Zardari ki Mast Mast Mastian
Read Shahid Masood’s Jiye Bhutto – Further exposing Zardari & Co
Tariq Ali has a scathing piece chronicling some of the “Kharmastiyaan” of our “honourable” president. A good read I say. Some damning accusations ranging from open nepotism, corruption to the murder of Benazir Bhutto.
Some of the juicy titbits from the article.
Nepotism & Corruption
…..Take the case of Mr X, who owns one of the country’s largest banks. He got a call. Apparently the president wanted to know why his bank had sacked a PPP member soon after Benazir Bhutto’s fall in the late 1990s. X said he would find out and let them know. It emerged that the sacked clerk had been caught with his fingers literally in the till. President’s House was informed. The explanation was rejected. The banker was told that the clerk had been victimised for political reasons. The man had to be reinstated and his salary over the last 18 years paid in full together with the interest due. The PPP had also to be compensated and would expect a cheque (the sum was specified) soon. Where the president leads, his retainers follow. Many members of the cabinet and their progeny are busy milking businessmen and foreign companies. ‘If they can do it, so can we’ is a widely expressed view in Karachi, the country’s largest city. Muggings, burglaries, murders, many of them part of protection rackets linked to politicians, have made it the Naples of the East.
American Tuttoo
…..I left Islamabad on 1 July, a day before the Independence Day party held by the US ambassador, Anne Patterson. Probably the most heavily guarded event in the global social calendar, this is the modern equivalent of the viceroy’s garden parties in old New Delhi. The leaders of the political, military and economic elite jostle with each other and with favoured journalists for the attention of the ambassador. Observers note that Patterson spent more time talking to X from Baluchistan than to Y from Peshawar. Might this mean that the frontline is going to be shifted to Baluchistan? Less important guests peer over heads and shoulders to see who else is present so that they can determine the pecking order of flattery.
Patterson can be disarmingly frank. Earlier this year, she offered a mid-term assessment to a visiting Euro-intelligence chief. While Musharraf had been unreliable, saying one thing in Washington and doing its opposite back home, Zardari was perfect: ‘He does everything we ask.’ What is disturbing here is not Patterson’s candour, but her total lack of judgment. Zardari may be a willing creature of Washington, but the intense hatred for him in Pakistan is not confined to his political opponents. He is despised principally because of his venality. He has carried on from where he left off as minister of investment in his late wife’s second government. Within weeks of occupying President’s House, his minions were ringing the country’s top businessmen, demanding a share of their profits.
Zardari guilty in Benazir’s assassination?
…….For several months now, wild and unsubstantiated rumours linking Zardari to his wife’s death have swept the country. A woman I know who was once very close to Benazir is convinced that there is some truth in them and is much irritated by my scepticism. She provided me with an account, which, if true, would require Asifa Zardari, the couple’s younger daughter, to give evidence in court against her father. The same story has been repeated to me by many others, none of them paranoid or given to thoughts of conspiracy. Stranger things have happened in the country, but I remain unconvinced. What is interesting is not that these tales circulate, but the number of people who believe them – which indicates how the widower is generally regarded.
These rumours came into the open at the end of June, when the head of the Bhutto clan, Mumtaz Ali Bhutto, chairman of the Sind National Front, publicly accused Zardari at a press conference, alleging that ‘the killer of Murtaza Bhutto had also murdered Benazir . . . Now I am his target. A hefty amount has been paid to mercenaries to kill me.’ (Zardari is generally regarded as having ordered his brother-in-law Murtaza’s death. Shoaib Suddle, the police chief in Karachi, who organised the operation that led to Murtaza Bhutto’s death, has now been promoted and is head of the Intelligence Bureau.) Mumtaz Bhutto demanded an inquiry into Benazir’s assassination and pooh-poohed attempts by Washington and its local satraps to blame the crime on the TTP leader, Baitullah Mahsud. Bhutto predicted that Zardari and his cronies would soon be convicted of corruption or forced to flee the country, but this is wishful thinking, and assumes a great deal, including a shift in US policies.
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Tu cheez bari hai mast mast qasam sey tu cheez bari hai mast….
Sorry have been away. Let me repeat the question I keep asking friends.
WHAT IS THE SOLUTION?
Having had access to someone who was very close to BB during her 2 administrations- BB’s political demise in her own view was due to the shenanighans of her husband and even though she did go along with him she was aware of who she had married.
What is the solution ?
Is this a disease or a tumor that can be treated or surgically excised ?
More later
Shimatoree
This is only partially true.
Tu khuda ka noor hai
aqal hai shaoor hai
qaum tere saath hai
tere he wajood se
mulk ki nijaat hai
tu hia mehr-e-subh-e-noo
tere baad raat hai
boltey jo chand hain
sab yeh sharpasand hain
inki kheench lay zabaan
inka ghoont day gala
Malignant and aggressive but won’t kill at least for some time.
