Members News & Views – August, 2009
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Saudi rebuffs US on improving ties with Israel
Thats wat needed finally some leadership by a muslim country.
Anyone knows about pakpoint.com??
U wnat that theme I can buy it?
No, in fact I like the theme of Sohnidhurti. I was just curious about that site and wanted to know the experience of some of the contributors here.
@admin
How do we get more contributors to this site. We are far too few to have proper debates!
Any ideas to increase the numbers?
I would ask you to start a new thread on this matter!
1st step dun advertise other sites on this site lol
dun know man advertise the site i guess.
Okaayyyy. I will refrain from that
But we need to talk about how to advertise for this site. What does admin prefer.
I don’t know others (personally) whom I can invite.
We also need to make the site as transparent as possible.
come on msn plz
-is site still in testing mode or now ready to public? admin should chalk out the plan with entrepreneurial ideas that how to advertise and market the site and how can maximum number of user bring on it? and for this current visitors should also send their input with innovative ideas on this issue. otherwise “website ka maqsad hi faut hojai ga”
Site is not in testing mode its working, Admin just keep adding or removing things in site to improve it.
“website ka maqsad hi faut hojai ga”
I am afraid that will be the case if Sohnidhurti doesn’t increase the number of contributors.
Kamran Khan back in Print media with scathing report exposing govt corruption.
Breaking News:
(correction) PML – N member Mohd. Shafiq Rajput arrested with prostitutes. ARY News.
I don’t think he is an MPA, he is just PMLN provincial official but the gang rape case is classice. A woman was called to handover the money of Benazir Income Support and was gang raped.
This is really shameful, As a muslim I personally apologize to chhristian community all over the world, minorities are to be protected by Muslims majority, its our duty we have failed miserably.
Seven killed in Gojra riots; 40 houses torched – ARY News
Yes, the acts are shameful. 4 Women and one child is killed by so called “muslims”. First of all the matter should have been investigated properly and secondly there should NEVER be a lethal response regardless of the outcome of the investigation.
The society has become so sick that people don’t trust each other and the authorities to do justice……people take law in their own hands.
An exiled Musharraf will suffer more than an executed one
By Ansar Abbasi
Link: http://thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=23627
I disagree AA. An exiled Musharraf maybe means a future Jarnail at the top of PAK leadership. An exiled Musharraf will live amongst like minded people (coconuts=maghreb zadeh) with a “drop” of alchohol in between. I cannot see much suffering for Musharraf in exile. On contrary Pakistan will suffer if he is not tried in Pakistani court of law!
Is this an attempt to help the judiciary and the PPP government?……mitti pao
@observer
Sorry yaar i wrote wrong wat i meant was Ansar abbassi is not doing mitti pao he jsut showed how govt is not interested even though its law of land.
Mushy is very frequently found in Hotel Dorchestor in London having dinner in its chinese restaurant in the basement. May I ask who pays for these bills? His son and friends I reckon…
افضال بہت محنت جر رہا ہے. جلت ہے یہ ویبستے کامجاب ہو جی گے.انشاللہ
Really shameful
گوجرہ میں تصادم‘ 7 افراد کو زندہ جلا دیا گیا‘ رینجرز طلب ‘ پولیس فائرنگ سے 3 ہلاک‘ 2 گرجے‘ 40 مکان نذرآتش
ـ 9 گھنٹے 21 منٹ پہلے شائع کی گئی
گوجرہ میں قرآن پاک کی مبینہ بے حرمتی کے واقعہ میں ملوث افراد کو گرفتار نہ کرنے کے خلاف گوجرہ + لاہور (نامہ نگار + رپورٹنگ ٹیم) گوجرہ میں قرآن پاک کی مبینہ بے حرمتی کے واقعہ میں ملوث افراد کو گرفتار نہ کرنے کے خلاف شہر میں 8ویں روز بھی احتجاج جاری رہا اور مشتعل مظاہرین نے 7 افراد کو زندہ جلا دیا جبکہ 2 گرجوں اور 40 گھروں کو نذر آتش کر دیا‘ تصادم کے دوران ٹرین سروس بھی معطل رہی‘ علاقے میں کشیدگی کے باعث عوام میں شدید خوف ہراس پھیل گیا ہے‘پی پی آئی کے مطابق 3 افراد پولیس کی فائرنگ سے مارے گئے۔ صدر علی زرداری نے وزارت داخلہ کو رینجرز بھیجنے اور حکومت پنجاب سے تعاون کی ہدایت کی ہے جبکہ وزیراعظم نے وزیر اعلیٰ پنجاب شہباز شریف کو فون کیا جس دوران واقعہ کی ذمہ داران کو انصاف کے کٹہرے میں لانے کی ہدایت کی گئی ہے‘ عوام سے پر امن رہنے کی اپیل کی ہے‘ وزیر اعلیٰ پنجاب میاں شہباز شریف نے واقعہ کی عدالتی تحقیقات کا حکم دیدیا ہے اور ڈسٹرکٹ اینڈ سیشن جج فیصل آباد کی سربراہی میں تحقیقاتی کمیٹی قائم کر دی گئی جبکہ آئی جی پنجاب نے واقعہ میں غفلت برتنے پر ڈی ایس پی گوجرہ غلام عباس کو معطل اور ڈی پی او کے خلاف انکوائری کا حکم دیدیا ہے۔ قرآن پاک کی بے حرمتی کے خلاف مسلمانوں نے احتجاجی جلوس نکالا اور کرسچیئن کالونی کا گھیراؤ کر کے پتھراؤ شروع کیا تو عیسائیوں نے چھتوں پر چڑھ کر فائرنگ کر دی جس پر علاقہ میدان جنگ بن گیا‘ دوطرفہ فائرنگ سے ڈی ایس پی اور ٹی ایم او رانا محمد نواز سمیت 20 افراد زخمی ہو گئے۔ پولیس نے مظاہرین کو منتشر کرنے کے لئے ہوائی فائرنگ اور آنسو گیس کا استعمال کیا جس سے 50 سے زائد مظاہرین بے ہوش ہو گئے جبکہ 3 افراد شدید زخمی ہیں اور ان کی حالت تشویشناک ہے۔ بعض گھروں میں لوٹ مار کی بھی اطلاعات ہیں‘ مظاہرین نے ماسٹر ریاض مسیح کے گھر کو آگ لگا دی جس کے باعث گھر میں موجود حمید مسیح‘ اخلاص مسیح‘ موسیٰ مسیح‘ آسیہ بی بی‘ آصفہ‘ امامیہ اور پروین زندہ جل گئے۔ علماء کی کال پر گوجرہ میں شٹر ڈاؤن ہڑتال رہی جبکہ مظاہرین نے فیصل آباد اور ملتان روڈ بلاک کر دی جس کے باعث 10 گھنٹے ٹریفک بند رہی۔ شہر میں رینجرز نے گشت شروع کر دیا ہے۔ بی بی سی کے مطابق ریسکیو حکام کا کہنا ہے کہ جلے ہوئے گھروں سے مزید لاشیں برآمد ہو سکتی ہیں۔ مشتعل مظاہرین نے ریلوے ٹریک پر دھرنا دے کر ٹرینوں کی آمد و رفت معطل کر دی جبکہ ٹریفک بھی بند رہی۔ وزیر داخلہ رحمن ملک نے کہا ہے کہ پنجاب رینجرز گوجرہ میں امن و امان کے قیام میں پولیس کا ہاتھ بٹائیں گے۔ خبر نگار خصوصی کے مطابق وزیر اعلیٰ پنجاب میاں شہباز شریف نے گوجرہ میں پیدا شدہ صورتحال کا فوری نوٹس لیتے ہوئے اس کی تحقیقات کا حکم دیا ہے اور یہاں ضلعی انتظامات و واقعات کے محرکات اور ذمہ داران کے حوالہ سے تفصیلات طلب کی ہیں اور کہا ہے کہ کسی کو قانون پر اثرانداز نہ ہونے دیا جائے اور ہر قیمت پر امن و امان بحال رکھا جائے۔ وزیراعظم نے بھی گوجرہ کی صورتحال پر وزیر اعلیٰ سے رابطہ کیا اور واقعات پر تبادلہ خیال کیا اور ممکنہ اقدامات کی ہدایات جاری کیں۔ وقائع نگار خصوصی کے مطابق چیف جسٹس لاہور ہائیکورٹ مسٹر جسٹس خواجہ محمد شریف نے گوجرہ میں مسلمانوں اور عیسائیوں میں ہونے والے تنازعہ پر ازخود نوٹس لیتے ہوئے انکوائری ٹربیونل تشکیل دیا ہے۔جبکہ سرکاری ہینڈ آؤٹ میں کہا گیا ہے کہ چیف جسٹس لاہور ہائیکورٹ نے وزیر اعلیٰ پنجاب کی درخواست پر گوجرہ کے واقعات کی جوڈیشل انکوائری کے لئے محمود مقبول باجوہ ڈسٹرکٹ اینڈ سیشن جج فیصل آباد کو تعینات کر دیا ہے۔ وہ ان واقعات کے متعلق تمام امور کا جائزہ لے کر انکوائری رپورٹ پیش کریں گے۔ نمائندہ خصوصی کے مطابق آئی جی پنجاب نے غفلت برتنے پر ڈی ایس پی گوجرہ کو معطل کر دیا ہے۔ آئی جی پنجاب طارق سلیم ڈوگر نے گذشتہ روز گوجرہ کا دورہ کیا اور امن و امان کی صورتحال پر قابو نہ پانے کے الزام میں ڈی ایس پی گوجرہ غلام عباس کو معطل کرنے کے احکامات جاری کر دئیے۔ پولیس کے مطابق گوجرہ میں ایک گروپ نے ہڑتال کے بعد جلوس نکالا اور جب جلوس ریلوے سٹیشن کے سامنے دوسرے گروپ کے علاقے میں گذرا تو انہوں نے مبینہ طور پر فائرنگ کر دی جس سے متعدد افراد زخمی ہو گئے۔ فائرنگ کے واقعہ کے بعد علاقے میں کشیدگی بڑھ گئی اور مشتعل مظاہرین نے مخالفین کے گھر جلا دئیے اور ٹائر جلا کر ریلوے سٹیشن کے سامنے سڑک بلاک کر دی۔ علاقے میں کشیدگی سے ریلوے سٹیشن پر گاڑیوں کی آمد و رفت بند ہو گئی‘ دونوں گروپوں کے درمیان پتھراؤ سے ڈی ایس پی اکبر نیازی‘ گن مین خالد‘ ٹی ایم او بھی زخمی ہو گئے۔ بعدازاں دونوں طرف سے مشتعل افراد گھروں کی چھتوں پر چڑھ گئے اور آتشیں اسلحے کا آزادانہ استعمال کرتے ہوئے ایک دوسرے پر فائرنگ کی۔ کشیدگی دور کرانے کے لئے صوبائی وزیر دوست محمد کھوسہ‘ کامران مائیکل‘ کمشنر فیصل آباد اور ڈی آئی جی مظاہرین سے مذاکرات کے لئے پہنچ گئے۔ سرکاری ہینڈ آؤٹ کے مطابق وزیر اعلیٰ پنجاب کے سینئر مشیر ذوالفقار علی کھوسہ نے کہا ہے کہ وزیر اعلیٰ نے گوجرہ میں قانون ہاتھ میں لینے کے واقعات کا سختی سے نوٹس لیا ہے۔ انہوں نے کہا کہ انکوائری کے نتیجے میں جو بھی قصوروار پایا گیا اسے سزا ضرور ملے گی۔ انہوں نے کہا کہ لوگ اپنے جذبات پر قابو رکھیں کیونکہ ان کا کوئی بھی غیر ذمہ دارانہ فعل دین اور ملک کے لئے بدنامی کا باعث بن سکتا ہے۔
فیصل آباد (وقائع نگار خصوصی) گوجرہ میں کشیدہ حالات کے باعث گذشتہ روز ٹرین سروس معطل رہی‘ ریلوے پریم یونین کے صدر محمد خالد کے مطابق گوجرہ کے خراب حالات کی وجہ سے ٹرین سروس معطل ہونے کے نتیجہ میں تیز رو ایکسپریس جانی والا سٹیشن، پاکستان ایکسپریس پکاآنہ سٹیشن اور ملتان ایکسپریس سرشمیر سٹیشن پر رکی رہیں۔ جس سے مسافروں کو شدید مشکلات کا سامنا کرنا پڑا۔ بعدازاں ٹرین سروس کو بحال کر دیا گیا۔
Indian Fire power lol — ooey inko lahore ki shabb-e-barat ke patakhey dikhao ROFL
Siyasat ki alif bay
@nota
“P.S. Saudi Arabia has already offered him asylum in case the parliament is “forced” to go for Article 6 to save its face and give the impression of legitimacy, but that is all it will be: an impression.”
Why,not. Thieves/crooks will hlp each other. I think he will opt for UK. If he experiences problems there he will be helped to move to KSA instead.
Watta-satta…LOL…Exactly
@nota
Pakistan is in this situation cuz of ppl like u ohoo tum log sawal buhat kartey ho beechery humkuranoon ko onka kala chehra dikhatey ho batain yaad dila daitey ho kal se badam par 500% tax na hoga badaam na hogee ur memory;) yeh haal hona chahiye tum jaisoon ka;)
observer
the only way you can increase hits on this web site is to have courage and publish original stuff that is out of the ordinary and I might say may be even controversial.
If the assumption is that everyone has a short attention span of say 2 minutes and the writers ought to be writing short pieces to suite the MODERN BIRD brains- then there are a lot of sites which can and do provide that sort of material.
In this day and age people are hungry for different type of published matter and things of substance- more of the same will not do.
For example I had bulldozed my comments on Population on a different thread-( Zardari)-
I think that is the only way.
You are right, but we also need to do some advertisement too.
There is an ongoing fight between RK, HR against PKP. That could be one topic to pick up if admin agrees, but don’t blame me if this site is attacked by PML-N Butt attack team.
Ur welcome to submit whole articles or suggest topics that you want to discuss and will post then for you. Am currently trying to setup a section just for articles so they get displayed on front page. Feel free to submit topics or articles you want to discuss.
AOA everyone. Looks like quite a lot happening in my absence!
Regarding Mushy don’t worry he wont be settling in the UK. There will be at least one person making his life miserable. All I need is supreme court issuing a warrant for him to appear in front of the court.
