was on the market, he surprisingly broke his “oath of secrecy” -whether in agreement with Brammertz or as a private person is beyond my knowledge. He informed the Lebanese Daily Star on April 21, 2006: “The assertions made in the book, like the one that the system of the jammers used by Hariri was from an Israeli company, are completely wrongly and simply ridiculous. I and some members of the UN commission have scrutinized the matter, and the system which was used by Hariri was imported from a Western European country.” Well, imported doesn’t at all mean produced. That leads back to the key question that Gil Israeli, a former member of the secret service and chief of the Israeli company that built the jammers, never answered: “Are you saying that you cannot exclude the possibility that Hariri could have obtained a jammer, produced by your company, through detours?” Perhaps through a European dummy firm, by which, in “certain cases” and for “special customers”, the severe export regulations of the Israeli Ministry of Defense can be circumvented.
Be that as it may, one day after the statement by Mr Mehlis, I asked him in writing for clarification and precisions to resolve this discrepancy in the Arabian translation of the book. But by this point he had already sunken back into his sleep of Sleeping Beauty. An answer never came.
Silvia Cattori: On the whole, had there not been witnesses who withdrew their charges, Mr Bush would have had the pretext necessary for immediately implementing his projects for destabilizing Syria?
Jürgen Cain Külbel Sure. After Lebanon Bush clearly had the domino effect in mind and thought that Syria will become easy prey as well. A suitable man, a kind of Chalabi for Syria, was already on stand by: the US-based “Syrian Opposition Leader” Farid Ghadry. The Aleppo born businessman and president of the Reformation Party of Syria (RPS), founded quickly after September 11, is completely unknown to Syrians. At age eight he immigrated with his parents to Lebanon, later to the USA, where he studied economics and marketing, worked for the military industry and became wealthy. After September 11, 2001, he saw the time had come to help his far off homeland “with economic and political reforms in order to obtain democracy, prosperity and freedom”. That is why he joined the US-Committee on the Present Danger, with members like Newt Gingrich and the former CIA boss James Woolsey. Under the influence of the events in Lebanon, Ghadry wrote in a newspaper article in February 2005, “Democracy (in Syria) will remain an illusionary dream as long as the USA government is unwilling to publicly support and decently finance the reforms. A White House meeting with a democratic Syrian leader could send a clear message towards Damascus that changes are on their way.”
By the end of March his prayers had already been answered by Elizabeth Cheney, daughter of the vice president and the person responsible for Near East affairs at the State Department. Together with Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, she at once installed the “Middle East Partnership initiative” (MEPI), which under the mask of “economic, political and educational reforms” contributes monies to opposition forces in the Arabian world. In 2003 alone, 100 million dollars flowed. The 36-year old hardliner led an “unofficial” meeting in Washington, where Farid Ghadry took part with his “Syrian opposition”. Ghadry’s crew, all US-based dissidents and united back then under the umbrella organization the “Syrian Democratic Coalition” (SDC), discussed with officials from the vice president’s office, the Pentagon and the National Security Council, how the “regime in Damascus could be weakened” and how to “prove criminal conduct by Syrian officials”. After the talks, Ghadry, who was pushing for the US president to lean on Damascus personally, summed it up by saying that the call for democracy in Syria “is being taken very seriously at the highest level of the Bush administration”. He was going to “work closely with the US administration and the EU” from his end so that “Syria’s oppressive Baath-regime” could be toppled. However, Ghadry, who was closely cooperating with Abdelnour, disappeared from the scene after he lied to the European Parliament and was dispossessed by his own party for “dubious conduct”.
Everybody thought he was out of business, but then he popped up again. Between June 16 and 18, 2006, the Beaver Creek (Colorado) World Forum of the neo-conservative American Enterprise Institute (AEI) took place. As is commonly known, this was supposedly where the American-Israeli air strike on Iran was planned. Moreover, Cheney gave the green light to Israel’s former Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, who was present there, for the latest war of aggression against Lebanon. Included among the 64 members of the AEI conference were Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld and other members of the Bush administration. And at this conference Cheney also met with Farid Ghadry. That’s certainly not a good sign.
Silvia Cattori: What role did Saad Hariri, Rafik’s son, play in the development of that inquiry? Was he not on the side of those Lebanese who forced members of the secret services to charge Syria?
Jürgen Cain Külbel: Let me just say this: Suleiman Franjieh, boss of the Lebanese Marada party, explained during an interview on television at the beginning of July 2006 that, when he was Secretary of the Interior, pressure had been exerted on him to say that the bomb which killed Hariri had been placed underground so that Hariri’s family could collect the insurance money. Hariri junior sued Franjieh for slander.
Silvia Cattori: What about the position of the socialist Mr Walid Jumblat and of Mr Marwan Hamadeh?
Jürgen Cain Külbel: I don’t want to talk about Jumblat, I am not a psychiatrist. Whether or not Hamadeh has thought about the possibility that he could have been a kind of test balloon for the Hariri murder? He wasn’t a suitable victim to provoke the kind of public dissent that one can then channel in a certain direction. But at least for Tel Aviv he was as an expendable living person. As Immigration Minister he once declared – when Elie Hobeika was the victim of a car bomb: “It is clear that Israel does not want to have witnesses during the historic trial in Belgium where Ariel Sharon will surely be sentenced for the massacres in the Palestine refugee camps in Sabra and Chatila. We already suffered under the crimes of Sharon in Beirut, and Palestine goes through the same today at his hand.” Strong words towards Israel. Hamadeh also felt victim to a car bomb in Beirut on October 1, 2004. He survived, but his driver died.
Silvia Cattori: What about the generals who have been arrested as a result of the Mr Mehlis inquiry?
Jürgen Cain Külbel: Where are the human right organizations? Mr Brammertz drops from his report Mehlis’ summary that Hariri’s killing couldn’t have happened without the knowledge of high-profile Syrian and Lebanese secret service agents. While Mehlis was pulling “proofs” out of his hat, Brammertz displays an unusual “secretive” style and sells as new what we already know. He talks about a “highly complex terrorist action” and says that the participants acted “very professionally”, and that the crime was “planned with a high probability of success and was executed with a high level of individual and collective self-discipline”. “At least some of the participants must have had experience in such terrorist acts.”
Jumblat reassured us that everything was as usual: “Brammertz follows the work of Mehlis. The fact that the report (…) sees a connection between all the explosions which took place before and after the murder of Hariri is a clear accusation against the Syrian regime (…) that ruled Lebanon at the time of Hariri’s murder”, a “silent condemnation of the Syrian regime” so to speak, because – according to Jumblat – “Brammertz is handling things very professionally”. The future will show what’s being cooked up behind the scenes. Anyway, Brammertz didn’t have any objections to the further detention of the four high-profile Lebanese security chiefs, taken into custody in the summer of last year on the suggestion of Mehlis, even though the evidential case against the gentlemen totally fell apart in December. On the contrary, Lebanon is preparing for a tribunal together with the UN. It is naïve to think that Brammertz could steer a course on his own or even a “Syria friendly” one. The European “service axis” alone instructs against it: Carla del Ponte, chief prosecutor against Milosevic, in the spring of 2005 suggested her brother of Hearts, Detlev Mehlis, for the position of chief investigator. He in turn recommends in December 2005 his friend Serge Brammertz as his successor. I mean, one doesn’t bite the hand that feeds you! It stills remains questionable if Syrian representative Mohammad Habash, who rejoiced that the Brammertz report “is bad news for the enemies of Syria”, will be proved correct. The hyenas have grabbed onto Bush’s perpetrator of choice, and they will not let go. Naji Boustani, one of the defense lawyers, said to me: “For months, every 10 days, I have been punctually addressing the examining magistrate, who followed Mehlis’ recommendation to lock up the four. He does not react. Our legal system does not provide for opposing any orders given by the examining magistrate. Mehlis knew that too. Once locked up, you stay locked up as long as it pleases the examining magistrate.”
Silvia Cattori: In your opinion, what did the suicide of the Syrian interior minister mean?
Jürgen Cain Külbel: Apparently blackmail. The USA had frozen Ghazi Kanaan’s accounts in the summer of 2005. They croaked that he was involved in illegal business in Lebanon. Kanaan once had close ties to Hariri, even financial. Not only had the Lebanese media increased the psychological pressure on him after the venture of the Americans, he was considered as a “corrupt drug lord”. Then there was the talk about Mehlis questioning him. Let’s put it this way: Someone shows up, drops documents on the table without saying a word that indicate that you repeatedly took money from the victim, and then disappears for the time being. I don’t want to say more; rather let speak Walid Jumblat, that political chameleon of Lebanon, when he for once forgot to lie as he breathes: “If his pride would have suffered, due to the expectation of the UN report regarding the Hariri assassination, then that [the suicide] would have been a brave act of a brave man.”
Silvia Cattori: Mr Mehlis was quickly accused of having no professional ability to conduct such a sensitive investigation and of having relied on corrupt Lebanese politicians and on Israeli sources. Do you confirm that?
Jürgen Cain Külbel: Some in Germany, who pretend to know Mr Mehlis or his methods of work, claim that he is technically incompetent, and, let’s say it in jargon, dimwitted. This was also the international opinion in December 2005. I don’t have that impression. Rather Mr Mehlis has, using the analogy of a criminal that develops his signature as to how commit the crime, developed his own prosecutorial style which runs provably through his practice like a red thread. That this style is not in sync with our ideas of righteousness and morals is a different story. I always compare this with a highly specialized top-class athlete. The “specialist” Mr Mehlis has apparently such performance features or “qualities” that permit others to describe to him a perpetrator of their choice whom he is then able to fabricate. This answers the second part of your question, as he is clearly forced to utilize such corrupt elements as you are referring to.
But let me make one remark about Israel: Ibrahim Gambari, Under Secretary General for Political Affairs at the UN, actually said at the end of August 2005 that Mr Mehlis had created “a good working relationship with Israel and Jordan”, not, however, with Syria. A real joke, given all those Mossad networks exposed this year in Lebanon, which for years had spread car bombings, murder, and terror. But nobody at the United Nations cares about this in the context of the Hariri matter. One has to ask oneself: what is this lot with headquarters in New York good for, anyway?
Silvia Cattori: From that, can we draw the conclusion that the commission of inquiry entrusted to Mr Mehlis was nothing but a tool in the hands of the neocons who wanted the assassination to be attributed to Syria?
Jürgen Cain Külbel: Of course! Let’s take for example Serge Brammertz, John Bolton’s shyster lawyer. Even if the Belgian has so far avoided blaming Damascus for the murder, as those in Washington would like to have it, and has stressed that “the future cooperation of the Syrians is decisive for the examination”, the notoriously loutish Bolton was forced to translate this as follows: “Brammertz has made it clear, albeit diplomatically, that Syria still isn’t cooperating fully.” Which means one needs to “increase the pressure on the Syrians”, possibly through a “new resolution of the UN security council”.