@nota
I am at loss. I just cannot believe that people want to be deceived by non cunning Butt Brothers. Off course the elder is more “plain” than the younger one, but nevertheless they are by no mean cunning. They don’t possess the intellect to be at that level. It is mere criminal minds working.
“Aap Panch Saal Pooray Karain. Aap ko hamari full support hai!”
Aur is key baad ham (Butt Brothers) paaNch saal pooray KareiN ge aur phir aap loog dostana mahool barkarar rakhna PAK politics meiN…….bari bari looteyN gay.
“Aap Panch Saal Pooray Karain. Aap ko HARAMI full support hai!”
lol
He, he…That is the right term for PML-N support programme.
SOLUTION?
SHOOT AT SIGHT…
Altaf Kaliya ki khidmat hasil ki jaeyn but what about Kaliya himself? He is a bigger crook.
Zardari
“Na Tu khuda ka noor hai
aqal hai Na shaoor hai”
Bechari Qoom ka kiya Kasoor hai!
For a moment I just read “Kaliya is a bigger crook and here is the response I was going to fire off”!!!! (Altaf is a small time crook who could only manage shanty town Karachi! Apologies to shanty town dwellers! Just a bit pissed off.)
What is the man on the street thinking. If they are still ready to bear ZPP then I am afraid there is no immediate solution till such time that their opinion is changed.
Maybe my question should have been how do we mold their opinion. I know some of us think that it is a near impossible task but will that make us give it up.
@shimatoree Great Avatar! Looks like the Tiger is roaring!!!
I thought it was a sign of Shimatoree being a PML-N “supporter” ….Just joking Mr. Shimatoree.
One can have a tiger like heart if one speaks the truth (Shimatoree is one of them), but PML-N/Butt Brothers can never have a tiger like heart by showing their friendly opposition in the jungle of PAK politics…no way!
Btw: A tiger wouldn’t flee from the jungle when attacked by a so called “commando hyena” and that too by having the tail between the legs
On top of that Mr. “Commando hyena” has fled too with the tail between the legs. It would be more correct to say it is a planned escape route engineered by the criminal troika (PPP/US/UK) to safe havens in a country which boasts of supporting “democratic values”. They have shown their true colors by having both a former dictator and a criminal animqmal Altaf Katta under their roof…bvaaadrrr….To hell with such “democratic values”.
The problem with the life of surgeon is that it is not one’s own- his life belongs to the patients some of whom have a nasty habit of placing demands at the most difficult of times. No wonder most children of surgeons who grow up decide NOT to be surgeons as this one problem of not having one’s own life under one’s own control.
So much for complaints and laments. Now to the matter at hand-
I am sure no one here is shocked with Tariq Ali’s article. Every PANI PHULAH seller in Pakistan knows more than that. It juts seems that PML-N and their great leader with his transplanted hair are the ones who seems not to know or do not want to know.
As a surgeon- I would have preffered that Nawaz Shareef had a BRAIN transplant instead of hair transplant.
But you know he was rejected by the DONOR committee of the ORANGUTANGS.
You see the Orangutans have a basic rule for donating their brain for some one. And that rule is that the recipient must have 2 qualities of the Orangutans so that the new brain does not feel out of place.
And those 2 qualities are-
1. The recipient must be at least half as smart as a menstruating Orangutan Female.
2.That the recipient have a little courage and character of a pregnant orangutan female.
On both counts the great leader of PML-N came up short !
On BB and Zardari-
BB was an intelligent, educated female but suffered from the one disease that most women in Pakistan suffer from- she simply did not have the guts to DUMP Zardari even though she wanted to and knew that if she was to have any political future of the highest kind- Zardari had to go. But to take the step was not in her and so she carried the MONKEY on her back on and on. It was her albatross around her neck.
I have often wondered why all these ” leaders ” who get into positions of power do not want to make themselves IMMORTAL by doing the right stuff. ZAB, BB, NS, Musharraf, Zardari have the power- why don’t they do the right things. Our people are MURDA PARAST anyway- and if these guys did the good deed- well their dead bodies will live for ever in the MAZARS and their spirits in the hearts of the people and that is more than any amount of money.
To, OBSERVER
I tried other IMAGEs but since I aod not have the time nor the knowledge of IT- I just accepted the TIGER but my Tiger is a loner and does not share anything at all with the “SHER” of PML-N. Sorry but you guys are stuck with me.
@Shimatoree
“SHER” of PML-N.
Yes, a “sher” like “Tony The Tiger”
“Sorry but you guys are stuck with me.”