We could launch a campaign for his extradition or expulsion from the UK as an “inconvenient guest”. We just need a little time to settle some legal issues.
@Taukeer
“We could launch a campaign for his extradition or expulsion from the UK as an “inconvenient guest”. We just need a little time to settle some legal issues.”
Do you think that will happen? I am thinking of another culprit sitting in London and controlling his zombies back home in KHI. Until now all efforts to extradite Mr. katta has been futile. The UK government has two set of rules.
They regulary yell the wolf (terror) is coming, red alert etc. but here they have a wolf in their heart land i.e. London and yet they don’t do anything about it. The are content with hiding behind the “obstacles” by the PAK government.
Feingold: White House is Whistling Past Afghan Graveyard
@Observer Re: Musharaf an “Inconevenient Guest”.
Regardless of how much importance Kaliya might be perceived to have in Pakistan he is a minor pawn in the grand scheme of things. I wont spend too much of my energies on him. I would rather concentrate on big fish. Furthermore Musharaf has himself admitted his extrajudicial and extra constitutional acts and this will prevent him from seeking judicial protection from demonstarators in the UK. If he makes the mistake of going to the court he will be exposed to the scrutiny of the legal system in the UK the outcome of which could not be guaranteed. It will also make the position of the UK government untenable and will hurt them in forthcoming election year hence my title of “Inconvenient guest”.
@Taukeer
I agree that Musharraf is a bigger scoundrel than Altaf (though he is big too), because he had so much power and he abused it big time, but be sure he will be provided an escape route if it becomes necessary. The gang of UK, US and France will never allow one of their allies to be jailed anywhere in the world. The logic is obvious. How can they recruit dictators for future “adventures”, when there is made an example out of Musharraf? Off course they will ensure safe passage to f.ex. KSA. I have a knowledge about a Case in DK, where one of Saddam’s generals sought refuge. He was on a police surveillance in small city, but one day he “disappeared mysteriously”, because the Yankees needed him in a political game in Iraq. until now there has not been made a proper investigation to unveil the “escape”. I am sure the same will happen, when/if you people (with your good intentions) make life tough for Musharraf in UK.
Btw: I am not saying you should not do it. on contrary I think it important that you do it. The culprits should feel the heat whenever and where-ever it is possible.
Peer Sahib upna hath dekh kar he bata dein key unko aur kiya badnami naseeb honey hai marney sey pehley!
Is he going to suffer the ignominy of the likes of Dawood Khan and Najeeb Ullah of Afghanistan?
Michael Moore’s SICKO
Medical Care in “God’s Own country”
Hell on Earth called United States of America
PML-N, an opportunist tola of Pakistan politics forgot Laal Masjid massacre, forgot missing-person case AND NOW THEY FORGOT MUSHI TO BRING HIM FOR TRIAL AND EXECUTION. what a shameful tactics sharif bradran adopted!!!
PML-N not in a hurry for Musharraf’s trial
By Tariq Butt
ISLAMABAD: The PML-N will move parliament for the trial of former president Pervez Musharraf after waiting for some time for the ruling coalition to act in this connection.
“We will certainly move parliament if the government failed to proceed against the former dictator in the light of the July 31 judgment of the Supreme Court,” PML-N spokesman Senator Pervez Rashid told The News.
At first, he said, the PML-N would give an opportunity to the government to take the initiative. But if it did not, the PML-N would go to both the Senate and the National Assembly, seeking recommendation for action against Musharraf, which would carry the people’s weight behind it, he said.
Welcome back Parachinar
Just imagine if it was an ordinary citizen sala andar hota terrorism charges par. Laikin bhayya baney kutwal aab dar kahey ga
Lahore court frees lawyers on bail
Note: earlier News reports were Police arrested the laywers and were forced to release when thier freinds and relatives stormed the thana.
ke ahl-e-havas hoey muddai bhi munsif bhi”
Another PPP dhamaka
Corruption engulfs national institutions
By Kamran Khan
KARACHI: While unhindered officially-sponsored corruption has dealt a blow to great national institutions such as Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) and Pakistan Steel, some other national institutions and common interest of the people of Pakistan are threatened by secret deals that are currently being negotiated beyond the realm of transparency, fair play and equal opportunity, according to an investigation done by this correspondent.
With negotiations at advanced stages, there are deals in the pipeline which, if executed, would push more national institutions to bankruptcy and would further accelerate continuing hemorrhage in the national exchequer, according to official and business sources.
Once again some individuals, with powerful political backers, who were favored with lucrative positions in government institutions last year, are in the race for gold. One venue where such deals are being framed is the Employees Old Age Benefit Institution (EOBI) where discussions for incredible real estate purchases and acquisitions are at an advanced stage by its Chairman Asadullah Shaikh, who returned to Pakistan last year ending his 10-year long self-exile in England. While in London the Ehtesab Bureau of the then Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and NAB of Gen Pervez Musharraf pursued corruption cases against Mr Shaikh and he was declared a proclaimed offender.
Mr Shaikh was appointed Chairman EOBI in July last year. EOBI is a government organisation that collects mandatory contributions from all theprivate institutions to provide old age pensions, grants and other benefits to workers retired from the private sector. The EOBI is the custodian of a management fund of about Rs160 billion that actually belongs to the poor old age workers.
Sources with direct knowledge of discussions at the EOBI headquarters in Karachi said that the top management was currently focusing at playing the fund for two key projects in Islamabad.
EOBI has already shown keen interest in buying a tower in the heart of Islamabad. If materialised this Rs6 billion purchase of a yet to be built tower in the much-maligned stuck project by the EOBI may inject some life into the sponsors of this project who have already lost their Saudi patrons.
A senior EOBI official, baffled with the suggestion of this purchase, raised serious objections and finally left the ground by tendering his resignation a few months ago. Another shady project being negotiated for an acquisition by the EOBI is a stalled five-star hotel project in Islamabad, currently owned by a known business group of the Punjab.
Having seen dwindling prospects for a five-star hotel in Islamabad and its own financial issues, the business group was desperately looking for a client who could free them from this huge financial commitment. The EOBI with a huge management fund of Rs160 billion has now emerged as a prospective client. It is now negotiating a price tag of Rs8 billion for this worthless project.
“The funds belong to the poor old age workers. They are meant for most conservative risk free investments and not for real estate adventures,” an EOBI official said, who also provided graphic details of the discussion held so far by Chairman Asadullah Shaikh on this subject.
The EOBI is being run by four director generals, all on an ad hoc basis as the institution saw contributions toward age old benefit from the private sector dropping to a record 30 per cent.
While merit and fair play come under pressure at the institution, all attention is focused at the 75 recently advertised posts of assistant directors for the EOBI, for which 17,000 Pakistanis posted their applications. The selection process for these vacancies is keenly watched.
As this dismal situation goes on, backroom deal making of similar nature is, of course, not restricted to the EOBI. Several other government institutions are working on fantastic ideas carrying financial prospects for the people at the helm of affairs.
One such novel idea that has been declared as a financial bonanza for its hidden sponsors is currently being paddled through the Sui Southern Gas Company Limited (SSGCL), the company that supplies gas to Balochistan and Sindh including Karachi.
The SSGC management has been pressured to launch the idea of injecting a huge quantity of highly expensive synthetic natural gas into its natural gas distribution system, presumably to meet the growing demand of LPG in the country.