At first glace it seems as if the Belgian is ironing out the sloppiness and manipulations that Mehlis left behind. Fifteen months after the assassination, he now thinks Hariri was killed by an underground and an aboveground explosion. That’s what witnesses say already. Mr Mehlis refused it because it didn’t fit in his conspiracy fabrication against the Syrians. He favored the aboveground bomb blast caused by a Mitsubishi Cancer loaded with 1000 kg of explosive. He attributed this to the Syrians, conjured various spirits out of the bottle, which he called witnesses, among them. Brammertz does not mention those “witnesses” anymore, obviously because they made their “testimony” under threat of torture or after bribery and have already taken them back. But he doesn’t remove the amateurish material of the German investigator because, due to suspect testimony, there are still the aforementioned four Lebanese ex-security officers in solitary confinement whom Mr Mehlis had attributed with the deed of collaboration with Syrian secret services.
These four men have a hard life because Bolton knows that “independent of the apparent differences, Brammertz is basing his investigation on the conclusions of his predecessor. It is clear; he will go in the same direction.” Brammertz wants to lead the tribunal in Cyprus in 2007 himself; the evaluation of the “statements” of those “crown witnesses”, which Mr Mehlis created, is then incumbent upon him and his judges. The German did the dirty work with much noise and press, which got him, besides snide remarks, the German Medal of Honor as well, and he then slipped dutifully away as the “bad cop” so that friend Brammertz could slip into the role of the good one: A playing of roles worthy of a dime novel and suitable for the neocons.
Silvia Cattori: Did Mr Mehlis used to work, as it was said, in research centers of the intelligence services in the United States?
Jürgen Cain Külbel: During the “La Belle” case, he was over there in 1996 to get something. Or on ski trips with members of the CIA, high up in Aspen, Colorado? Mehlis is obviously the tool of the secret services. Without them he might not or he could not botch up within these sensitive areas of dirty policy. That is as safe as the Amen in the church. Do you believe the great powers are so foolish as to waste their time with “honest” examiners, driven by a naive urge for the truth?
Back to his connections to Israeli Secret service: Mehlis started his “work” with UNIIIC (the Hariri commission) in May 2005. A few weeks later, on 20 July, the French newspaper Le Figaro asked him: “Why have you asked for assistance from Israel and Jordan?” Mehlis answered: “It is known that the Israelis possess good security equipment, especially technological. We have asked them to give us data related to the assassination. They gave us good information.”
Later, in his first report on October 19, 2005, he said in the preface, paragraph 19: “… it is to be regretted that no Member State did relay such useful information to the Commission”. Mehlis does not tell the truth. Even the Israeli press wrote that Israeli intelligence agents had met with his team in Europe.
Of course, none of them considers the idea of examining whether or not Mossad could be the wirepuller behind Hariri’s murder. It doesn’t belong to the order placed by their employers. They have to fulfil only the one demand: send Syria to the pillory. They are classical robots, who themselves create the civil system: one adapted, to get ahead, to down-and-dirty minds behind their clean masks, bitches of the system, which, as I always like to say, can be made amenable to all kinds of obscenities. Heinrich Mann, a German writer and the brother of the famous Thomas Mann, had already described this type of human in 1914 and inexorably in his successful novel The Subject. Today his statements no longer apply only to Germans.
Silvia Cattori: In your opinion, is Mr Serge Brammertz better?
Jürgen Cain Külbel: Brammertz has obviously bluffed the world public with his first and second “technical reports”. It is said that in the last weeks he has “reheated” one of Mehlis’ “chief witnesses”: Mohammad Zuheir Siddiq.
Siddiq told Al Arabiyya on Saturday, September 9, 2006 that the “Syrian President Bashar Assad and his Lebanese counterpart Emile Lahoud gave orders to eliminate former Premier Rafik Hariri” and added that the “assassins are currently in prison and the rest are in Syria.” He means the four Lebanese former security chiefs who have been detained for more than one year on the basis of his “declaration” and on the recommendation of Mehlis. They are the former head of the General Security, Brigadier General Jamil Sayyed; the former head of the Army Intelligence, General Raymond Azar; the former head of the Presidential Guards, Brigadier Mustafa Hamdan; and the former head of the General Internal Security Forces, Ali Hajj. But the German political news-magazine Der Spiegel had already revealed on October 22, 2005 that Siddiq was a dubious person with a criminal record as a convicted felon and swindler. The alleged former officer of the Syrian secret services had in reality been convicted more than once for penal offences related to money subtraction. The magazine reported that the UN investigating Commission was well aware that it had been lied to by Siddiq, who at first had affirmed that he had left Beirut one month before the assault on Hariri, but then had to admit at the end of September 2005 his direct involvement in the implementation of the crime.
Siddiq declared to Mehlis that he had put his apartment in Beirut at the disposition of the conspirators to kill Hariri, among them the imprisoned Syrian intelligence officials. About himself, he declared that he had gathered intelligence for the Syrian services regarding Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon. But weeks before the Syrian government had sent documentation about Siddiq to various Western governments, hoping that Mehlis would not get caught in the trap of a notorious impostor.
Later it became quite evident that Siddiq had received money for his depositions, considering that his siblings revealed that they had received a phone call from him from Paris, late in the summer, in which Siddiq announced “I have become a millionaire”. Doubts regarding the credibility of the man were further fuelled by the revelation that Siddiq had been recommended to Mehlis by the long-term Syrian renegade Rifaat al-Assad, an uncle of the Syrian President who more than once offered himself as “alternative President of Syria”.
Lebanon issued an arrest warrant against Siddiq, who was later named as a suspect by the UN probe investigating the case, but the French authorities refused to extradite Siddiq as capital punishment is still legal in Lebanon.
None of the four chiefs have faced formal accusations from the judiciary, and none of them have been confronted by Siddiq, as the law requires.
On Saturday, September 9, 2006 Siddiq repeated his allegations from Paris: “I saw the car [suspected of carrying the explosives] while it was being prepared in the Zabadani Syrian intelligence camp in the Bekaa, and I gave the former head of the UN probe investigating the case irrevocable pictures and documents, and I have the negatives with me, and there are many things that will be revealed later.”
This time Siddiq said the Syrian intelligence services had tried to “lure me back to Syria by offering large sums of money and the title of a local hero,” if he revoked the accusations he made. He claimed he has a “tape of a high-ranking Syrian officer” who asked [him] last month to accuse some of the March 14 Forces’ leaders of prompting him to accuse Syria of assassinating Hariri.
Normally, magistrates and prosecutors with a healthy mind know that this kind of witness obviously has problems with his affections, and they should ask the question: Who created this super-witness? But I’m sure that they will not ask this question and that Brammertz loves this Siddiq.
Silvia Cattori: So isn’t it disturbing that Mr Kofi Annan appointed this kind of persons to such a high assignment?
Jürgen Cain Külbel: Kofi Annan is the third black person I do not want to cross paths with, right after O. J. Simpson and Condoleezza Rice.
Silvia Cattori: Was it innocent that Mme Carla del Ponte, the attorney who plays the same role as Mr Mehlis in the TPI (the tribunal that Mr Jacques Vergès considers as an illegal institution), recommended Mr Mehlis for that inquiry?
Jürgen Cain Külbel: All of them are cut from the same cloth. Carla del Ponte or Carlita “La pesta” recommended Mr Mehlis for the position, and Mr Mehlis afterward, as his successor, recommended the friend Brammertz.
Silvia Cattori: Had not Mr Mehlis already created a scandal for having concluded Libya was responsible for the bombing of the “La Belle” discotheque in Berlin in 1986, an accusation that allowed the United States to bomb Tripoli and Benghazi and to isolate Libya?
Jürgen Cain Külbel: Mehlis did indeed lead the “La Belle” investigation. As a side note: Oddly enough the first thought that the Libyans could be behind this came from the target himself, the owner of the West Berlin discotheque “La Belle”, which was mostly visited by black U.S. soldiers, and where a young female Turk and two GI’s got ripped apart by a bomb and about two hundred guests got injured, some of them gravely. He said on April 6th, 1986, one day after the attack: “One hears so much about terrorist attacks lately with Ghaddafi as the manipulator and I feared that one day my discotheque could possibly be the target of such an attack.” How far this man was involved in the drug dealing trade or how much he was tangled up in the arms dealing business, as some witnesses claimed, and therefore could become the pinball for certain services, was never investigated.
The whole affair is full of malice, trickery, and intrigue, and is spun from the thread a typically bourgeois civil servant needs so that he can knit together some charges for the benefit of his employers. I will report on this extensively in my up-coming book, as I researched the case and the files in great detail.
Silvia Cattori: Radio messages sent by Mossad to frame Libya for the attack also played a role in the “La Belle” case. How the investigator and chief prosecutor Mehlis did handled this “game-material”, which can hardly be called evidence?
Jürgen Cain Külbel: Immediately following the attack it was certain for the US president at the time, Ronald Reagan, that Libyan president Muammar Al Ghaddafi had staged the attack. A scapegoat radio message intercepted by the U.S. intelligence agency NSA, allegedly from the People’s Office of Libya [the embassy] in Berlin, capital of the DDR, had to serve as proof. It said: “At 1:30 am an operation was successfully executed, leaving no trace, the People’s Office, Berlin”.
In the Lockerbie trial, the former colonel of the Israeli secret service, Victor Ostrovsky, testified under oath that Special Forces of Mossad had installed a Trojan horse in Tripoli at that time, a transmitter sending fake messages about the success of the Berlin bomb. According to Ostrovsky the intercepted broadcast had been made up by Mossad.
Silvia Cattori: What do you know about these alleged radio messages?
Jürgen Cain Külbel: Well, Mr Mehlis had consulted the German Federal Intelligence Agency (BND) in Pullach near Munich. Mr Mehlis knew about the messages and insisted on having them as evidence. Then on October 4, 1996, a meeting took place between Mr Mehlis and employees of the “Technical Acquisition” department of the BDN who promised to him to look into his request. A few days later, on October 8, 1996, he received a letter from the BND which contained the contents of the suspicious radio messages.
To be precise, it was about five alleged telex (radio teletype) communications, supposedly exchanged between Tripoli and the People’s Office of Libya in East Berlin in the time period between March 25th and April 5th 1986, and the BND got this information, as the gentlemen suggest, in the context of some foreign reconnaissance. The service explained that the messages at that time were picked up in encoded form by some “friendly service”, with great probability American, and were forwarded to the BND. This service wanted to remain secret and told the BND that under those conditions of anonymity they authorized the intercepted reports to be put at the disposal of the German prosecuting attorney’s office and of the court.
Two years later on October 6, 1998, when the BND provided official testimony for the court about the reports, it pointed out as a given that material exchanged in this way may be subjected to manipulation, although the BND had no indication to that effect in this particular case.
The German intelligence service claimed that they decoded the reports and then translated them from the original Arabic into German. And this is where it gets hot: The German Secret Service pointed out to the courts in writing that the original encoded version is no longer available with the BND; the same applies for the original text in Arabic. Both are not unusual, according to the gentlemen in Pullach, the head office of the German intelligence service, because it is in keeping with the procedures for working with such reports, where after the message is decoded and translated, that version supplants the “original.”