It’s a pleasure
Zardari is favorite choice of some people to link him with conspiracies and baseless allegations; It is really unfortunate dat in last 10 years, anti- Zardari and anti -Pakistan elements have continuously made unsuccessful attempts to attach fascinated stories with President Asif ali Zardari but in vain. Nothing has ever been prooved against him. Zardari is not yes man to USA, he decides and guides PPP federal government in best interest of Pakistan .Assassination of his wife is not a joke. UNO Commission probing murder of BB, moreover involvement of bait-ullah Mehsud in murder of BB has been confirmed by many rival Taliban factions. I feel pity for anti- Zardari elements that they could not succeed in their mission by launching a forceful campaign against Popular leadership of PPP.
Shaheena welcome to Sohnidhurti.com.
So you think Zardari is innocent? You think BB’s murder was definitely Mehsud’s job? Wonderful.
Why are we wasting time and money on UN investigation when we already know the outcome?
FYI many cases not only proved against him including the Swiss and Surrey Palace cases but he was also convicted .It was Mushurraf who, to remain in power, gave us the gift of NRO and as a result we have to endure the torture of seeing Zardari as Pakistan’s president. What an unfortunate country Pakistan is.
BTW who did you call “popular leadership of PPP”?
@shaheena
Fair enuff but won’t u agreee ke rai hotee hia to phahar banta hai aur chinagree hotee hai to dhuwaan uthta hai? Zardari was implicated in Mir Murtaza Bhutto’s murder and the corruption cases haven’t been unproven thanks to NRO? Everyone knows the Avari tower scandal. Qts though is Rehman Malik who was the incharge of security of Bibi is now the Interior minister? This guy couldn’t protect Bibi and now incharge of all Pakistan safety. His role in BIBI murder has not bene investigated instead he is being rewarded so daal main kuch to kala hai.
As far as ppl support for Zardari goes, I wouldn’t count on it, trust me was a time when whole Pakistan was going on mard-e-momin mard-e-huq zia ul huq zia ul huq
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@shaeena you are welcome.
I don’t feel like piling up but then again I will excuse my etiquettes for the moment and just say wake up sis!
@shimatoree pls don’t mind Observer! He is just jealous.
Coming back to the topic at hand Zardari is a pathetic little pawn who is his own worst enemy. He is will be dumped as soon as the “Masters” find the next stooge, which could be very soon! For details just refer to this comment about the modus operandi of the “Masters”.
@nota I just came back to add a few things but you had pre-emptied me!
oh bhay jaan where art thou admin asked an article on criminal silence of NS and PML -N. E-mail me or contact me on msn plz.
ccome on guys no need to call names.Difference of opinion should be allowed and countred with rational responses.
@nota
Checkyour yahoo mail and do what I suggested yourself please.
On the battle of Karbala – Yazeed amd Shimmer et al are to blame but more to blame were those that stood idle and in an abstract sense have stood idle to this day whenever a situation arises where evil must me called evil and resisted.
In this group we must place the PML-N and it’s leader- leader and not leaders since the party is essentially a two man show-(NS and SS)-
The Musharraf issue that has been raised recently is though real is untimely and appears to be heading towards the ” Yahoo” ” so what ” ending. The screaming 2nd tier politicos of NS about hanging etc have no other issue left without toppling the apple cart that they secretly share with the crook of crooks a la presidente . NS is being dubbed as the most popular leader in Pakistan to-day. I would suggest this too is a creation of the propaganda machine of NS and PML-N.
Can we or for that matter anyone do anything to first stop the current deterioration ?
I feel and this is just a feeling that the only powerhouse that can is unwilling and will remain unwilling till disaster is just about there . Meanwhile the crook of crooks and his cronies-( ANP MQM JUI-F etc) are raking in money in gobbles as though there was no tomorrow and for them there IS NO tomorrow as once this rampant larceny ends- they would either be dead or be gone to greener pastures of Europe and North America.
What will be left- Imran will have an impossible task and will have to try to fix it some how – perhaps at the head of revolution of sorts. I know this will place me in cage of Imran or Taliban Khan’s admirers but I am just describing what I FEEL-( not know )- is coming.
Oh ! yes I would like to say to Shaheena-
“Your tears are for those beyond tears” Bhagwat Gita
wow what a reception Ms Shaeena!!!!
I suppose you understand how popular Mr Z is with the public!
BTW I can tell you the gory details of the “royal” couple’s visit to an European capital narrated by none other then the protocol officers of the foreign office (first hand info!)
As a Pakistani all I want is good of the country no matter who delivers it. My criticism of your favorite “leadership” is the “supine” posture. (I would have preferred more colorful language but looks like admin is on the prowl!!!!) LOL
Doc…Let Shaheena come back and defend it…God knows kahan gaye…
@Afzaal
Your defense of ” opinions” expressed by Shaheena for Zardari IRKS me quite a bit.