On Friday last, four companies submitted tenders with the SSGC to inject 100 MMSCFD gas into its natural gas distribution system. The specifications mentioned in the tenders are such that only one Karachi-based company could meet them.
Most knowledgeable sources said though the SSGC floated the idea and sought the tenders, its management opposed the concept in most unequivocal terms by telling its main sponsors at the Ministry of Petroleum that the project entailed import of highly expensive synthetic gas and its mixing with SSGC main grid would result in a gas price increase for all domestic and industrial gas users.
The SSGC management told the ministry that the gas price increase would create a mass uproar on the one hand while on the other, the injection of synthetic gas would carry a huge risk of chemical explosions in its distribution network.
“Mixing SNG (propane and butane) with methane-based natural gas at such a large scale is never done and by forcing SSGC to do this, the ministry is playing with fire,” commented an SSGC insider.
The most serious aspect of this galloping corruption in national institutions is the fact that in theory these government-run organisations are controlled by their respective, supposedly, independent board of directors, but in most cases of serious financial implications, the board either remained uninformed or it bowed to the wishes of its management and their political masters.
“What! We never heard about this tender,” was the response of a member of the SSGC board when this correspondent sought his views on this shady project that would have a direct impact on the financial health of the organisation.
Notwithstanding all these objections, the Ministry of Petroleum wants this deal done sooner than later. This is a bad news for gas consumers in Karachi, interior Sindh and a large part of Balochistan who may be gifted with gas tariffs increase within a few days of the completion of this project.
Deals that deserve strict transparency and parliamentary oversight are not restricted to civilian institutions as the Pakistan Navy deliberates on new purchase of submarines that may cost the nation at least $1.5 billion (Rs120 billion).
The new submarine purchases remind the nation of events when Pakistan went for its last submarine purchases (Agostas from France), which concluded when Admiral Mansurul Haq was the Chief of Naval Staff during the last PPP government. The same corruption-ridden submarine purchase from France made Mansurul Haq, the first military chief in Pakistan to be arrested, prosecuted and punished.
The Pakistan Navy’s current need for more submarines in its fleet has already been approved by the government, but the matter took a twist recently when it surfaced that the government of Pakistan might not pursue its agreement to buy three type U-214 submarines from Germany.
The German shipbuilding company Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft GmbH (HDW) was to construct the diesel-electric submarines at Karachi shipyard, a deal that also envisaged transfer of technology from the German company.
“The commercial contract has been finalised up to 95 percent,” said Walter Freitag, Chief Executive Officer of the HDW, the largest conventional submarine maker in the world, according to a report published in the media late last year.
Informed sources said though Pakistan was in the final stages of concluding the U-214 submarines deal with Germany and an official German delegation was due in Islamabad later this month, emerging signals suggest that the top Pakistani political leadership and the Navy may be having second thoughts about the German purchase.
This became more evident when the Financial Times newspaper reported recently that President Asif Zardari might overrule his military’s preference for the German subs to take up a “better offer” from France.
Pakistan Navy sources said that President Zardari’s was thinking on better offers and options were synched with the emerging thought process at the Naval headquarters, where the submarine acquisition group project, the team that had advocated the purchase of German submarines had been replaced with a new team.
This Rs120 billion Navy deal has also aroused interest in parliament where some members of the Senate are anxious to question the naval chief about this rethinking.
@Admin
Why don’t you use “Destroying ourselves with a little help from the US” as an article on the fromt page (posted by nota).
@Admin I second Observer’s suggestion. There is alot happening and there are serious issues concerning Blackwater that need a more thorough discussion.
U can either e-mail the article or send me link adn will post it. If u want the blackwater article do a nice summary in article format and e-mail me. Be advise the CEO of XE (Formerly Blackwater) has been implicated in murder in USA.
“Be advise the CEO of XE (Formerly Blackwater) has been implicated in murder in USA.” so are you afraid of being bumped off!!!!!!!
LOL
Good suggestion about the summary. Can someone take up the challenge??????
BTW the link to the article in The News is here and was in Nota’s post
http://thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=191446
here is the link
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090817/scahill
“A former Blackwater employee and an ex-US Marine who has worked as a security operative for the company have made a series of explosive allegations in sworn statements filed on August 3 in federal court in Virginia. The two men claim that the company’s owner, Erik Prince, may have murdered or facilitated the murder of individuals who were cooperating with federal authorities investigating the company. The former employee also alleges that Prince “views himself as a Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe,” and that Prince’s companies “encouraged and rewarded the destruction of Iraqi life.”
An extract from Shereen Mazari’s article
Taukeer
Blackwater accused of murder in ‘crusade to eliminate Muslims’
and they continue with the crap, while the esteem judiciary stay silent and keep granting bails.
Lawyers once again torture journalists
We are doomed………….Only a bloody revolution can stop these sell outs=PPP+PML-N
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http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/Politics/06-Aug-2009/1000-US-Marines-to-guard-Islamabad-mission-FO
“Foreign Office Spokesman Abdul Basit Khan has said that 1,000 US Marines who will be coming to Pakistan will be deployed at US Mission in Islamabad.
He said that there was no restriction on the number of personnel that a foreign mission could station at its mission but it is done through mutual understanding.
The FO Spokesman stated this at Karachi Press Club on Wednesday while replying to a query relating to increase in the strength of the US personnel at Islamabad’s mission. This is perhaps for the first time that a foreign office official has visited a Press Club and replied the queries asked by the media in general.”
what is the unofficial number? 1000 US marines wtf is wrong with this govt.
@Afzaal
“wtf is wrong with this govt.”
It is maybe better to ask what is right about this government. The answer is far easier. NOTHING!
they are doing teh same stupid crap they did in Beiurut in 80′s. Lebanon still suffering from that blunder. What the hell is ISI doing. Man need another zia fuck democracy.
Comprehensive documentation of the crimes of Blackwater in videos. Now they are coming to Pakistan. TIME TO BE REPAIRED AND TAKE EVASIVE ACTION.
they are already in pakistan
@Afzaal
Don’t blame democracy…Zia is the one those who laid the seeds for this scenario. This has nothing to do with democracy, but deals between “democrats” and dictators. It was the military who ensured a Zardari Come back in PAK politics…..NRO.
Care to explain how this is Zia’s fault? We built a successful nuclear program under the noses of USA during Zia’s time. While using CIA and USA to fight russia in Afghanistan. We never let CIA had direct contacts with the mujaheedeen or gave them free hand to roam around the FATA and all over the country. The geneva accord and killing of Gen. Zia along with Gen Abudlrehman shaheed and the so called democracy allowed this nonsense. Starting with giving up India the list of Sikh rebels to abandoning hikmatyaar etc to push up talibaan. All done by democratic govt which btw were dying to make India and USA freind, Both PPP and PML -N in exile made sure to kiss usa’s ass specially PPP.The root cause of afghanistan problem started with geneva accord and capitulation to USA and india was done by elected leaders.
That’s very easy to prove that Zia ios partly to blame for the current mess. I will reply later.
Zia is partly to blame…Off course other dictators have laid seeds too.