Not only are these radio messages – I don’t want them quote them one by one – the brain child of Mossad, as Ostrovsky testified under oath, no, quite obviously they even found a dubious way to enter the German courtrooms.
I mea, this is nothing but an intrigue of the cheapest type, and so transparent that people with healthy intellects tear out their hair at such kinds of manipulations.
Silvia Cattori: For having already covered up an action of Mossad in the Berlin case, can we draw the conclusion that Mr Mehlis was the man of Israel and of the United States?
Jürgen Cain Külbel: Because of the above, I would agree for the most part with the analysis of the London political scientist Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed: “As a Berlin public prosecutor, Mehlis inadvertently but consistently hushed up the dubious interests the U.S., Israeli and German secret services in the terrorist attack of 1986, actively designed suspicious facts which were selective and politically motivated against the suspects, without any objective material body of evidence, while at the same time he ignored and protected a group of suspects with documented connections to western secret services.”
Silvia Cattori: Mr Brammertz asked for a one-year extension of the inquiry. Does that make sense?
Jürgen Cain Külbel: Indeed, somehow the agents of the UN Inquisition are running out of steam, i.e. the evidence against Damascus and the four Lebanese former safety officers taken into custody, is as solid as a sock full of holes, although for their customers, the US administration, this seems to be good enough to keep the accusations against Syria on the fire – at least for one more year. One suspects that Bush has plans for some more warlike imperial projects during his second term.
Silvia Cattori: Is the “March 14 Movement” financed by the United States?
Jürgen Cain Külbel: You mean that lousy troop who stands in the service of murder-America since the cedar revolution?
Silvia Cattori: Does it serve the objectives of Mr Ziad Abdelnour, the man Tel Aviv and Washington are relying on to put into place a regime favorable to them? In your book you mention Ziad K. Abdelnour, president of the United States Committee for a Free Lebanon, as a person who plays a prominent role promoting Bush administration plans!
Jürgen Cain Külbel: He is still one of the busiest armchair culprits, not letting any chance for propaganda and agitation to denounce Syria and the status quo in Lebanon pass by. He got it into his head to impose classical capitalist conditions upon Arabia. But I don’t think he will play any significant political role after the release of my book. However, it goes without saying that his economic interests and those of his clients will be satisfied by a puppet regime. After all, that is the real aim of Wall Street. An un-proselytized Arab country is simply an economic loss for people of his ilk. For example, between June 5th and 7th, 2006 in the Madinat Jumeirah Hotel in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates, he debated on the topic of “Venture Capital Investing” in the Arabian region. Abdelnour was talking in his capacity as president & CEO of Blackhawk Partners, LLC, USA in front of some heavyweight buddies from big corporate groups and banks from Europe, the USA and the Near and Middle East, as well as in front of representatives of the International Monetary Fond.
Silvia Cattori: Did the destabilization of Lebanon favor the candidates financed by Israel and the United States, like Mr Nagi N. Najjar, a kind of Mr Chalabi Jr?
Jürgen Cain Külbel: No self-respecting Lebanese would put up with this longtime Israeli collaborator Najjar, even as a shoe salesman. This type of immoral person, the servant of two masters, only exists in the gray area between politics and the secret services; that is where they play their game – bringing themselves in – as aforementioned collaborators and string-pullers. The role of these “strategists” requires some more comprehensive investigation than I have done so far. At the end of February, Etienne Sakr, leader of the Guardians of the Cedars, a civil war militia organized on a fascist model, assembled a delegation of “Lebanese dissidents in exile” and members of the British parliament to discuss the “situation” in Lebanon and Syria. Najjar was, of course, one of the party. The exiles, who are under threat of prosecution in Lebanon because they collaborated with Israel during the civil war, called for the right to return and to take part in the political process in order to declare war on Islamic fundamentalism. Moreover, they criticized Beirut for not disarming Hizbullah. Sakr, sentenced to death in Lebanon, demanded that London and Washington should increase pressure on the government in Damascus, which is a trouble spot in the region because of its “support” of terror and Hizbullah. At the Officers Club in London both sides agreed to keep an eye on the matter and to coordinate with the French.
At almost the same time, on March 17th, as chance would have it, fourteen Syrian politicians in exile also met in Brussels and explained that “Syria also needs to be liberated from the autocratic regime that has weakened the country.” The opposition groups of Liberals, Communists, Kurds, and the Muslim Brotherhood plan, through a regime change, to disable the constitution, install a provisional government, organize elections, and then lift the crisis.
“One of our greatest challenges is to tear down the wall of the fear”, said Najib Ghadbian of the Syrian National Council, an umbrella organization of opposition groups in the USA. Moreover, Ghadbian, professor at the University of Arkansas, is a leading member of the Washington Center for the Study of Islam & Democracy (CSID), a dissident organization that cooperates closely with Cheney and Rice’s USAID. They are cooking up the “New Middle East” of the kind worshipped by tough-as-nails Rice.
Silvia Cattori: Does the arrest, in June 2006, of people belonging to a Mossad network in South Lebanon have any link with the Hariri case?
Jürgen Cain Külbel: On June 26th, I sent an open letter to Kofi Annan and Serge Brammertz, which also got published in certain Arabian dailies. In it I invited them not to waste any time to expand the investigation of the Hariri murder case in the direction of other suspects, including “Israel and Mossad” and their collaborators. Because such crimes by Mossad abroad, as in the recent case of Majzoub, are done exclusively with the authorization of the Israeli prime minister, I suggested to Annan to authorize the UNIIIC immediately, and if necessary by resolution of the UN security council, to interrogate the people responsible within the Israeli government, starting with prime minister Ehud Olmert and Mossad boss Meir Dagan. Because, as the investigations of the Lebanese army demonstrated, Israel possesses a vast experience and sophisticated know-how in the criminal and cowardly technique of car bombings. Moreover, under Serge Brammertz supported by his hard-working investigators, the UNIIIC has the unique chance to penetrate a terror structure operating logistically and technically on the highest levels, and thus has the possibility – if only to get a better understanding or for comparison purposes – of getting an answer for the many open questions raised by the investigation; including with what high tech means the attack on Hariri was undertaken.
Silvia Cattori: All impartial analysts agree that France is responsible for the disaster Lebanon is undergoing through her support for resolution 1559, beginning in 2004. Do you understand why France moved to a position that could only jeopardize her in the eyes of the Arab world?
Jürgen Cain Külbel: Of course France belongs to the main culprits of the catastrophe that has struck Lebanon since the murder of Hariri. Jacques Chirac isn’t just a hanger-on to the wheeling’s and dealings of the U.S. in the Levant, he has even tried actively to convince Bush to give today’s France a free hand in the areas of former French colonial influence. The text of UN resolution 1559, which asked for the withdrawal of Syrian troops from Lebanon, was designed by an adviser of the Elysée together with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. Neither UN Secretary General Kofi Annan nor the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs were informed about it. Events afterwards indicate that Chirac, Bush and Sharon had come to an agreement as to the distribution of roles in the conspiracy to topple Syria’s president Assad and to wipe out the Baath party.
Silvia Cattori: Do you think that this region is in the middle of a long war? Is Israeli carrying out this war to destroy not only Hizbullah, but also the people of these countries?
Jürgen Cain Külbel: For the time being, Israel has taken the community of nation’s hostage. The “democratic” royal courts in Europe and elsewhere are sending 15,000 of their young natives to the Holy Land with a “robust mandate” to provide for the safety of the Jewish state. Of course, the taxpayers of the respective countries will pick up the bill. Therefore, there is zero risk and no financial burden for Israel. For the corpses brought back, there are trumpet calls and 21 gun salutes. The courts’ cashiers usually show themselves quite generous in this department, as it doesn’t require much. However only the cuckoo from Kentucky knows whether this “robust mandate” will lend itself for preparations of an Israeli or American attack against Iran. It might be possible that the UN blue helmets will have to provide rear cover for part of the Arabic East at the exact moment when the imperial and Israel air-fighters attack Teheran. The USA has cooked the UN over the last years down to the size of a shrunken head incapable of acting and has threatened to toast it with financial dehydration if it doesn’t obey the emperors on the Potomac. Why shouldn’t the Americans now fry up military forces meant for peace missions for fighting purposes and for the welfare of the Bush and Cheney clique?
Silvia Cattori: Mossad or the CIA must consider you an enemy and have surveillance on all your exchanges and contacts. Aren’t you afraid that they might try to brutally silence you?
Jürgen Cain Külbel: It did cross my mind. While Mehlis was working on matters, people regularly died as well; either by accidents or depression. It’s the subject of my next book.
“Khadim-e-Aala”‘s good governance!!!
What a terrible performance by our unpredictable cricket team in their second inn. They couldn’t score 168 to win an obviously easy game
lol i know man i am passed point of getting pissed off i just laugh now lol
Yeh watan tumhara hai tum hai paasbaan iskey
SC suspends carbon tax on petroleum products
ISLAMABAD: The Supreme Court of Pakistan has given interim verdict to suspend the enforcement of the carbon surcharge tax, Geo News reported Tuesday.
The bench headed by Chief Justice of Pakistan Iftikhar Muhammed Chaudhry heard the petitions filed against the raise in petroleum prices.
In case, the carbon tax is withdrawn on petroleum products, the petrol price is expected to come down by Rs10/lit and diesel price to lower by Rs8/lit and the kerosene oil to come down by Rs6/lit.
The apex court directed Oil and Gas Regulatory Authority (OGRA) to issue notification regarding suspending the carbon tax on petroleum products.
Talking to media, Senior Counsel Akram Chaudhry said that the higher judiciary cancelled the notification issued on June 30 and directed to stop charging the carbon tax until the Court concludes hearing.
Attorney General of Pakistan Lateef Khosa, Secretary Petroleum and representative of OGRA attended the hearing.
Commenting on the verdict, Adviser on Petroleum Dr Asim Hussain said the price of petroleum products will return to pre July 1 level, adding the ministry of petroleum respects the verdict of higher judiciary.
Egypt mourns ‘headscarf martyr’
Demonstration in Cairo proclaiming Marwa Sherbini the Hijab Martyr
Marwa Sherbini is being hailed as the shahida, or martyr, of the Hijab
The body of a Muslim woman, killed in a German courtroom by a man convicted of insulting her religion, has been taken back to her native Egypt for burial.
Dr. Marwa Sherbini was three-months pregnant when she was murdered in court by her molester. Her murder has sparked off angry protests around the Muslim world.
Dr. Marwa Sherbini, 31, was stabbed 18 times by Axel W, who is now under arrest in Dresden for suspected murder.
Husband Elwi Okaz is also in a critical condition in hospital, after being injured as he tried to save his wife.
Ms Sherbini had sued her killer after he called her a “terrorist” because of her headscarf.
The case has attracted much attention in Egypt and the Muslim world.
German prosecutors have said the 28-year-old attacker, identified only as Axel W, was driven by a deep hatred of foreigners and Muslims.
‘Martyr’
Medics were unable to save Ms Sherbini who was three months pregnant with her second child. Her three-year-old son was with the family in court when she was killed.