If the idea is to ” give a pass” to stuff like that-
then pray tell me what was the purpose of making this web log.
The same stuff was rampant on PKpolitics under the pseudo rule of freedom of expression and tolerance – sort of like the “MUFAHMAT” of Nawaz Shareef and PML-N.
What Shaheena said in her comment -she can believe with all her heart but if she places that opinion of hers here where ” TIGERS” prowl- well we refuse to accept falsifications of any kind under the fassad of civility and politeness . What she said is false and without any merit .Zardari is a well known crook and thief and a scoundrel .
I would go even further. She must withdraw her adulation of a criminal and murderer.
@mayoos I am just inviting a response for discussion.
As you will see from my comments earlier on I don’t want to dwell on Mr Z. I JUST WANT TO THINK OF SOLUTION!
@shaeena no hard feelings I am sure you mean well and I respect your right to hold the opinion you do. But I am afraid you will have to defend it!
@shimatoree
I have already replied to Shaheena asking same qts, my objection was to calling names that admin has removed now. All I was saying right or wrong opinion every one is entitle to one. Thats the problem with opinion like u know wat everyone have them. So counter them with debate and counterpoints with civil lingo;)
isi chotey admi se u ki BIBI did the deal, NRO ke badley presidency, and can PPP temme what they ahve done to bring this man to court, oh yeah I remember now Guard of honor. LOL
Afzaal
When the issue is intellectual dishonesty of the extreme
When the issue is complete immorality and deception
When the issue is planned murder of possible political opponents
When the issue is taking food away from the poor by stealing resources from the country-
Then extremism in language is justified and-
if not – then pray tell me
Should my comment on Karbala apply.
The people of Pakistan have been robbed by this man Zardari. Yes they have been robbed by others too but the others are not president now. They are not in a position to steal at this very moment but He is and he is stealing. Just ask the Industrialists.
So for a commentator to say that NOTHING is PROVEN- is ludicrous and disingenuous .
And not to call a spade a spade is equally dishonest and disingenuous.
I am not indulging in a diatribe for nothing. For me there are no scared cows in this political arena in Pakistan to-day and I will continue to use whatever limited language skills I have -to try to pummel anyone and everyone who claims to be an advocate for the crooks and thieves that rule Pakistan to-day.
I think ur misunderstanding me, by all means call zardari or anyone by any name u want. I was saying if someone like zardari and they say so by all means counter them but do we need to be abusive toward the person who is saying that? Why can’t we argue without being abusive?
@shimatoree Looks like the Tiger is in GALAL.
But Tiger you have to come up with a solution! Is Imran Khan the sloution. Does he have the intellect to lead a revolution? I am not saying he does not. I am a bit disappointed that he has bogged down. Now is the time for him to be making headway in NWFP and Punjab but I have not heard very encouraging news.
Th politics of interior Sindh revolves around “Sain”. And “Sain’s” politics revolves around establishment. They will join in any revolution when it happens! Baluchistan will be a “similarish” story. But the real people’s power politics will happen in Punjab, Karachi and NWFP. Maybe a coalition of Pakhtun, JI and PTI will break the strangle hold of MQM on Karachi.
So ideally what one would be expecting was for PTI to start making headway in Punjab and NWFP. They should be replacing PPP as the second party in every constituency. But I don’t see evidence of that happening. There seems to be a political stagnation.
There are three mechanisms of a revolution.
1. Civil War
2. Military intervention
3. A political process of some sort.
Given our geopolitical location we cant afford a civil war. Provoking a civil war will let loose so many unknowns and will provide so many opportunities to the enemy that a revolution will easily be snuffed out. We have tried Military interventions. Remember even the poor got a “taste of sweet” whenever a military intervention happened and despite our fantasies it always ended in tears. That leaves us a political process of some sort. I firmly believe a revolution is possible within the framework of the present political process and only when the support for the revolution reaches critical mass will there be an opportunity for the revolutionaries to act.
If anyone has an alternative in mind please educate me and many others! @Observer you want to have a go?
@nota “Can we afford a Zardari govt?”
I think there is always a “cZar” at the foot of the hill that leads to a revolution. So I don’t think a Zardari govt. is a bad thing in the grand scheme of things. It exposes the excesses of the “haves”. It makes the sheep realise that they have no choice but to go for the kill.
Regarding radical solutions, they happen without anyone’s permission. No one in a position of authority permits a revolution. When you seek permissions of the powers that be 16th March happens. At least we learnt that. Next time we will not make that mistake.
Thank God for Zardari the next opportunity is just around the corner!