Don’t worry guys we are nearing the revolution. They are just going to precipitate it sooner. Let us line the streets to welcome the 1000 marines. The so called TTP helped create the atmosphere to facilitate the landing of the Marines. Fairly common US military doctrine. shimatoree or some other military mind might be able to elaborate.
well USA did leave beirut, after the marine barracks attack. This is the stupidest move by whoever has made it. These marines wuill just make the sitaution worst, and the stupid govt response oh wee cant lmit the security personel is just that reatarded responsse. How abt hey buddy we cant porotect u so instead of u bringing ur army in how abt shut down ur consulatees and just have skeleton crew in pak which trust me u dun need u can run by proxy from indian embassy and beside whenever u need us we can surely visit usa to kiss ur feet.
As someone who has the benefit of “ignorance” of the nitty gritty of the politics of 70′s and 80′s I have to say that Pakistan had a very tight grip on the strategic situation in whole of South Asia including Afghanistan on one side and KAshmir and Khalistan on the other side in 80′s.
An often ignored aspect of that period was the stationing of Pakistani troops in the Arabian peninsula and a clear understanding by the Arab rulers that they will not invite any western forces for their defense. In addition Israel had been shown it’s place and was told in no uncertain terms that it will cease to exist if it crossed the red line.
If someone wants to blame it on Zia-ul-Haq be my guest. As far as strategic interests of Pakistan were concerned I have to admire his achievements.
I know the politics of that era evokes such emotional outbursts from Bhutto and Zia camps that a logical balanced discussion usually becomes impossible. For that reason I have restricted myself to commenting about Pakistan’s Strategic outlook during the time of Zia Ul Haq. (I must state here clearly that I think one of his biggest blunders was sacking of Junejo government but then again I am accused of ignorance!!!)
The reason of sacking of Junejo govt was not ujhreee camp debacle. Thoough it didnt help that Junejoo govt wanteed to “investigate” the incident. Surely that must have played its part i.e political consideration, but was the geneva accordd that had made the mind of the Zia’s govt to sack Junejoo govt. That debacle of Geneva accord still haunts us.
There is not always a direct link between issues, but if you weaken the state at some place it will at some time weaken the state at another place. Zia weakened the state by his military coup – once again democracy died in Pakistan. If he had good intentions he would have left shortly after the debacle, but he refused until he could not hang on any more (death). If you take Zia for being nationalistic then I think Bhutto was maybe an even bigger nationalist. See his speech in UN where he stands tall, is not submissive and compare to what we have today within the same party. Zia told us that you can make a promise by taking oath on Quran and not need to abide by it. He did show us how you open up your country for drugs and weapons en mass and leave the problems for future generations. Maybe Pakistan seemed to be strong at Zia’s time, but don’t fool yourself. He laid the seed’s for future miseries by weakening the democratic process. He weakend the law and order situation by allowing weapons – in big quantities – all over Pakistan. He created a monster like MQM who plays with the vital interests of Pakistan. He ensured that drug trafficking from Afghanistan could prosper. He ensured that we are stuck with the Butt Brothers. What more do you need to see that Zia himself was a monster. Apart from that a monster like Zia had the history on his side. Just like Musharraf he could bargain with the US for money by cashing in on a war in Afghanistan. I admit that on this account Zia was a better person. His sales price was higher than the price set by Musharraf.
Btw: Was it not Zia who was behind the massacre of Palestinians too?
The military has a habit of criticizing the politicians. in fact they are the main culprits regarding useless politicians. They interfere in elections, bribe and fraud etc. with the help of secret agencies and then say that politicians are bad.
First the military piss on the politicians and then they say politicians stink…….This is the military “logic”
@observer
as long as we talking about history why start with Zia? Why not start with conception of Pakistan. Lets put aside the merit of foundation of Pakistan lets just review some facts.
1 – 1948 not even a yr has gone by after independence and while Quaid was alive, Bengalis rioted against buharis and blood was spilled of urdu speaking in Bengal, where Molvi Mukarram was honored with the jootiyoon ke haar in his neck his crime was he said natioinal language should be urdu. The seeds were there and they resulted in bangladesh.
2 – Bhutto actively participated in govt of Ayub and actively compaigned for Ayub against Ms. Fatima Jinnah. Hum muhajiroon ko utha ka behra-e-arab main phaink daingain (gohar ayub).
3 – The so called great speech of BHutto in UN was the last nail in the coffin which facilitated the seperation of BD. Poland has proposed a resolutin of immediate ceasefire in east pak thus halting the advance of Indian army and leaving the future of east Pakistan to later time, but the great Bhutto ripped the resolution and walked out, result the humiliating defeat, btw Bhutto diid this on his own accord without consultation back home,
4 – 1973 lassani fasadat encouraged and backed by Mr. Bhutto’s PPP in sindh against pushtoon, punjabi and urdu speaking.
5 – The formation of constitution and immediately after the passing of constitution the amendmendments done by Bhutto weakening teh constitution and making it a joke. Bhutto then became Martial law administrator and after passing the constitution suspended it.
6 – 1977 election whcih bhutto would have won albeeit with a simple majority but great electoral fraud done by PPP to ensure 2/3 majority reesult maartial law of zia.
U blame Zia for creation of MQM ur wrong, seeds of MQM were planted long long ago when gohar ayub threatened to send all muhajirs in arabian sea. I can list the rapes, murders done in time of bhutto, the torture cells and all the other atrocities done by bhutto’s govt. Read the karnamey of Al-Zulfiqar. When Zia took over the country was already in shitters last war we faced we lost big, lost half of pakistan. It was zia who shut down India, made relationship with BD normal, brought the arabian countries close to Pakistan, and I can go on, On the domestic front, he calmed down the political instability, allowed other parties to florish, which helped make today’s leaders. The so calleed political partiees are dynastiees who have never done anything for the awwam they aree not democratic themselves yet they want to delivere democracy. U should really read sindh ka muqadma, Wheen ur 1st defense line if india atttacks from sindh is at jamshooroo phatak something was seriously wrong. Apart from ethnic violence in Kaarachi on a whole Baluchistan situation calmed down and Bugtee became the CM of Baluchistan, JSSF and GM Syed were neutralized and made to look like fool so was ANP and bacha khan seperation movement. The ethnic violence of karachi was perpetrated by afghan agents thus the foreign hand. On whole economy got better and most of Pakistan got better educated under zia.
@Afzaal
A major part your “reply” is about unfortunate activities by other players. I do not deny that. I am not an admirer of Bhutto either. I just made a comparison on the nationalistic issue. Apart from that you cannot justify a wrong by other wrongs!!! That is a strange logic often used by our leaders i.e. because the other party did something bad that gives me “license ” to do something bad too. That will NEVER work for Pakistan!
The fact stays untouched that the military including Zia messed with the institutions of Pakistan and he IS with his other colleagues – both former and after him – a CULPRIT! And I don’t give much for the better economic situation. Whenever you have democratic setup the US closes all the doors for Pakistan and when you have military dictatorship they mostly are more “helpful”. That was also the case with Zia. He was helped by his masters in Washington, who wanted a man to make an example of a man who denied to back down from the nuclear program. One must give credit for that to Bhutto.
@observer
Wrong again, the industrial revolution in pak was done by Ayub, 60′s pak was becoming economically strong, steel mills and the industraliazation spread all over pak all went in a blink of an eye, courtesy Mr. Bhutto who nationalize everything and from there on we still paying the price.