Egypt funeral for stabbing victim
Egyptian woman killed in a knife attack in a Dresden courtroom is laid
Axel W and Ms Sherbini and family were in court for his appeal against a fine of 750 euros ($1,050) for insulting her in 2008, apparently because she was wearing the Muslim headscarf or Hijab.
Newspapers in Egypt have expressed outrage at the case, asking how it was allowed to happen and dubbing Ms Sherbini “the martyr of the Hijab”.
Senior Egyptian officials and German diplomatic staff attended the funeral in Alexandria along with hundreds of mourners.
Media reports say Mr Okaz was injured both by the attacker and when a policeman opened fire in the courtroom.
http://intermultira cialissues. suite101. com/article. cfm/killing_ of_pregnant_ muslim_woman_ in_german_ court#ixzz0KVKCI aS3&D
“People are looking for victims and Muslims are sometimes seen as a viable option”
Sulaiman Wilms,
European Muslim Union
For eight long minutes, the 28-year old German man of Russian origins continued to stab Marwa Sherbini. For eight long minutes, she suffered the stabs in full view of the panel of judges inside the Dresden courtroom. When the German police finally arrived on the scene, they shot her husband who was desperately trying to save her. The image of middle-easterners as potential terrorists, an image propagated by the media for years now, led them to the wrong conclusion that Elwy Okaz, genetic researcher at Max Planck Institute, must have been the perpetrator of the violence.
Marwa Sherbini’s Four-Year Old Son Watched his Mother Being Butchered
Four-year old Mustapha was witness to the massacre of his mother and the injury of his father. After the incident, he was left in the custody of German Authorities until his aunt arrived to take him home back to Egypt, suffering from severe shock. He will need rehabilitation to be able to cope with the trauma he experienced. In all probability, the tragedy will leave a permanent psychological scar on his whole life.
Marwa’s Body Arrived in Egypt
Marwa Sherbini probably never imagined that this was how she would return home after her years with her husband in Germany. Hosts of grieving mourners stood at 8pm on 5th July, 2009, as the body of the Egyptian pharmacist arrived at Cairo Airport. The dominant feeling was one of deep anger. Her funeral in her native city of Alexandria the following afternoon was marked by masses of people who probably never knew her. Among the mourners were young students from her old school, the EGC, who came to pay their last respects to her
Media Silence Regarding the Murder of the Muslim Woman in the Courtroom
The official stand of the German authorities has been one of muted regret. European media in general, and German media in particular, gave the brutal attack no prominence at all, regarding it as an isolated incident and presenting the attacker as a man who is mentally disturbed. The question that immediately comes to mind is where Marwa Sherbini went wrong. She sought justice and had no doubt in her mind that she would get it. The cruel irony was that she was murdered in the very place that should have protected her and afforded her the highest degree of safety and justice. She trusted the propaganda that Europe was a place of freedom and equality for all, regardless of gender, race or religious persuasion. She did not realize that in Europe some human beings are more equal than others. She had paid for her misconception with her very life.
http://intermultira cialissues. suite101. com/article. cfm/killing_ of_pregnant_ muslim_woman_ in_german_ court#ixzz0KVKpL CPz&D
For eight long minutes, the 28-year old German man of Russian origins continued to stab Marwa Sherbini. For eight long minutes, she suffered the stabs in full view of the panel of judges inside the Dresden courtroom. When the German police finally arrived on the scene, they shot her husband who was desperately trying to save her. The image of middle-easterners as potential terrorists, an image propagated by the media for years now, led them to the wrong conclusion that Elwy Okaz, genetic researcher at Max Planck Institute, must have been the perpetrator of the violence.
Marwa Sherbini’s Four-Year Old Son Watched his Mother Being Butchered
Four-year old Mustapha was witness to the massacre of his mother and the injury of his father. After the incident, he was left in the custody of German Authorities until his aunt arrived to take him home back to Egypt, suffering from severe shock. He will need rehabilitation to be able to cope with the trauma he experienced. In all probability, the tragedy will leave a permanent psychological scar on his whole life.
Marwa’s Body Arrived in Egypt
Marwa Sherbini probably never imagined that this was how she would return home after her years with her husband in Germany. Hosts of grieving mourners stood at 8pm on 5th July, 2009, as the body of the Egyptian pharmacist arrived at Cairo Airport. The dominant feeling was one of deep anger. Her funeral in her native city of Alexandria the following afternoon was marked by masses of people who probably never knew her. Among the mourners were young students from her old school, the EGC, who came to pay their last respects to her
Media Silence Regarding the Murder of the Muslim Woman in the Courtroom
The official stand of the German authorities has been one of muted regret. European media in general, and German media in particular, gave the brutal attack no prominence at all, regarding it as an isolated incident and presenting the attacker as a man who is mentally disturbed. The question that immediately comes to mind is where Marwa Sherbini went wrong. She sought justice and had no doubt in her mind that she would get it. The cruel irony was that she was murdered in the very place that should have protected her and afforded her the highest degree of safety and justice. She trusted the propaganda that Europe was a place of freedom and equality for all, regardless of gender, race or religious persuasion. She did not realize that in Europe some human beings are more equal than others. She had paid for her misconception with her very life.
http://intermultira cialissues. suite101. com/article. cfm/killing_ of_pregnant_ muslim_woman_ in_german_ court#ixzz0KVKpL CPz&D
Egypt cleric seeks stiff penalty for Sherbini killer
Tantawi says man who killed ‘veil martyr’ in Germany should receive maximum punishment.
ALEXANDRIA – A man who stabbed a pregnant Egyptian woman to death in Germany should be punished to the utmost extent of the law, Egypt’s top cleric said on Monday as the woman was buried in her hometown.
“The man who killed Marwa Sherbini, the Egyptian citizen in Germany, and wounded her husband Elwi Ali Okaz should receive the maximum punishment,” Grand Imam Sheikh Mohammed Sayyed Tantawi told the official MENA agency.
“The killer is a terrorist who should receive severe punishment for what he has done, something that contradicts all the values of humanity, decency and religion,” he said.
Sherbini, 32, was killed in a court in the northern German city of Dresden on Wednesday shortly before she was to give evidence in an appeal lodged by her attacker.
The 28-year-old attacker, identified only as Axel W. had been convicted and fined after calling her a “terrorist” for wearing the Islamic headscarf.
According to the Egyptian press, Sherbini was three months pregnant when she was killed. She was laid to rest in her hometown of Alexandria in northern Egypt on Monday.
Her husband, a researcher in genetic engineering who was reportedly shot by German police while trying to save his wife, is still in critical condition in hospital having also been stabbed by the assailant.
Tantawi told MENA he hoped the killing of Sherbini, whom he described as a “martyr,” would not negatively affect the dialogue between the West and Islam because it was “an isolated event.”
I think stabbing of Egyptian woman should be headline on this forum.
I am also upset by Egyptians hypocrites who are asking for extreme punishment for attacker but no one is raising voice against Police firing at her Husband in the courtroom.
I think all the 57 so called Muslim countries should summon German Ambassadors to file their protest and demand an inquiry how 18 times a helpless woman was stabbed in a courtroom…who allowed the culprit in the courtroom with knife and why police gave him enough time to stab her 18 times and why police shot her Husband instead of culprit.
But they will not do it because they are 56 impotent Zankhay.
Only Ahmedenejad of Iran can do it thats the reason they are engaged and occupied with their survival.
Two news to ponder – lol
But who care!!!!!!!!!! phir bhi Jiye Altaffffff bhaiiiiiii
Another war Criminal leaves the world without facing justice for his crimes.
Robert McNamara the architect of Vietnam war died. He will be remembered as the architect for the Vietnam War. Years later he had an attack of the mea culpa (see Oscar winning documentary, Fog of War).
McNamara’s Vietnam strategy killed millions of people, similar to war criminal Henry Kissinger. Kissinger, the imperialist enforcer, who intellectualises about the necessity of war mongering. Though I don’t think Kissinger has been plagued by a guilty conscience.
McNamara was maybe a complex flawed man riddled with guilt but he took his time in becoming public about his doubts and condemnation. And witnessing the repeating farce and tragedy of history, he opposed the Iraq War (”It’s just wrong what we’re doing. It’s morally wrong, it’s politically wrong, it’s economically wrong.”).
Hope u burn in hell.
You take a stand and if you continue to believe in it then nobody can do anything about it. IK has been harassed and called different names like “Taliban Khan” by the jahil baboons. The good news is that he ain’t afraid of these people and continue to talk sense. Will anybody listen?
Change you can believe in – Obama’s showing once again his true colors.
Detainees, Even if Acquitted, Might Not Go Free
June 04,2009. People can go back to their homes from June 17!!!!
June 17 aye aur chali gai BUT:
July 08, 2009
Soon people will go back to their homes: ISPR loliii paap
Laanat en jhootay khudaooonnn par!!!!
“shaheed e jamhooriat” ko aik aur salam. Demaaacracy at gross-root level: myfoot
Bakhtawar to enter politics after education: Zardari
June 19, 2009
Tell YouTube to stop censoring videos about Israel
A disturbing trend is emerging on YouTube – videos that show Israel in a bad light are being taken down. The first example was Max Blumenthal and Joseph Dana’s Feeling the Hate in Jerusalem video, which was removed after being viewed over 400,000 times. Now a second video has been removed as well. This one showed Israeli Border Police humiliating a Palestinian man – and was shot by the police themselves as a joke. Here is the video (which has been re-posted on blip.tv) and a description from Ha’aretz:
This clip, which has been viewed more than 2,800 times, shows the unknown Palestinian standing in a desert setting while a disembodied voice orders him in Hebrew to hit himself: “Yallah, start, do it hard!”
The viewers hear the chuckles of the other policemen and a clear voice telling the Arab: “Say ‘Ana behibak Mishmar Hagvul’ ["I love the Border Police? in a mix of Arabic and Hebrew]. Say it!”
They see him obey in a subdued voice and with a frightened look, even as he goes on slapping himself. They hear the “director” laughing and the faceless voice shouting: “Again! Ana behibak Mishmar Hagvul.”
After a little more than 30 seconds, the voice says, “Say ‘Wahad hummus wahad ful’” – and the Arab man obeys and then is told to complete the rhyme: “Ana behibak Mishmar Hagvul.”
After 40 seconds, the abusers appear to have had enough and the voice impatiently orders the victim: “Yallah, rukh, rukh, rukh” (“go”). The camera turns and for a fraction of a second a Border Police Jeep is visible.
A few dozen viewers sent comments. “Hahahaha, it was great the way he excruciated himself.” Another added: “That’s how it should be!!!!! Stinking Arab.”
And a third pointed out, “He should have been shot!! Sons of bitches.” A few viewers took pity on the victim, though with reservations. One person remarked, “Mercy on the guy, even if he’s an Arab. What’s it in aid of? He didn’t do anything.”