@Afzaal
I thought I was very civil and did not use the language that one finds at PKP.
wasnt talking abt u was talking in general
Taukeer
Any political movements are evolutionary processes- PTI is not exception. Imran has started a party of sorts and I hoper it will go in the right direction but it does not mean that Imran will be at the helm when it reaches the destination. Young men and women are on the rise in the thought process mode and it is they who will determine what happens and when it happens. The largest accumulation of young men is in the armed forces and they are as smart as anyone on the outside. If they decide-( and they will) to go either alone or with others- then the goose is cooked.
I will again repeat what I have known for some time. Musharraf brought the Coup in 1999 to escape the wrath of the younger officers of the army after the Kargil withdrawl and transfer that anger towards PML-N-( and rightly so)- but that generation of the younger army officers are still there and they have not forgotten nor forgiven Musharraf first for using them and then for betraying them-( 9/11 surrender)-.
That is why I shall stick my neck out and say if Musharrf is brought back- the Army WILL not save him.
We must not under estimate the restoration of CJ Iftikhar and the adulation that the common man gave to him.
Do not forget that in 120 degrees F heat villagers waited for days in the sun just to see one glimpse of this wonderful IKON of hope and justice for the people. The train journey has started and we ain’t stopping.
Those that are trying to find excuses for and doing MUFAHMAT with the Crooks like Zardari better take notice. We are coming and we ain’t stoppin for nothin. Either come along or you will be over run.
As to technical and logistical aspects like Punjab or NWFP or Sindh or Blauchistan- in revolutions these things do not matter.
@shimatoree
I admire your optimism, a sure sign of a revolutionary. Yes the revolution is unstoppable. What is yet to be determined is wether we will be part of it or not. I am a little greedy and want it to be our generation that brings it about. Yes I admire those who marched through the sweltering heat of june 2008 and maybe that is one reason I usually go easy on Aitzaz Ahsan (grudgingly).
What I disagree however with is that PML-N was responsible for the Kargil debacle. It was purely Mushy and a clique of morons that came up with the idea, making the usual mistake military men make of underestimating the enemy. They compounded the poor strategic planning with the usual Pakistani establishment’s delusion of maintaining denyability of the operation. Yes PML-N was responsible for not taking the situation into it’s control once the cover was blown. Their reluctance was due to lack of “balls” and not being able to telling the morons, (read Generals) to back off till a more opportune moment. They were also fearful of what eventually happened, loosing public support and thus providing the morons an opportunity to overthrow the government. ( Let me admit here that I was not entirely displeased on 12th Oct 1999. Even though I remember my dad disagreeing and almost predicting to the letter the mistakes the morons would commit over the next Ten years.)
Just a little digression, there will never be a negotiated settlement of Kashmir issue. It will be resolved soon after the revolution when the masses of Kashmir see their compatriots across the line of control take their destiny into their hands. The only negotiation that will take place will be reminiscent of the negotiations between Gen. Niazi and his Indian counterpart with a role reversal.
Regarding the Army officers again I beg to differ, I am not entirely sure they will be capable of providing the leadership of the revolution. Those who felt betrayed by Kargil were leading the charge on behalf of their “Chief”. I remember having a discussion with someone in the know those days and their insistence that Musharaf was the best thing that happened to Pakistan and mankind!!! So much for their anger. Infact a “former” ISI fellow argued with me for hours and I can still see him sitting with a sullen face when he could not support his point and fortunately for him that was even before 9/11 otherwise I would have insisted upon him to commit harakiri. (Not to worry I will insist when / if I came across him again.)
Regarding the “Mufahimat” I agree with you there are some who are reformable and potentially can have a role in the revolution. They are already treated as outcasts and on the fateful day will facilitate the revolution but most of them will yet again miscalculate and think they are indispensable and fall from grace.
This is like a video game. There are only so many political lifes you could afford to use up but they learn not from hose who have gone before them and think they will survive because they are different!
On the whole I agree with the overall gist of your comment.
Oh no not Kargil again lol.
I would love to see the comission on that debacle. I would love to know did we succeed on pure military aspect and if wat am told is correct the operation militarily wise was a success. Since possession is 9/10th of law. I wonder why we withdrew and in process lost so many of our brave soldiers. I would love if someone can point me to some information abt Kargil. Hopefully a correct one.
@ nota further to Zardari’s role in provoking the revolution I just came across Sarzameen’s post from the Members News & Views section.
I nearly missed it and I am reproducing it for other’s benefit.
Tamasker Say Inqalab Tak
Taukeer-
A disease – any disease starts with one or perhaps two symptoms.
So in Pakistan- the Taliban movement is a symptom -
of resentment against the oppresion of the few westernized elite and their imposition of westoxication on the lives of the people .
Of resentment against the injustice and inequality in economic opportunity and educational opportunity.
This symptom is real and history is repeating itself again as the armed forces are being used to manitain the status quo ante just like it happened in all preamble to revolutions.