@Afzaal
I see, you are advocating for dictatorship.
Once again I am not in favour of any Bhutto (father or daughter) and neither NS (in case you should start repeating his “achieveements”, but do give credit where it is justified.
How do you explain the other questions you so conveniently put a side.
That is what I am trying to tell you that the real enemies of Pakistan want us to have military dictatorship combined with fake democracy (like now) in between i.e. “democracy” in a VERY limited version with a lot of involvement from ISI. How do you explain agency involvement in election fraud?
History is a witness that each time we have had dictatorship the US has been helpful, but mostly during “democratic” rule the US have put sanctions on Pakistan. Why do you think they prefer to have military dictatorship blossoming and keeping Pakistan backward? Isn’t it because they want to further weaken our institutions with the subsequent chaos and off course to have easy access to decision makers? How do you explain this?
And how do you explain the whole issue of drugs and weapons spreading all over Pakistan under Zia? Did Zia not facilitate MQM?
@observer
Lemme be complete honest with U I dun like democracy. I think its stupidest idea. gadha aur ghora barabar nahi hotey. Baqool iqbal
Jamhoriay main bandoon ko toola nahi gina kartey hain
That said am not favoring dictatorship either and Zia was no angel. I just refuse to accept all evils and all ills we facing today are due to martial law, is burai main each and everyone is equally reposnsible, and I seriously believe the quality of politician we had were more deterimental to us then dictatorship except the mushy one os nay nayya he duboo dee.
All I am saying u can’t pin all ill on one person, when I was growing up b4 zia in bhutto’s time we had bars and instead of heroine everyone was using charas and rocket, Its not that drug were introduced 1st time in Zia;s time we already had drugs. The drugs phenomenon of 80 was widespread all over the world. USA has democracy and has been fighting the war against drugs since 1950, they dun have any geo-political dangers we have and why is that they have such widespread drug problem surely the cause is not dictatorship in usa as they have democratic govt. If there is market soomeone will fill it.
Afzaal and Observer I see you guys going off in a tangent the exact reason why I don’t discuss Zia and Bhutto because we just end up jumping on each others throat. Regardless of the origins of Zia I admire his strategic achievements for Pakistan as outlined above in my comment and that does not in anyway mean that I admire dictatorship.
NOW BACK TO THE ISSUE AT HAND BLACKWATER AND US MARINES IN PAKISTAN::
Yet again nota has posted an excellent piece and that needs to be discussed in fuller detail.
@Afzaal
“All I am saying u can’t pin all ill on one person”
I don’t think you read what I write. I told you that Zia was partly responsible. I also told you that I am not a fan of Bhutto either and I think you know my position on (most) current politicians.
What is sad part is that you are defending those persons who have actively undermined institutions and promoted election fraud. I could understand you, if they had brought sane politicians to the forefront, but since they ONLY bring corrupt politicians to rule us, then there is something wrong with the military leadership too.
I also understand your point about democracy. There are problems on that account too, but who will decide who is “ghadda” and who is “ghorha”? Such “creatures” you also find in between the educated class including the religious people.
@Taukeer
Why don’t the admin make another thread?
afzaal: Just say I am right and let’s move on
LOL boys have your fight on msn or pkp.
BLACKWATER AND MARINES LAND IN PAKISTAN. I THINK THEY SHOULD RECEIVE A WARM WELCOME. A SCORE OF A COUPLE A DAY MIGHT MAKE THEM SQUEAL.
Does anyone remember BB wanted Blackwater bodyguards and Musharaf refused their entry into the country. Was that refusal on behalf of Blackwater itself, after all they had a potential conflict of interest and being an ethical outfit I am sure they won’t have liked that.
Y dun u post in the blackwater thread admin has opened on purzoor demmand lol
observer
the history of events is not sporadic or spasmodic and is a continuam rather than isolated and insulated events.
To blame Gen. Zia Ul Haq for the problems that Pakistan faces has become fashionable but is dishonest and disinegnuous.
Zia was not an Einstein but in his own way he was far better than ZAB or those that have followed since then. He made mistakes but since he never claimed to be a supergenius – he can be forgiven. In my view his big mistake was Junejo .
Regarding what Johnny JOE-( Junejo)- did in ref: to Afghanistan is simply put showed a total lack of strategic sense and an unfamiliarity with the dynamics of REAL POLITIK. It is true that all the gains made by Pakistan were thrown away.
Regarding the self proclaimed champions of the poor-( PPP) they have hurt the interests of Pakistan wihtout ever getting anything in return. Aitazaz Ahsen during the BB govt did give away the lists of Khalistan movement activists to Rajiv Gandhi and what did he get in return ? Just like the current BUFOON in the presidency is doing.
The exercise of power is not for everyone- since most ordinary people have a tendency to try to justify what they are doing in an apologetic fashion.
A true leader will use power like the SAMURAI and his blade. In Pakistan- this bull shit that is being passed around as democracy WILL NOT work. A LEE KWAN YE is needed. Do we have someone like that. I do not think so.
Taukeer- on miltary matter a bit later.
can u come on msn or contact Me ASAP thanks
Clinton Threatens Eritrea With Sanctions For Aiding Somali Militants
Isn’t Eritrea the country which refused western “aid programs”?
and its muslim country broke away from ethiopia which has notoriously killed and keep the muslim minority under brutal regimeen.
Yes, i know that. I also remember that they did extremely well in spite of refusing “aid” from the western countries. This “aid” is like cancer. It eats you up from inside. I would advice any country to avoid “aid”.
Now Americans most probably have no say since Eritrea doesn’t receive anything. That is why they are terrorising them by other means.
@Shimatoree
I think one shall not try to paint a black and white picture of any leader/party. Nor Zia, Bhuttos, Butts etc. None of them are perfectly right or ALL wrong. What is important is to discuss the overall impact on democracy vs. dictatorship. I do not deny that dictatorship can be good, but that requires good amount of luck to have the “right” dictator in the first place and secondly he has to have the potential to build the right team to build the nation, create stability and all the other stuff. That requires a fair amount of a time span for the dictator. Relying on one person is always risky. Mostly they do not survive that long for or the other reason. That is why I am for strong institutions. How can they be strong after being molested by both dictators and the politicians “raised” by themselves?
“the history of events is not sporadic or spasmodic and is a continuam rather than isolated and insulated events.”
I know and do not disagree on this. The military has played it’s negative role alongside the politicians (also supported by the military). This is the reason why we have reached this ugly scenario. Throughout they have been supporting the wrong guys to prove their case. Every time they can say “you see, these bloody civilians cannot run the country. Let us do it. At least we are better than them”.
What is more frightening is that you people are remembering the good old days again, and forget that the process of each military take over has deteriorated the situation even more.
“To blame Gen. Zia Ul Haq for the problems that Pakistan faces has become fashionable but is dishonest and disinegnuous.”
I don’t know why you people are stuck with that phrase???
I repeat once again. ZIA is PARTLY to be accused for this mess!!!!
“He [ZIA] made mistakes but since he never claimed to be a supergenius – he can be forgiven.” That’s too bad! This is exactly what they hope for. First they take you several steps back, stay away from promises and then we as a nation are ready to forgive them for one reason or the other. Especially when we see the “wonders” of NRO generated government. And please remember that it was a NRO engineered by these “saviour” generals…..waiting for their next turn – once again. This is exactly the scenario they are creating.