The organization Jewish Voice for Peace has begun a campaign demanding YouTube to put Blumenthal’s video back up. JVP suggests people write YouTube to protest this decision and their sample letter makes an important point:
YouTube has just announced that it is relaxing some of its guidelines so that videos showing the current events in Iran may be posted. I am asking you to draw upon that same commitment to supporting human rights by returning Max Blumenthal’s video and any other similar ones to your site. The extreme views represented in these videos need to be heard and acknowledged so that they can be overcome. Making the videos disappear doesn’t make the hateful views expressed in the video disappear, too.
Please join JVP in protesting YouTube’s decision. In the meantime the Blumenthal/Dana video can now be found on Vimeo:
Feeling The Hate In Jerusalem — The Censored Video from Max Blumenthal on Vimeo.
http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/06/youtube-censoring-videos-critical-of-israel.html
Pakistan says Taliban leader will talk to U.S.
Anyone read this?
Good work boys! Have been very busy. Will be back with full force tomorrow.
15 British soldiers has lost their lives in 10 days in Afghanistan.
The FM David Mili(tary)band is doing his utmost to convince the population to continue the unjust occupation of a foreign country for NO reason other than to terrorise the Muslims.
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Troops ‘fighting for UK’s future’
Excerpts:
“Foreign Secretary David Miliband has insisted fighting in Afghanistan is key to ensuring UK security, after eight soldiers were killed in 24 hours.
Some 184 service personnel have died there since 2001, more than the 179 killed during the war in Iraq.
But Mr Miliband dismissed calls for UK forces to withdraw, saying they were stopping Afghanistan becoming “a launch pad for attacks” by terrorists.
“This is about the future of Britain,” he added.
Fifteen soldiers have died in 10 days in southern Afghanistan as UK troops continue Operation Panchai Palang, or Panther’s Claw.”
Link to article:
Nato denies ‘Afpak’ imperial plan
Excerpts:
“Adm di Paola expressed confidence about Pakistan’s commitment
The head of Nato’s military committee, Adm Giampaolo di Paola, has said that the alliance has no imperial ambitions in the Pakistan and Afghanistan region.”
Link to full story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8143784.stm
Ooooh really, but we don’t believe you!
Another PML – N scandal.
Punjab woman MPA uses stolen credit card
India is not our enemy – ROFL
Shahbaz blames ex-rulers for power crisis
“LAHORE: Chief Minister Mian Shahbaz Sharif has said that due to the negligence of the former rulers, the whole country is facing serious electricity crisis and all the sectors, especially agriculture and industries, are badly suffering from it.”
Link: http://thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=23227
Off course, but SS must know that he and his brother is a part of the “the former ruler team”. I bet the rulers after you will blame you, and this trend will continue unless you people are shown the door.
“Chairman Pakistan Electronic Media Regularity Authority (Pemra) Mushtaq Malik on Saturday appealed to the electronic media to strengthen the hands of the government by reporting events in a balanced manner.
In an interview with this news agency, he said foreign investors are reluctant to invest in Pakistan as the media coverage of acts of terrorism some times creates negative image of the country abroad.”
Link: http://thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=23228
This is similar to:
Pigeons close their eyes to “avoid” the cat.
Ostriches dig their head in the sand to “avoid” danger.
Well done our “dear” rulers. You have “calculated” the right solution
lol dun ask us to fix anything just dun report and drink the kool aid we providing lol
Revealed: UK’s Bloody Afghan Legacy
By Nick Paton Walsh
The British Army has paid out compensation for, or is in the process of investigating the deaths of, at least 104 civilians killed in clashes in Helmand in just 18 months, Channel 4 News can reveal.
Channel 4 – Broadcast July 01, 2009
Egypt stops Gaza-bound medical convoy
Sun, 12 Jul 2009 06:58:02 GMT
Egyptian authorities have refused to allow ‘Viva Palestina’ activists trying to carry humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip to cross into the Sinai Peninsula.
The largest-ever US aid convoy to help the people of Gaza was stopped at the Suez Canal on Saturday on its way to Al Arish, where the rest of the group and supplies will join them before heading for the border crossing into Gaza.
The activists are part of a convoy of at least 200 people — all Americans, including Charles Barron, a New York City Councilman — that plan to be in Gaza by July 13.
Former US Congresswoman from Georgia, Cynthia McKinney, who was arrested by Israeli forces earlier this month while heading to Gaza on a humanitarian mission, will also join the convoy.
Saudi family sues genie, alleges harassment
Mubarak ho bhay logoon.
Viva Palestina Calls For Protest At Egyptian Consulates Across The U.S.
By Viva Palestina
Viva Palestina U.S. is calling on friends and supporters to gather outside Egyptian consulates across the U.S. on Tuesday, July 14, as we make our way toward the Suez Canal and into the Sinai Peninsula to deliver humanitarian aid and medical supplies to the people of Gaza. We have met all the new bureaucratic requirements imposed by the Egyptian authorities, and we therefore have the right to expect a speedy passage to Gaza. However, we must prepare for unwarranted further attempts to frustrate us perhaps with a view to stopping such convoys in the future. Those individuals and groups gathering outside Egyptian consulates tomorrow will either be able to help us break through those blockages or be able to celebrate our overcoming them. We want to be on the border of Gaza on Tuesday night and in Gaza on Wednesday morning. Viva Palestina!
Let the Aid through!
Let the Covoy through!
Let the trucks through!
http://www.vivapalestina-us.org/
PPP ka ek aur dhamaka.
Translation of above.
Police moved to register FIR against Benazir murder
Are Pakistani people liberals (fascists) especially students or they want to be a Muslim and true Pakistani?
All position holders girls are with scarf. Isn’t a good news
I was gonna post it. On one hand am so happy for all these gals, on other hands what the heck guys been doing too much extracuricular activity lol
I think it is a general development in many parts of the world…..girls are advancing fast and bypassing the boys, and why not. They have been neglected and subdued for different reasons. It’s a very good development. Well educated mothers can do wonders for their children! I am not saying the men should not take their part of responsibility.
that is true they even starting to notice the trend, but its not a good trend just like it hurts gals in the past and hurt society at large its gonna hurt again by tide going the opposite way.
It might hurt a little in the short run, but I think the bad trend will be reversed in a span of a few years by the well educated mothers. They will ensure good education for BOTH girls and boys!
“All position holders girls are with scarf. Isn’t a good news ”
Anyways they will not be appointed to lead a dubious NGO….thank God. We don’t need people like Farzana Bari.
I can’t understand Pakistani media’s fixation on recommencement of dialog with India. Nothing positive could come out of a dialog with India ever. Those who have had the benefit of interaction with Indians know that two generations after the partition they have not accepted the existence of Pakistan. Secondly Indians have a consistent misbehavior pattern in South Asia not only with Pakistan but with other neighbors.
Whenever I have had a dialog with an Indian they have wanted to talk about trade, transit, and travel including soft borders. They have always avoided addressing substantive issues. Their Govt. and individual behavior follows a consistent pattern. Anyway for the purpose of record I am reproducing the statement. It is not worth the paper it is written on.
@ tauqeer
how abt dear PM abt raising the issue of samjhta express?
Man I feel sorry for the country. Listening to the guy (yousef Raza Gillani) is torture. Where the hell do they get these people from. Sometimes I wonder how does PPP have such an exclusive collection of “gems”. But then look at Jiyalas and I could half understand.
In ref: to Gilani- he is nothing.
In ref: to the Indians and their attitude-
well, the one simple reason for their behaviour is who is representing Pakistan.
I have said it many time before and I shall say it again-
If you wish to be taken seriously- you have to be serious and you have to talk with serious people.In ref: to India you have to maintain your point of view and in order to make them accept that you have to make it expensive for them NOT to do so.
That is not and has not been done
Now look here- you have a third rate mouth piece-( Gilani)- for Zardari who has been given instructions to sing the provided song-( by Zardari)– well he is singing it.
As regards the News Media- they are all bogus anyway and they are in the business of selling Ads not providing news.
This whole thing is a stage show and no more.
The real news should be why Nawaz Shareef is meeting with Zardari ?
We need leaders with courage and that my friends is a quality that is always missing in thieves who are masquerading as our leaders.
Another slap by India on our govt face, lanat govt par baighairat.
India puts Pakistan talks on hold
Nawaz acquitted in plane hijacking case
“Nawaz acquitted in plane hijacking case”
What a “surprise”…………..Wasn’t it the writing on the wall?
ALLAH ziada ilm bhi kisi ko na day. Baree mauzrat ke saath haqqani sahib aap sathya gaey hain. Kash aap ko jitna dukh arabi par ho raha hai utna he dukh english par hota.
“Baree mauzrat ke saath haqqani sahib aap sathya gaey hain. Kash aap ko jitna dukh arabi par ho raha hai utna he dukh english par hota.”
bahut aala
… you are right in your both statement. I am surprised what happened with Haqqani in last days of his life.
@shimatoree “the real news of Nawaz Zardari meeting”
I agree that is a significant development. Zardari must be under some serious pressure to go to Lahore. We need to find out the story behind this story.
Someone in the know should shed some light on this. Anyone up for the challange!
@afzaalkhan Haqqani’s main problem is he was always on the loosing side. He is not going senile! He was always demented. A fake intellectual who lacked any deep study of the topics he wrote about. He was just promoted by Jang and a lot of people just read him because no one was ever able to challenge him in a question answer format that we have today.
Afghanistan Villages Threatened By US Military Over Kidnapped Soldier
By Huffington Post
Comment By Malcolm Martin
tu mera haji baggo mun tu haji bagyum
salees urdu: tussi chaudhry sahib asi malik sahib
Bholay mian kelye qaum ko bhola aur bewaqoof samjhanay par adab kae sath!!!!!!!!!!
I am no apologist for NS. But I think High jacking case was a trumpet up charge and could not have stood the judicial test in any court of Law. So just as well that it is behind us.
Thanks to Saudis we were spared the blood of another “Shaeed” and the obligation to vote for his next several generations of imbeciles a la Bhutto Zardaris with a sullen faced Punjab like our Sindhi brothers who discovered virtues of the “poor Saheed” after his demise.
I think it is not fair not to be fair!
Thats my problem with media, they lecture everyone and ask the qaum to show bravery but then when it there time they dun show the same. Read following article, now I want to know why the journalist has decided not to reveal the name of the minister. If we want change then time to stop hiding behind senior this and that, lets name names here people.
Normally we beat negative records, but this time it’s a positive record
“Pakistan in tree planting record
The trees were planted in a swampy mangrove region
A team of volunteers in Pakistan has set a new world record by planting more than half a million trees in one day.
Guinness World Records confirmed that 541,176 trees had been planted in the southern province of Sindh on 15 July.
Some 300 volunteers, working in groups, planted mangrove saplings in the 750 acres of the Indus river delta region.
They beat the previous team record for tree planting which was set in India just last month when 447,874 saplings were planted in Assam state.”
Full article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8154120.stm
Clinton seeks goodwill in India
Full article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8155486.stm
Excerpts:
“She is currently in Mumbai, where she attended a private ceremony to honour the victims of last November’s attacks which left more than 170 people dead.
She is staying in the Taj Mahal Palace hotel, where many of the victims died.”
Sure, the Indians will not let the issue die. They will keep it warm to pressurize a VERY and INCOMPETENT weak leadership of Pakistan.