Each and every revolution is unique and has it’s own dynamics and it’s own evolution over a period of time.
Now what is going to happen in Pakistan – I do not know but the people will rise- in what form and whose head will roll I do not know- But I would tell the Musharrafs and Nawaz Shareefs and the Zardaris to run away and hide in far off places because there will be no place for them in Pakistan.
NOTA is correct that the process will be less than pretty but that will take care of itself in time. Who will ride this TIGER to oblivion or who will ride to nirvana – only time will tell but good luck guys- it will be interesting.
@nota
and I tot China was socialist paradise the worker’s heaven. I see u have gone to dark side;) anti-capitalist :p
I am reposting these comments here….probably they would suffer moderation at pk politics
“I don’t think its the job of PFUJ to sit a judge on its Journalists.
PFUJ stands for protection and rights of Journalists.
Judging its members means PFUJ is ready to divide itself within the pro and against journalists.
I don’t know whats the intentions of pk politics…hopefully not cheap publicity.”
its PML-N attack dog, Klausra was going after PML-N so they let thier attack dog pkpol go after them on bogus claims of corruptiion
PKP is also suffering. There are several people raising the question about PKP’s role.
who is running pkp? anyone knows?
PML – N
@Shimatoree & Taukeer
“Imran has started a party of sorts and I hoper it will go in the right direction but it does not mean that Imran will be at the helm when it reaches the destination.”
PTI is moving in the right direction and have highlighted the right issues, which are vital for the survival and progress of the nation. The process is slow, but how can that be different. The level of corruption is so big. It takes time to get people back on track again. I am sure it will happen, but at times one can have doubts, when people flip-flop from one party to another. Last time they jumped back to BB (Benazir Bhutto) party and now people are eager to jump to another BB party (Butt Brothers). I fail to understand why people so easily can be fooled by such crooks. IMO they ain’t so smart that they can fool a sea of people
…….BUT I still have confidence that the tables will be turned one day, inshallah!
My personal opinion about IK is that in spite of all his shortcomings he is the ONLY person whom I would trust to give the leadership of the country. Not because he is a genius, but because he is sincere, have strong arguments stands tall on vital issues in spite of being ridiculed and called unwanted names like Taliban Khan. He deserves better than that from these lousy people!
As mentioned he is no genius. He lack in oratory skills. He is maybe not very good to organise a party, he doesn’t have big numbers of people behind him, but still I would support him because he is the sole person representing my voice.
I agree with Shimatoree that IK has started a party unseen in the new history of Pakistan. PTI will reach the destination, maybe with someone else at the leading post in the party. Maybe someone who is even more appropriate to poses the ultimate post in Pakistan.
On Enterpreneurs and capitalism-
Production of goods requires work and materials along with energy.
Since the state has abdicated it’s responsibilities in most places to Enterpreneurs who run MINI states to manufacture goods by USING workers and their energy. The profit that is made is the siphoned off surplus energy of the workers as the costs of everything are fixed due to economic factors.
In return the workers get a smidgen of their toil as pay and whatever other benefits.
I often call the workers at my office and at the hospitals SLAVES- because they are just that. As compared with real old fashioned slaves where the slaves got only food- now the modern slave does not get food but paper money with which they can buy some food and other things.
No as a matter of FACT nothing has changed. How do you suppose the enterpreneurs become millionaires and billionaires ?
Guess what they take the SURPLUS hard work of the working slaves.
Since there are too many SLAVES- they can be used selectively in smaller favoured groups by the use of mini rewards while others can be left to wither away. Sort of LET THEM EAT CAKE scenario !
If I was a capitalist and I am not- I would want to first reduce the number of the slaves( less breeding ! )- and treat the rest of them well. Wullah ! I would also run for office and win too.
So now that we have established the KINDERGARDEN economics of capitalism-
let me ask you Afzaal – which DARK side are you talking about ?
More Later .
Starwars any one.
Luke I am ur father Luke. May the force be with u.
Hello starwars, Yoda. Thats dark side.
Nota-
Thanks for concentrating
@mayoos-paki
Well tell me who is innocent in this world….u??? Its u only who knows the outcome of BB’s murder case, but present government want to avoid political revenge that’s why it asked UNO to investigate BB’s murder case. Zardari remained in Jail for 9 years, all the cases were made against him in Nawaz Sharif’s regime n all of dem proven wrong…… isn’t it so??? Did Zardari became President of Pakistan through NRO or he was elected?????? Come on u wake up plzz….