We are rightly cursing Zardari for selling Pakistan, BUT the military establishment is also to be blamed. IF they wanted they could give crystal clear message to Zardari and his gang.
@Taukeer
Sorry for continuing this debate, but I feel it is very important!
They better use RAW. It seems like Baitullah is not there any more to “help” them.
@observer
b4 we go ahead with debate u should really try to understand why Geneva accord signed by Juneejo was such bad move, and why abandoning mujaheedeen to back Talibaan is such bad move, Then u wil realize why we backing Zia so much. Afghan jihad was just a show if plan had succeeded Pak would have been on top of the world.
@nota
Does anyone know who these lawyers are and which agenda or rather who are they working on/for?
Aren’t these lawyers belong to PML – N? Hamid Mir claimed that
he had hanif abbasi on n he gave names and all the connections he was really pissed lol
I found these links on PTI’s website.
Doesn’t Kashif stand out as one of the BRAVEST journalists?
Information on Kashif Abbasi’s whereabouts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gELZmPD52A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1gdA24PtX8
Shame on the media community for lack of support for Kashif Abbasi and off course even more shame on Zardari and his PPP and the rest of the parlementarians for not raising this issue.
In Horse Racing-( and in Life ! )-
The good horses are very few indeed and it is they who win the Epsom Derby and the Kentucky Derby and other such big races.
In life- good people are few and far between. If someone has ethics- they do not have courage. If someone has courage- they do not have character-( very rare anyway)- and if someone has character- they do not have intelligence- and if they have intelligence they do not have foresight and so on.
ZAB had intelligence but no foresight and no ethics. He believed that he had all the qualities of a first class leader but he did not.
Zia had courage and foresight but no intelligence- he accepted that he was not the smartest guy.
Nawaz Shareef has nothing. Zardari only has deception and crookery. Musharraf had a very inflated opinion of himself but is a coward and has no character- no ethics.
We need a Napoleon, an Alexander, an Umar Farooq.
Well that kind are rare and difficult to find . Pakistan is a country of poor people but Pakistan is far more poor in leadership and has been since it’s inception. What we have had for leaders-( all of them )- have been third rate at best. ZAB had everything in his hand- so why did he blow it- no character!
Musharraf had everything when he snatched power in 1999- all he had to do was to do the right thing- why did he not- because he had no character and no class. Nawaz Shareef has the excuse of being stupid and FAT. Zardari is just a bad person who is corrupt with no class.
In Horse Racing terms- they are cheap platters capable of running at the lowest of low race tracks where their competition is nothing.
So how are they going to stand up against the best the world has to offer. The answer is they can’t and they will not. That is why we are and will remain in big trouble. There is no hope.
@Observer you are welcome to your opinion. All I can say is please refer to my earlier comment. Zia vs ZAB vs Ayub or Mujib debate cant move the agenda forward. I will leave it for posterity to judge all these personalities in about a 100 years.
@Shimatoree & Taukeer
@Taukeer
I respect your views, but we must not close our eyes like a pigeons and only let historians decide. It is us who are stuck with the problems and it is us who must look at history and learn i.e. must look at the realities in our history without being biased. This is not about a debate for the sake of debate, but for the sake of finding a (better) path to the future. To do that you need to evaluate. Can we accept even a “good” dictator? Will he not be bad for institutions etc. anyway – at least in the long run? Or do we want to develop democracy? Nobody is saying it needs to be a copy of Western like democracy. We could find our own solutions. Maybe our democratic solution will be better to separate horses from donkeys. We need not to imitate others…… We need to evaluate and then find indigenous solutions, moderated solutions and sometimes copy solutions too.
I agree with @Shimatoree that it is a combination of different characters in person, which produce great leaders. Just to make my stance clear about ZAB. Personally I think ZAB had the potential to become one of the greatest leaders in PAK history. He was intelligent and brave, but had dark sides too. He was arrogant and had a bad mouth. Maybe it was the feudal upbringing that caused these damages.
I also agree that present leaders of PPP and PML-N have very little to offer – if anything. I am afraid that I only hope in IK. He is not as intelligent as ZAB. He also in lack of the same oratory skills, but still I believe he is at least intelligent and brave enough to lead this nation out of troubled waters. I think he has the skills to put the right teams together in different working areas to achieve fine results. I also believe that if he is able to create a platform then we will be blessed with even better leadership in the future, but to reach to that point we need a lot of sincerity, hard work and bravery. I think IK can deliver on all accounts. I also believe that the traditional forces in PAK politics will do their utmost to avoid having someone like IK as their leader……The conditions are very tough. The questions is….will he ever reach the ultimate post as the future PM of Pakistan. I hope so, but I also have my doubts.
and the myth continues, ZAB was a genius, pray tell me any example of his genisuness? He totally misunderstood and miscalcluated the political movement and the implications of martial law. lol
@Afzaal
Be honest!
Where did you find the word “genius”. I said “intelligent” and I stand by that.
@Observer you insist! And I insist that your urge to debate this issue is a distraction.
BTW I used to hear about Bhutto’s oratory skills but I have to admit youtube is such a repository of truth that I don’t need to rely on second hand information. As someone who knows a thing or two about public speaking it is just as well that IK lacks the “oratory skills” that you so admire.
And the debate drifts on!!!!!
Sorry guys but pls don’t mind if I just look on!
@Taukeer
I don’t know where you read that I admire ZAB. Did you miss this:
“is a combination of different characters in person, which produce great leaders.”
IMO oratory skills and intelligence is not enough to become a great leader. He missed it because of hos dark sides.
and this:
“He was intelligent and brave, but had dark sides too. He was arrogant and had a bad mouth. Maybe it was the feudal upbringing that caused these damages.”
Just to make my case clear. As a whole I do NOT admire ZAB or any other Bhutto!
No i dint miss anything
and
I don’t have a problem with people admiring ZAB even if they do.
Great, then keep on branding me as an “admirer” of ZAB.
@taukee
Bhutto was a great orator, u just dun understand speech pattern in pak
lol
Now this is awesome talk avt fake passion lolz
Good laugh….What a comedy.
People are ready to be fooled by a teenager though not an ordinary one. He was a Zardari and made a “qurbani” and became a Bhutto. He is also ready to loose his head for his “cause”….eeehh I thought he had already lost it since he made that kind of a speech.
It’s worth to be included in “Hum sab umeed sai haiN”
Please yaar masoom buchay ko kuch na kaho…he is doing what he is told to do…BB never wanted him in politics. I feel sorry for him.
Mujhe to ye larhka eik naya Sultan Rahi/Mustafa Qureshi lag raha hai
LOL !!!! That is what any viceroy would have sounded like! Especially “khun deen gey aap”
Honduras: Military Coup Engineered By Two US Companies?
By John Perkins
August 07, 2009 I recently visited Central America. Everyone I talked with there was convinced that the military coup that had overthrown the democratically-elected president of Honduras, Manuel Zelaya, had been engineered by two US companies, with CIA support. And that the US and its new president were not standing up for democracy.
Earlier in the year Chiquita Brands International Inc. (formerly United Fruit) and Dole Food Co had severely criticized Zelaya for advocating an increase of 60% in Honduras’s minimum wage, claiming that the policy would cut into corporate profits. They were joined by a coalition of textile manufacturers and exporters, companies that rely on cheap labor to work in their sweatshops.