“Mrs Clinton is also likely to press for better ties between India and Pakistan when she goes to Delhi on Sunday.
Observers say she will argue that the current US alliance with Pakistan is not at India’s expense.
BBC regional analyst Jill McGivering says that at present, the US focus is on Pakistan and Afghanistan, and the battle against Taliban insurgents in both countries.”
Off course one day the focus will shift and so will the direction of the “help” provided to the corrupt leaders of Pakistan. US has a history of changing colors like a chameleon. The real issue is off cours business and make an alliance against foremost China and the Pakistan in the long run.
Business……
“Our correspondent also says the visit is also partly about business.
The agreement which ended a three-decade ban on the sale of civilian nuclear technology to India was a centrepiece of the last Bush administration.
Now India is expected to name two sites where US companies can build nuclear power plants. It is business worth billions of dollars. “
Now now! everyone knows that Americans don’t commit atrocities
Group Seeks Probe of Mass Graves
by William Fisher
NEW YORK – A prominent human rights group is calling on the U.S. Department of Justice to investigate why the administration of former President George W. Bush blocked three different probes into war crimes in Afghanistan where as many as 2,000 surrendered Taliban fighters were reportedly suffocated in container trucks and then buried in a mass grave by Afghan forces operating jointly with U.S. forces.
The Boston-based Physicians for Human Rights (PHR), which discovered the mass gravesite in 2002, has issued the call for the criminal probe. The organisation says U.S. government documents it has obtained show that the bodies were reportedly buried in mass graves in the Dasht-e-Leili desert near Sheberghan, Afghanistan.
It charges that Afghan warlord General Abdul Rashid Dostum, who it says was on the payroll of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), was responsible for the massacre.
“Physicians for Human Rights went to investigate inhumane conditions at a prison in northern Afghanistan, but what we found was much worse,” stated Susannah Sirkin, PHR’s deputy director.
“Our researchers documented an apparent mass grave site with reportedly thousands of bodies of captured prisoners who were suffocated to death in trucks. That was 2002; seven years later, we still seek answers about what exactly happened and who was involved,” she said.
PHR says senior Bush administration officials impeded investigations by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and the State and Defence departments, and apparently never conducted a full inquiry. The New York Times made the disclosure earlier this month in a story by Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter James Risen.
Subsequently, President Barack Obama told CNN’s Anderson Cooper that he has directed his national security team to look into the alleged massacre. Obama said the government needs to find out whether actions by the U.S. contributed to possible war crimes.
“The Bush administration’s disregard for the rule of law and the Geneva Conventions led to torture of prisoners in Guantánamo and many other secret places,” noted Nathaniel Raymond, PHR’s lead researcher on Dasht-e-Leili.
“Contrary to the legal opinions of the previous Department of Justice, the principles of the Geneva Conventions are non-negotiable, as is their enforcement. President Obama must open a full and transparent criminal probe and prosecute any U.S. officials found to have broken the law,” he said.
“The State Department’s statement to the New York Times that suspected war crimes should be thoroughly investigated indicates a move towards full accountability,” added Raymond. “We stand ready to aid the U.S. government in investigating this massacre. It is time for the cover-up to end.”
PHR reiterated its call to the government of Afghanistan, which has jurisdiction over the alleged mass grave site, to secure the area with the assistance of ISAF (International Security Assistance Force-Afghanistan), protect witnesses to the initial incident and the ensuing tampering, and ensure a full investigation of remaining evidence at the site, including the tracing of the substantial amount of soil that appears to have been removed in 2006.
“Gravesites have been tampered with, evidence has been destroyed, and witnesses have been tortured and killed,” PHR said. “The Dasht-e-Leili mass grave site must finally be secured, all surviving witnesses must be protected, and the government of Afghanistan, in coordination with the U.N. and NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organisation), must at last allow a full investigation to go forward.”
PHR charged that U.S. officials have been reluctant to pursue an investigation – sought by officials from the FBI, the State Department, the Red Cross and human rights groups – because the warlord, Gen. Abdul Rashid Dostum, was on the payroll of the CIA and his militia worked closely with U.S. Special Forces in 2001.
The group said the United States also worried about undermining the U.S.-supported government of President Hamid Karzai, in which General Dostum had served as a defence official.
“At the White House, nobody said no to an investigation, but nobody ever said yes, either,” said Pierre Prosper, the former U.S. ambassador for war crimes issues. “The first reaction of everybody there was, ‘Oh, this is a sensitive issue; this is a touchy issue politically’.”
PHR’s Raymond, who is head of the organisation’s Campaign Against Torture, told IPS that President Obama’s statement was welcome.
But, he added, “The president’s rhetoric must be matched by urgent action. He needs to pressure President Karzai to secure the mass graves site, protect witnesses and make sure that U.S.-led military forces and the United Nations in Afghanistan protect all evidence of the crimes.”
PHR said that, in recent weeks, State Department officials have quietly tried to thwart General Dostum’s reappointment as military chief of staff to the Afghan president, according to several senior officials, and suggested that the administration might not be hostile to an inquiry.
The question of culpability for the prisoner deaths – which may have been the most significant mass killing in Afghanistan after the 2001 U.S.-led invasion – has taken on new urgency since the general, an important Karzai ally, was reinstated to his government post last month. He had been suspended last year and living in exile in Turkey after he was accused of threatening a political rival at gunpoint.
The killings reportedly occurred in late November 2001, just days after the U.S.-led invasion forced the ouster of the Taliban government in Kabul. Thousands of Taliban fighters surrendered to General Dostum’s forces, which were part of the U.S.-backed Northern Alliance, in the city of Kunduz. They were then transported to a prison run by the general’s forces near the town of Shibarghan.
Survivors and witnesses told The New York Times and Newsweek in 2002 that over a three-day period, Taliban prisoners were stuffed into closed metal shipping containers and given no food or water; many suffocated while being trucked to the prison. Other prisoners were killed when guards shot into the containers.
General Dostum, however, has said previously that any such deaths of the Taliban prisoners were unintentional. He has said that only 200 prisoners died and blamed combat wounds and disease for most of the fatalities.
The first calls for an investigation came from PHR and the International Committee of the Red Cross. A military commander in the United States-led coalition rejected a request by a Red Cross official for an inquiry in late 2001, according to the official, who, in keeping with his organisation’s policy, would speak only on condition of anonymity and declined to identify the commander.
Subsequently, PHR asked the Defence Department to investigate the alleged massacre, but no action was taken. PHR says the prisoner deaths came up in a conversation with Paul D. Wolfowitz, the deputy secretary of defence at the time, in early 2003.
“Somebody mentioned Dostum and the story about the containers and the possibility that this was a war crime. And Wolfowitz said we are not going to be going after him for that,” according to the group.
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thats dostam for u. It was widely reported in pakistani media but was mentioned in passing in west,
link doesn’t work mate
Ansar Abbassi zindabad.
???????????? So called HR champoos, NGOS, media……..
bol ke lab azad han tera
weldone Mr ORIA MAQBOOL JAN
Gung ZabanaiN, Khamosh Zameer
(if having trouble (e.g. using Firefox) with the link above, click here for a direct link
We are growing old and in that connection there could be a fear of Alzheimers disease, but don’t worry mates. There is a hope. Recently a “man” has been cured of this disease
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFih5FgzcRU
3 hrs rain the money to city govt gone to london.
Breaking News: Ajmal Qasab admits guilt in the court: Indian media
“I want to make history: Gilani
Says enough is enough; wants powerful parliament, active and effective cabinet; vows to take decisions on merit, not according to somebody’s wishes; says CoD to be implemented with PML-N’s help; rejects ban on SMS, e-mails”
AND
“He appears to be very confident after emerging victorious from Sharm el-Sheikh. His aggressive stance on the Indian interference in Balochistan came as a surprise to Manmohan Singh. Now his stance against the president’s interference in the day-to-day affairs of government could surprise Zardari in the coming days and weeks.”
Link:
Should I laugh or cry?
Gillani, you are not made of such stuff that you can make history in a positive sense!
“US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has said perpetrators of the 9/11 terrorist attacks are in Pakistan.”
http://thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=23359
What the heck…I didn’t expect such a ridicolous statement from a “responsible” Americano.
The babu newspaper Dawn quotes another babu:
“LONDON: Former president Pervez Musharraf has said dialogue had to be established with the Taliban and political progress, rather than military might, would achieve a solution in Afghanistan.”
Link: http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/world/09-musharraf-backs-political-dialogue-with-taliban–szh-04
Why the hell did you not start with dialogue instead of violence?
Stop barking, Musharraf – no sane man or woman will believe a habitual liar like you!
Why the defence minister speaking on this issue?
Who is powering the power rioters?
By Shireen M Mazari: What audacious arrogance
Family fortune. Papa, Puttar, Puttrian (PPP). What a shame for dammaaacracyyyy….
What a fight in the South Korean Parliament.
thats no fight, this is fight
Proclamation of emergency: Musharraf given seven days to defend himself in Supreme Court
:The Supreme Court on Wednesday gave seven-day time to former president General Pervez Musharraf (Retd) to decide and appear before the 14-judge bench for defending the charges levelled against him for proclamation of emergency on November 3, 2007. Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry observed.
“If the court gives verdict without giving a chance for explanation to Musharraf, justice will not meet its demands.” After having a long debate over the subject whether it was appropriate to make Musharraf party or not as there was no precedent in the history, the court issued notice to meet the demand of justice.
“In terms of Order 25 Rule IX of the Supreme Court rules 1980, issue notice to General Pervez Musharraf (Retd), leaving for him to appear in the court or otherwise,” ruled the 14-member bench, headed by Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry. “Notice be issued at his residence in Islamabad. The hearing of the case is postponed for July 29,” the order further said.
The Chief Justice observed that it was a cardinal principal of law that no one should be condemned unheard. “We-judges are always neutral even our worst enemy comes before us, we have to do justice. Otherwise, nation would not trust us and we would not take any step contrary to law,” he added.
The issue of the emergency and sacking of judges came up while the apex court was hearing a constitutional petition filed by Sindh High Court Bar Association (SHBA), seeking regularisation of services of two judges of the Sindh High Court (SHC). To a court’s query, Attorney General Sardar Latif Khan Khosa categorically stated that the government of Pakistan People’s Party had always been against the dictatorial oppressive regimes and he would neither defend former President Pervez Musharraf nor the actions of November 3, 2007.
Former Attorney General and a close aide of Pervez Musharraf Malik Muhammad Qayyum was also present in the courtroom. Justice Sarmad Jalal Osmani asked Malik Qayyum (in a light mode) whether Musharraf would appear himself or would engage a counsel. Qayyum replied that he had no contact with Musharraf.
Earlier, Hamid Khan, representing SHBA, said that November 3, 2007 emergency was imposed for the benefit for a single individual. Justice Chaudhry Ijaz Ahmed observed, he had levelled charges against Musharraf and if the court writes even a single line regarding Musharraf without listening him, would be against natural justice.