@shaheena
but isn’t Nawaz Sharif Zardari’s muh bola brother? awwwww…shoooo shweeet hai na? Zardari became president through NRO 101%…how did he manage to come back to Pakistan and be eliglble to contest? NRO…else the constitution of Pakistan does not allow any criminal to be our president. One criminal Mushy, to secure his seat, gave NRO to another criminal…..but the second criminal was smarter…woh pehley ko nigal gaya…..I think its about time you guys ask the bastard(I am using a polite word)to explain why did he stop BB’s postmortem….ask the crook to tell the name of the murderer he claims he knows…he sees him everyday in the mirror while shaving…lol…Shaheena its about time you guys wake up…BB k janey k baad PPP k saray mard bhi auratain bun chukay hain warna yeh manhoos party per qabza na ker sakta….BB ki rooh sey tau sharminda ho PPP walo….
BTW as compare to Zardari even Iblees was innocent….
Nota-
If I was a capitalis-( and Iam not)- I would be against abortion of any kind and against ” forced” sterilizations. One method that comes to mind right off the BAT is EDUCATION!
But that by itself will not do much because then the capitalistic dogma can simply be changed to ” educated Slaves ” with the very same rules of using slave labour to increase profits and the educated slaves fighting for the few slots.
But I would be trying to think and figure out some way or manner which would lead to ” less breeding” because like it or not- the biggest problem facing Pakistan , India , China etc etc to-day is reducing resources vs. lots of people. This is the REAL pandoars Box and everyone at least in Pakistan avoids that-( Politicians that is )-
I have to go to a meeting 7 hours by driving and come back the next day 7 hours by driving- so more later as I got to go.
whoooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa did i miss something? When did the discussion turned to “family Planning?”
kasrat-e-aulad ka nus_bandee hai wahid ilaj
yeh kahan tak hai munasib kia khayal hai apka?
sun kar molvi sahib hans kar boley aaey chotey miyaan
yeh tumhara tajruba hai ya tumharey baap ka
Tum chup rahoo sarak chaap shair…pehley kiya truck k peechay sher likhnay ka kaam kertey thay?
yeh tumhain truck ka shair lag raha hai, ufff is qaum se zouq uth gaya
whoooooooaaaaaaaaa. PPP ke jiyaloon yeh bhi parh lo;)
Dr Shahid Masood k saray gunah maaf ker deay mein ney aaj.
Mogambo khush hua….hahhhaahhhh….muhahahhahahah…..Shaheena helllo hello you there?
Afzaal
you have a problem with the issue of population ?
@shimatoree
I dun believe in family planning its against my religion
The issue of population explosion or increase is not the issue of family planning as that leave the onus on the family and it is not family PLANNING but the ability to see the problem to-day – let us take Pakistan only.
Bangladesh is gone 30 years ago- so you do not have to worry about them.
The issues of load shedding, wheat farming, water resources, getting drowned and burried in rubbish, Just to take ONE issue of refuse (shit and piss)-( no plans to process the refuse) and as yet creation of more shit and piss producing machines-( people and cattle) and due to no sanitation all the rampant water borne diseases such as hepatitis, gaster enteritis etc etc-( germs come from raw faeces deposited everywhere).
In a country that falsely CLAIMS to Islamic and by implication a heaven for ethical living-( Ha Ha )- people are breeding like rats and blaming God for it-( being his wish).
Yes this is a very unpleasent topic and not a SEXY and fashionable topic like Zardari, Nawaz Shareef and Musharraf- but this is where it is at and its like the whole country is going on a roller coaster down and no one wishes to be aware of it or even discuss it.
If everyone is able to convince just one person- it might help reduce load shedding by 10 % in the year 2050 !
@shimatoree
either way u put it u r basically saying that ppl should produce less children? I used the term family planning. Plz correct me if am wrong I want to understand b4 i reply to you on that fully meanwhile if u mean this then I have follwing ayat to ponder 4 u
Kill not your children, on a plea of want, we provide sustenance for you and for them (Q 6:151).
There is no creature on earth, but its sustenance depends on God. He knows its
habitation and its preservation (Q 11:6).
And whosoever is conscious of God, He will find a way out (of difficulty) for him, and He will provide for him in a manner beyond all expectations, and for every one that places their trust in God, He alone is sufficient (Q65:2-3).
@nota
Thank you. The population is not the problem its the selfishness of european that is the problem and its comes to them from Romans. Whole destroyed every culture through their military might and then called all innovations by the other cultures as theirs. Throughout human history whenever a race, culture become dominant they translated and passed along the knowledge of the culture, race they have replaced. Arabs become moores and used that to translate and pass the knowledge of greeks and thus ensured the progression of knowledge. When Europeans become dominant they never passed along the knowledge, the 1st time in civilized history after Romans the knowledge becomes a secret to be shared with people deemed allies or freinds the rest of the world only be to be exploited and given as lil knowledge as possible. Goal to 4ever keep thier dominance.
@nota
Banglades, India and China has tried it. Ek he to ghareeboon ki ayyashi hai jis par paisa nahi lagta os par bhi tumko masla
if u get me meaning lol.