Hamid Khan referred to Asma Jillani case in which Yahya Khan was declared usurper, but was not issued notice in the case. Therefore, it would be premature to issue notice, he added. After issuing the notice to General Pervez Musharraf (Retd), the court postponed the hearing till July 29.
Talking to media outside the courtroom, Malik Qayyum termed the issuance of notice to former President Pervez Musharraf as commendable step of the court. The former president could appear himself or engage a counsel as well, he added. When asked if he would represent Musharraf before the 14-member bench, he said if Musharraf asked him to do so, he would think over it. SHBA President Rashid Rizvi told media that if Musharraf did not appear before the court, the proceedings would continue, adding his absence would not mean contempt of the court.
US not to defend Musharraf
US special envoy for Pakistan and Afghanistan Richard Holbrooke said on Wednesday Pervez Musharraf was now history and that the US would not defend him. Talking to the media here, he termed Musharraf’s case Pakistan’s internal issue, adding the US respects the country’s judiciary.
Army to stay away
By Ansar Abbasi
The Pakistan Army would stay distant and neutral from the Supreme Court’s proceedings against the ex-army chief and condemned dictator General (retd) Pervez Musharraf’s trial on account of his Nov 3, 2007 unconstitutional action.
While many wonder if the Pakistan Army would defend Musharraf despite what he did to Pakistan, its institutions and to the constitution as a 14-member bench of the apex court is currently adjudicating the former dictator’s Nov 3 actions, the military under General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani intends to stay neutral. It is not interested to drag itself into unnecessary controversy by siding with a man, who is no more associated with the Army and is sought by the country’s superior judiciary for his unconstitutional actions.
The Supreme Court Wednesday summoned Musharraf to appear before the 14-member bench or get himself represented through his counsel to defend his actions of Nov 3 and later. Although the military spokesman when contacted by a member of The News Investigative Reporting Wing did not offer his comment on the question if Pakistan Army would defend its former chief in the apex court, a senior army source simply ruled out any such possibility. “What army has to do with this,” said the source, adding that the Supreme Court has taken up a political case that has nothing to do with the army.
“We have nothing to do with it,” the source said when precisely asked about the Nov 3rd unconstitutional actions of the then Army Chief General Pervez Musharraf. Musharraf, the military source added, is no more in army. “You know better that he is retired now and have no link with army,” the source said, adding that dragging Pakistan Army into this would be uncalled for.
In an interesting twist of fate Musharraf, who had perpetuated his dictatorial rule by misusing his powers as chief of army staff and even at the cost of the reputation of the institution of Pakistan Army, is all alone and is now trying to settle down in London as he fears facing music if comes back to Pakistan.
Musharraf is becoming such a lesson for others that even Washington to whom he had sold his soul and served even at the cost of damaging Pakistan, has been abandoned by his real master. US special envoy to Pakistan and Afghanistan Richard Holbrooke Wednesday said President Pervez Musharraf is now history and that the US will not come to defend him.
The reputation of Pakistan Army was at its worse when Musharraf handed over the military command to the incumbent Army Chief Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, who took no time to get the army out of politics and repeatedly proved military’s neutrality from political and government matters. Kayani, the man who enjoys utmost respect both within the army and outside for his professionalism, kept army out of any electoral manipulation early last year though Musharraf was keen to rig the elections to get his choice parties elected all over Pakistan.
After Musharraf’s departure and the emergence of President Asif Ali Zardari as the major opponent to the restoration of the deposed judges, again it was the incumbent army chief who played his positive role and have had a series of interactions with President Zardari and Prime Minister Gilani to settle the issue to the best interest of the people, the country and the judiciary.
This is also in public knowledge that even during the days when Musharraf was an all powerful dictator, he had also refused to give an affidavit against the incumbent Chief Justice of Pakistan Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry following his controversial suspension on March 9, 2007. Perhaps not many know that Musharraf and some of his other Generals misbehaved with the chief justice on March 9 in order to coerce him into tendering resignation, Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, the then ISI chief, was decent and polite with the chief justice. While others were rude towards the CJ, it was Gen Kayani, who had even offered a cup of coffee to Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry.
Zardari will honour SC verdict against Musharraf
By Tariq Butt
President Asif Ali Zardari will completely honour whatever decision the 14-judge bench of the Supreme Court will announce about the fate of certain judges and the Nov 3, 2007 action of Pervez Musharraf, his spokesman Farhatullah Babar said.
“There are no two opinions that we will submit to the court verdict and implement it in letter and spirit,” he told The News. The PPP, Babar said, had always been saying that the Nov 3 action was unconstitutional. “We will not take any step to nullify the court ruling.”
To a question whether the government would react like it did after the scrapping of the carbon tax by the Supreme Court, the spokesman said it was a different case. The president, he said, issued an ordinance on the advice of the prime minister imposing the Petroleum Development Levy (PDL) in place of the carbon tax and that action was not meant to invalidate the court’s decision.
The PPP leaders, having frequent interaction with the presidency, say that Zardari is not concerned about and has nothing to do with what the apex court is currently seized.
“Did we irately react when Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry recommended Justice Agha Rafiq Ahmed’s appointment as the chief justice of the Federal Shariat Court or recommended that Justice Khawaja Mohammad Sharif should be made chief justice of the Lahore High Court?” a presidential confidant asked, and then he himself answered it saying, “No, we just kept quiet.”
Another PPP leader said the government also did not react adversely when the chief justice in consultation with his colleague judges had formulated and announced the judicial policy without involving it in any way. He said that the president had serious reservations against certain names recommended by the chief justice for appointment as judges but Zardari accepted them and issued the requisite notifications. “We assented to whatever Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry has so far recommended.”
The simple reason for such a policy, he said, was that the president did not want to lock horns with the Supreme Court on any issue as he believed in the independence of the judiciary.
Asked about Zardari’s reaction if the 14-member bench issued a marching order to the battalion of “Jiyala” judges, the source said that the president would do nothing to wreck the court judgment. “If these judges were sent packing, they would go home,” he said.
However, other sources say alarm bells are ringing at the presidency as the 14 judges continue proceedings, casting strong doubts on the fate of several judges who either took oath under the Provisional Constitutional Order (PCO) and thus collaborated with Musharraf or the PPP cardholders, who have been inducted into the superior judiciary.
On the contrary, the atmosphere in the Prime Minister’s House is relaxed and carefree as its chief occupant Yousuf Raza Gilani feels that he will lose nothing if any number of judges is shown the door or the Nov 3 action is thrown out of the window.
Proclamation of emergency: Musharraf given seven days to defend himself in Supreme Court
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ہاہاہا ميں ڈرتا ورتا نہيں ہوں ـ ـ
بس ويسے ہی ذرا پتلون گيلی گيلی محسوس ہو رہی ہے ؛ ۔ ۔
please watch
Bolta Pakistan – 22 July 2009
Jul 22, 2009 .
Mushtaq Minhas and Nusrat Javed bring a fresh episode of Bolta Pakistan.
http://www.pakfuse.com/…/73-zulm-phir-zulm-hai-barhtaa-hai-tau-mit-jaataa-hai.html
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Zulm phir zulm hai, bart-ta hai to mitt jata hai
Khun phir khun hai, tapkay ga to jum jaiga
Khak-i-Sehra pay jamay yaa kaf-e-qatil pay jamay
Firq-e-insaaf pay yaa pai-e-silasal pay jamay
Taigh-i-baydad pay, yaa lash-e-bismil pay jamay
Khun phir khun hai, tapkay ga to jum jaiga
Lakh Bethay koi chup chup key Kami(n) Gaho(n) mei(n)
Khun khud deta hai jalado(n) key maskan ka suragh
Sazishe(n) lakh urati rahei(n) zulmat ka niqaab
Ley key har boond nikati hai hatha
Tum ne jis khun ko maktal mei(n) dabana chaha
Aaj wo kucha-o-bazaar mei(n) Aa nikla hai
Kahi(n) Shola, kahi(n) narah, kahi(n) pathar ban ke
Khun chalta hai to rukta nahi(n) Sangeeno se
Sar Uthta hai to dubta nahi(n) Aaeeno(n) se
Zulm ki baat hi kya, zulm ki Aukaat hi kya
Zulm bass zulm hai Aaghaaz se Anjaam talak
Khun phir khun hai, Soa Shakal Badal Sahta hai
Aisi Shakle(n) kah mitao to mitaye na banay
Aisey Sholey keh Bhujao to bhujao na banay
Aisey Narey keh dabao to dabaye na banay
Sahir Ludhianvi (1921-80)
English translation
Cruelty is after all cruelty —-when it inflates, it dissipates,
Blood is after all blood —– when it drips, it coagulates
It may congeal on the desert’s chest, or on the murderer’s sleeve,
on the faulty scales of justice, or on the links of chains,
on the oppressive sword, or on the slaugheterd corpse,
Blood is after all blood —– when it drips, it coagulates
One may hide in whichever shelter one likes,
blood itself reveals the executioner’s hide-out.
Conspiracies may cast around the veil of darkness;
The blood which you tried to suppress in the abattoir,
today has rushed out in the streets and squares —-
as a flame, or battle-cry, or as a stone,
Once blood starts flowing, the bayonets can not restrain it.
Once blood lifts its head, the ordinances can not constrain it.
What is to be said about cruelty! What is cruelty’s nature?
Cruelty is always cruelty— from its beginning to its end.
Blood is after all blood, it can take so many forms,
forms which cannot be destroyed,
flames which cannot be extinguished,
cries which cannot be silenced.
Sahir Ludhianvi (1921-80)
wah wah sahir wah
yaar y ur links dun work:(
It’s good that Musharraf is asked to come to the court of law, but I am sure this is only a game. In reality there is no lesson. If there is any then it must be that as a dictator you can do anything and at “worst” you will be able to live the rest of your days in comfortable surroundings in a western capital.
Why wasn’t Mushy summoned before? America made sure that he was rescued before this order. Richard holbrooke is only bullshitting abt the whole thing. Idiots bewaqoof kis ko buna rahey hain? Zardari ko?
totally agreed. First army and govt including Shareef Bradran made possible for safe exit and then Chief Justice sb started to hear petition and summoned Mushi.
Thanks God, IMC now have some time other than Shareef Bradran’s case to give attention to other crucial issues in country.
Atleast someone doing something.
“Swat main jaili video par vavaila karnay waly es waqt kahan par hain”?
Farzana Bari and others “kanj.r” activists would be busy in a.. licking of their financers.
Daikho Daikho kaun aya kaun aya… shair aya shair aya
Shabash lanat shehbaz sharif par.
Hadrath umar ke daur main ek qubti nay faryad ki ke umroo bin al aas jo oswaqt gov of Egypt thai ke baitey nay mujhey durrey marrey bilawaja. In the court of hadrath umar he had umroo bin al aas and his son and after trial it was proven, hadrath umar gave the hunter to the qubti and ordered to hit the son of gov as many times as he has been hit while the qubti was hitting the son hadrath umar grabbed umroo bin al aas and threw him on the ground and asked qubti to hit him too, when qubti asked why, hadrath umar said cuz iskey baitey nay baap ke uhdey ke ghurror main tujh par zulm kia so gov is as responsible for the crime of his son.
Yahan logoon ke pass bijli nahi aur shareef khandan ki ayyashiyaan.
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Thanks
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Google it and watch this video
“zulm phir zulm hai, baRhta hai tau miT jaata hai you tube”
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEbUvlaf-Ag
lala I pray for these guy ‘Z & N ‘
BUT
I d’nt think they are able and capable to listen, see and feel such things.
KALAM-I-NARM-0-NAZAN MARDEY NALAN PEY BEY ASAR
Baboon Alert!!!! WOW they all coming out eh – And ofcoz they beleive in democracy
The best is the name and e-mail of the author. Plz do e-mail the moron and show ur donkey pun by give him a swift kick in the arse.
The awam and donkeys
BY: Zafar Hilaly
The writer is a former ambassador. Email: charles123it@hotmail.com
Something to cheer u guys up
So MQM gonna back Mushy? lol
Musharraf meets Hafeez Pirzada, Babar Ghauri, Qusoori
Allah kerey yeh sher Nawaz/Shahbaz aur unkay jaan nasheenon ko kha jaey…..Sher sey mein kahoon mujh ko chor k tumhey kha jaey…
May be they will learn something from the asli shair!
I prayed for BB yeh to phir Nawaz Sharif hai.
But then may be the liberator is not on the scene.
Taukeer where have you been man? How is your new hospital? Where are you staying in London?
replied by email including new contact number. Not a state secret so feel free to share the info.
BTW give up mayoosi and be part of the solution.
Credit cards scandal: Shumaila’s resignation accepted
It’s more like a captain’s protest rather than a genuine explanation. Disgraceful…..exactly what could be expected from Butt Brothers Team.
“Talking to this correspondent, a lawyer said anyone who would represent Musharraf in the Supreme Court would be an unfortunate lawyer. The lawyers who have hinted to become former president’s counsel are being conveyed by the lawyers’ community that they would have to face the brunt of their fellow colleagues if they offered their services to the person who allegedly brutalised the law professionals.”
Link: http://thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=23466
Good move, but all in vain. I don’t think the axis of evil want Musharraf to be tried in a court of law, and why only Musharraf? Why not the whole gang of thugs?
@Nota, I am reproducing parts of the article you quoted for the sake of facilitating discussion.
U.S. Does Not Invade Sovereign Countries, Mullen
“Al Qaeda” rebuttal:
Taukeer
Hang on a minute! they (“Al Qaeda”) need not bother! The “General” can do it for them instead. Hilarious stuff.
“Al Qaeda could strike the US from FATA therefore the top objective of the current US strategy was to defeat it, ……. Washington did not have any troops on ground in Pakistan chasing the Taliban.
So US fights its enemy by posting them flowers delivered by predator drones instead. Installing its stooges as heads of states. Penetrating every “viable” institution, bribing or browbeating it into submission. Any military commander worth the name would tell you that a key requirement for a sustained insurgency movement is local support. If Al Qaeda was based in FATA and all Afghans were lining the streets with flowers and kisses for the “liberators” then why are scumbags falling like flies. But on the other hand FATA includes Helmund and all the other trouble spots. My mistake!
“We have had trainers there for a significant period of time to train their trainers, which is [an] ongoing support function that is actually moving in the right direction’ …….. some of the US troops were special forces and some were general purpose troops.”
So Mr “General” US special troops work in hundreds of thousands! Like a swarm of locust! Regrading training the trainers you mean corrupting to the core a chosen few and placing them at every conceivable position of control.
“One of the things that has happened in Pakistan in recent months and weeks is the Pakistani military – really in response to the people of Pakistan – [and] the government of Pakistan [have] taken the threat against them very, very seriously.”
Poor people of pakistan manipulated by the NGOs, a for sale media, and a corrupt to the core and criminal stooges manipulated into postions of control as outlined above. Mr “General” have the decency of at least not laying the Pakistani Army’s atrocities at the doorstep of honorable People of Pakistan. But then you might not understand the word decency and I can’t think of an American alternative.
“I think at some point [in the] long-term, they [Taliban] become part of the political process”.
You mean you might be able to buy, bribe, browbeat enough in their ranks a la PML-N and many other such organisation.
“Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) had to change its strategic thrust in the long run, which, had been to foment chaotic activity you know in its border countries”.
So you want ISI to shift its focus from external threats to the “real enemy” the people of Pakistan and those who obstruct your agenda.
My suggestion Mr “General”, DREAM ON!
@ Nota & Observer
Sorry dun agree with that, every accused have a right to counsel who can defend him/her with all their potential and to the best of their ability vigorously. This is same crap lawyers pulled when they beat up Naeem Bukhari and threw color on that retard qasoori. If we talking abt rule of law then lets implement it both ways. If Mushy is accused then he has a right to counsel and subverting this right is a criminal act. I hope that Bar associations take a note of that and implement severe penalities against anyone subverting this right of an accused. And dun temme its cuz its Mushy, I dun care how many laws he has broken 2 wrong dun make a right.
@Afzaal
In principle I agree with you, but on the other hand there is every reason to send the right message to a future wannabe dictators/rapists that it is extremely hard to escape justice. If you take hard measure you will not be treated mercifully. Had I been a lawyer I would NEVER defend scum of the earth like Musharraf, but stay cool. I am sure one Aitezaz, Qasoori, Naeem Bukhari or another thug lawyer will “rise to the occasion” and defend the creature called Musharraf.
Btw: I do not agree that to blacken the face of Qasoori is the same crap as to rape a whole nation. The first is quite harmless and the second is deadly!
So by denying them cousel and vigorous defence we sending the msssg that they will not be treated mercifully? No by doing this we sending the message jis ki lathee oski bhains. Might is right, yesterday u had power so u did all the unlawful things today we have it so will do wat we please and to hell with ur constitutional rights. That just showing the whole public and reinforcing the idea he who has gold makes the golden rules.
We have to strive for the rule of law, and with only rule of law we can clean the society. The moral superiority should be the power not the laThee in the hand of any tom,dick and harry. Otherwise some years later that same scum becomes shaheed
“Might is right, yesterday u had power so u did all the unlawful things today we have it so will do wat we please and to hell with ur constitutional rights”
No, I did not say that. Read my post again.
I said to blacken Qasoori ugly face is NOT the same crap as to rape a whole nation. There is a hell of a difference.
Apart from that I said that you are right in principle about allowing Musharraf to have a lawyer, BUT at the same time I said that I (personally) would NEVER defend him, and that has nothing to do with “might is right”. I don’t think it is illegal for a lawyer to say “no thanks” to a job.
its not and I agree every lawyer has a right to decline to anyone he/she wants. My argument is the thuggery of the bar associations who are using coercive methods to pressure lawyers not to represent Mushy, or anyone for that matter.
PML – N on track 2 weeks another scandal.
Supporters Punjab Revenue Minister allegedly torture policemen
here are some of the gems by PML – N Senior Minister Mr. Raja Riaz
Mr. Minister Sir can I do that right on ur head to show my happiness and appreciation that ur a minister. U dumb ass moron!!!!
@afzaalkhan Raja Riaz is a PPP minister. Not that it matters but I thought I ought to correct the record.
@Taukeer
You are right that he is a PPP minister, but in the real world that is only a game of letters. PPP and PML-N are two sides of the same coin. The PPP folks worships BB (Benazir Bhutto)and the other team worships BB (Butt Brothers). Let’s find some middle ground and call both B-teams
ROFL – Ok someone needs to be spanked 4 this lol, the link is below but the gem from the story come from the composing dept of Geo lol.
Revenue Minister Ishaq defies police allegations
eh, minister wat is the way u like care to elaborate lol
A must read for the “O Bummer” fans!
This just gets better and better, I mean these retards can’t get the real culprits so they gonna take in custody the guy whom they were hailing as peacemaker, whom the govt admitted has never lifted the gun against state and is vehemently opposed to arm struggle. Then they wonder why Talibaan and extremism gets holds in the society. Sheer Madness. And bravo to security agencies for realizing after month and half that guy is residing in Peshawar.
Maulana Sufi Muhammad, sons, apprehended in Peshawar
can someone tells me which party this moron belongs to.
Haji Muhammad Ishaq of PPP
Just do a google search boss. Simple!
ki mere qatal ke baad osnay jafa se tauba
hai os zood pasheemaan ka pasheeman hona
Martial law imposed on Nov 3, admits Sher Afghan
Report: Little Genius Baber Iqbal sets a new record as the youngest MCTS –
God bless u son, keep going Pakistan zindabad
Taliban issues code of conduct
@admin
Thanks for the kashmir protests pics like the caption on the slide show.
Kashmir Protests
Oh may be because Reshma is too ill and perhaps not fit to survive long. I think its ok keeping in view her health condition.
hasan nisar will call u anti-cultural, baboons :p
excellent article
An excellent decision by govt, good job
Govt to provide legal aid to indigent persons
This is just incredible. Islami jamhooriya pakistan. Lanat PML-N par
Yeh kaam PMLN ney credit card scandal mein bhi kiya but the other party did not surrender. I know the card owner’s family. They were offered a big amount to withdraw the case but they refused to.
How did Shumaila get the credit card?
Did she steal it?
Rana sahib this is the qualification criteria for Member of National or provincial assembly. Plz read condtions # 3 – 6. Now u know wat to do.
According to Article 113 of the Constitution, the qualifications for membership in the National Assembly set forth in Article 62 of the Constitution also apply for membership to the Provincial Assembly. Thus, a member of the Provincial Assembly:
3 – must be of good character and not commonly known as one who violates Islamic injunctions;
4 – must have adequate knowledge of Islamic teachings and practices obligatory duties prescribed by Islam as well as abstains from major sins;
5 – must be sagacious, righteous, non-profligate, and honest;
6 – must have never been convicted for a crime involving moral turpitude or for giving false evidence;
http://connecttheworld.blogs.cnn.com/
Read this and comment too.
Will Bar Associations disbar these lawyers? Will SC takes sumoto action against these lawyers?
If PML – N can do badmashi so can we
But But our govt said we won a major diplomatic breakthrough and we freinds with india this is not fair
Indian policy on Pak unchanged: Sonia
The Indian policy towards Pakistan will never change with a weak and corrupt leadership at the helm of affairs – be it the Bhutto or Butt team.
And Lawyers prove once again is mulk main jis ki laThee oski bhains.
Well Done Assam – Pak Military can learn something from this.
This is one of the best articles by one of my fav writers Matt Taibbi.
The Great American Bubble Machine
Ghunda gardi zindabad
Whoaa would love to hear this recording – LOL
Reversal of Nov 3 verdict gets through Justice Dogar
U can feature the blog here, I think admin should look at new theme which will allow people to blog themselves.
Should we invade USA anyone remember the hoopla over Buddha’s statue in Afghanistan
U.S. troops accused of damaging Babylon’s ancient wonder
Love this reasoning
oh yaar SC ko khayal nahi aiwain he shoor macha daita hai kab se waiting decision suna bhi do:(
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