Baba masla population ka nahi hai, wats the excuse in USA of poverty then? Its not education or development either its “qanaat”.
@afzaal
I would rather leave God out of this- as views of interpretation might be different.
You have said that this is the only FREE entertainment available to the poor. Do many people understand the end results of their FREE entertainment when more than 30 % women in India and Pakistan DIE or get crippled for life in childbirth .
Do you know that almost 100 % of women who have more than 3 children develop urinary incontinence – kidney infections- kidney failiurs- just to name one issue.
This is before the Nth child comes around. Of course we have yet to look at the stress that a large number of un-cared for children that puts on everyone- mostly on the poor.
Oh I can imagine that your entertainment theory will discount all these problems -( and many more). But the cost of this Free entertainment is not free at all.
Just go to Civil Hospital in Karachi and see for yourself in the OB- deptt as to what is happening. It is these same un-cared for children who provide the followers of Altaf Husain and Zardari and so on and so forth. You might say we should increase resources- from where ? Land space is limited . Water is limited.
First one needs to accept that a problem exists and just by denying it will not go away. Next you have to do something to solve the problem. The problem of OVER POPULATION is here. Just look at your great Friend China- last year alone they KILLED 18 Million infants-( abortion).
Pakistan with all it’s other problems of decietful leadership of crooks and thieves and scoundrals needs to start looking at this GARGANTUAN problem that is coming like a tseunami- and believe me it is already here.
@ shimatoree
and ur solution is wat? Ala china? Kill all children except one, or may be like India forced sterilization for dalits and muslims. Or like BD forced sterlization only for poor. How abt we just follow the natural course and all over population will be taken care of, i.e natural contraception, breast feeding.
As for ur assertion to leave religion out sorry, all my thought process is framed by my religion.
Afzaal
First you have to accept and admit the seriousness of this problem of population explosion and if I am reading your comments you are not doing that. Only then solutions can be commented upon.
I regret to say this that intellectual honesty and objectivity is a necessity for a thoughtful dialogue.
If you think and believe in breast feeding as what you call NATURAL contraception- then my commentary ENDS here for good.
@ shimatoree
Then we disagree on fundamental problem. I dun think overpopulation is the problem, i think the problem is qanaat. So we disagree on funadamental issue. Im willing to debate why its not if u want.
Afzaal
Being a Pushtoon and educated in English medium elite schools- I would like an explaination of the word QANAAT.
Qanaat = to be satisfied with little. As far as I can translate thats the best i can come up with.
yani baqool ghalib
“havas ko hai nishaat-e-kaar kia kai”
Afzaal
so many should be satisfied with little. That is fine but the problem is MANY have nothing or very little while some have a lot and they continue to take a lot more away from the many whose little becomes even more little. This would be against basic human nature where greed and envy does dominate esp: when others are not only having a lot but flaunting it too.
Take the example of Shaabaz Shareef’s son importing a siberian tiger. or any other such examples if you like.
Qanaat is fine but how will it solve the coming problem of pollution of the air and land with rubbish and chemicals which as you very well know is rampant and that is just the tip of the iceberg. The ethos that it is OK to pollute is the bigger problem.
In the villages where crops are grown- the insecticides and pesticides are sprayed by young boys and girls of poor parents without any protection of any kind-( with bare hands and bare feet and no breathing masks)- you can imagine the rest. This is being done knowingly that the absorption of the chemicals will harm the young people.
I think you get the point.
@shimatoree
how population explosion correlates with elites looting the land and doing all the craps? Sorry I dun understand ur argument. The pollution problem is made by our life style how reducing population will fix this if we just continue with the life style?
Plz forgive me but I dun understand ur argument. The debate was the population explosion is the problem cuz we have dwindling resources and I dun agree wuith that, eg Though accounting for only 5 percent of the world’s population, Americans consume 26 percent of the world’s energy. Clearly here the problem is not population but havas and waste of resources by USA, won’t u agree.
So plz explain to me how population is damaging the world. The example u gave abt pesticide is just a crude way, use of high doses of estrogen in poultry and feeds is causing problem all over the world resulting in early puberty in females and low productivity in males. Once again it has nothing to do with population but with consumption.
How over population is harming the world-
In Pakistan-and the world- problems of food and water
Problems of pollution- faeces, urine, garbage, chemicals into the water systems of rivers, lakes, aquafers etc.
Lack of adequate resources for education of the children of the coming generation- will lead to a substantial increase in disharmony and political upheaval and discord.
Shall I go on or leave the rest to your imagination.
@shimattoree
I understand wat u saying but i Fail to see how its becuase of too many children being borne? Problems of pollution are due to waste and ignorance dun matter if u have lower population number we will have same carbon impact might be more cuz we have more to waste