Memories are short in the US, but not in Central America. I kept hearing people who claimed that it was a matter of record that Chiquita (United Fruit) and the CIA had toppled Guatemala’s democratically-elected president Jacobo Arbenz in 1954 and that International Telephone & Telegraph (ITT), Henry Kissinger, and the CIA had brought down Chile’s Salvador Allende in 1973. These people were certain that Haiti’s president Jean-Bertrand Aristide had been ousted by the CIA in 2004 because he proposed a minimum wage increase, like Zelaya’s.
I was told by a Panamanian bank vice president, “Every multinational knows that if Honduras raises its hourly rate, the rest of Latin America and the Caribbean will have to follow. Haiti and Honduras have always set the bottom line for minimum wages. The big companies are determined to stop what they call a ‘leftist revolt’ in this hemisphere. In throwing out Zelaya they are sending frightening messages to all the other presidents who are trying to raise the living standards of their people.”
It did not take much imagination to envision the turmoil sweeping through every Latin American capital. There had been a collective sign of relief at Barack Obama’s election in the U.S., a sense of hope that the empire in the North would finally exhibit compassion toward its southern neighbors, that the unfair trade agreements, privatizations, draconian IMF Structural Adjustment Programs, and threats of military intervention would slow down and perhaps even fade away. Now, that optimism was turning sour.
The cozy relationship between Honduras’s military coup leaders and the corporatocracy were confirmed a couple of days after my arrival in Panama. England’s The Guardian ran an article announcing that “two of the Honduran coup government’s top advisers have close ties to the US secretary of state. One is Lanny Davis, an influential lobbyist who was a personal lawyer for President Bill Clinton and also campaigned for Hillary. . . The other hired gun for the coup government that has deep Clinton ties is (lobbyist) Bennett Ratcliff.” (1)
DemocracyNow! broke the news that Chiquita was represented by a powerful Washington law firm, Covington & Burling LLP, and its consultant, McLarty Associates (2). President Obama’s Attorney General Eric Holder had been a Covington partner and a defender of Chiquita when the company was accused of hiring “assassination squads” in Colombia (Chiquita was found guilty, admitting that it had paid organizations listed by the US government as terrorist groups “for protection” and agreeing in 2004 to a $25 million fine). (3) George W. Bush’s UN Ambassador, John Bolton, a former Covington lawyer, had fiercely opposed Latin American leaders who fought for their peoples’ rights to larger shares of the profits derived from their resources; after leaving the government in 2006, Bolton became involved with the Project for the New American Century, the Council for National Policy, and a number of other programs that promote corporate hegemony in Honduras and elsewhere.
McLarty Vice Chairman John Negroponte was U.S. Ambassador to Honduras from 1981-1985, former Deputy Secretary of State, Director of National Intelligence, and U.S. Representative to the United Nations; he played a major role in the U.S.-backed Contra’s secret war against Nicaragua’s Sandinista government and has consistently opposed the policies of the democratically-elected pro-reform Latin American presidents. (4) These three men symbolize the insidious power of the corporatocracy, its bipartisan composition, and the fact that the Obama Administration has been sucked in.
The Los Angeles Times went to the heart of this matter when it concluded:
What happened in Honduras is a classic Latin American coup in another sense: Gen. Romeo Vasquez, who led it, is an alumnus of the United States’ School of the Americas (renamed the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation). The school is best known for producing Latin American officers who have committed major human rights abuses, including military coups.
In fact US is treating it’s southern “brothers” as Hitler had designed to use it’s eastern “brothers”. And yet only Hitler is branded as a racist regime.
Rumbling in the law jungle?
Does anyone have a better knowledge about what is happenening?
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CJ presiding Supreme Judicial Council meeting
Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry is presiding a meeting of Supreme Judicial Council in Supreme Court building.
The meeting has started after a delay of 50 minutes. Supreme Judicial Council comprised of Supreme Court’s Justice Javed Iqbal, Justice Sardar Muhammad Raza, Chief Justice Peshawar High Court Justice Tariq Pervaiz, and Chief Justice Lahore High Court Justice Khawaja Sharif. Registrar Supreme Court and secretary Supreme Judicial Council Dr. Faqir Hussain are present in the meeting.
The meeting is discussing amendment in judges’ code of conduct in the light of Supreme Court’s recent decision. The council could also discuss PCO judges.
Earlier, new chief justices of Sindh and Balochistan High Courts met with Chief Justice of Pakistan Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry.
At the end of Supreme Judicial Council meeting, chief justice will preside a meeting of all provincial chief justices to discuss appointments on the seats of judiciary vacated after recent verdict of Supreme Court.
Link: http://thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=84554
Thank God Observer’s bee in the bonnet is out!!!!!
Is the code of conduct of judges not determined by a body other then the judges themselves?
Taukeer bhai…motor kharab hai garhe ki. Theek to karna parhe ga…..at least in theory
Observer
Quote-
“Maybe it was the feudal upbringing that caused these damages.”
Sir- upbringing has very little to do with making anyone’s CHARACTER !
It is the GENETIC material. It is his mother and father and other ancestors .
All I can say about ZAB is that he was a clever and ruthless opportunist and he was NOT brave at all except when DRUNK .
His supporters are less than honest when they absolve him of the prime mover behind the split of East Pakistan to Bangladesh and instead blame Yahya and the Army.
If to-day the self proclaimed stalwarts of the PPP accept this one simple fact- then what happens to the aura of this pretender to imagined greatness. The guy came to power on the ruins of Pakistan in 1971 which HE HAD CREATED.
If you think BB was corrupt- well you know where her genes came from !
@Shimatoree
“All I can say about ZAB is that he was a clever and ruthless opportunist and he was NOT brave at all except when DRUNK .”
What about his decision to continue the nuclear prg. despite threats from Kissinger? Wasn’t that a brave act since Kissinger was directly threatening him?
“His supporters are less than honest when they absolve him of the prime mover behind the split of East Pakistan to Bangladesh and instead blame Yahya and the Army.”
No doubt that he has played a part in the sad story about the split. He was a part of the leadership under Ayub, and since the idea of parting ways with a country doesn’t come out of the blue then he must have known the disaster which would follow the anger that was about boil in East Pakistan. His speech where he curses against the Bengali’s is condemnable act, and his overall behaviour in the election process is very unfortunate too.
“If you think BB was corrupt- well you know where her genes came from !”
Genes or not. I think both ZAB, NS, SS and BB Zardari are or were all corrupt.
plz read qudratullah shahab’s “shahab nama” to get all ur answers a very good read indeed.
@Observer if you think ZAB was not brave then I can only smile and suggest to re-think and if you think people like IK are BRAVE then I will only smile and would not trouble my rain to re-think.:)
rain=brain
WE need people like IK in commentry booths or on field as an elite umpire. He would have been more successful there, trust me.
Apart from that I believe that IK is one of the very few politicians who stand by what he says in the “commentary box”. In fact he is known for that.
Easy nukes……I think you are confused. You “nukes” should be used against Shimatoree and not me
I am the one who said he was brave.
hehehe thanks for the correction. I am just too baffled these days.
@admin
Maybe you look at who, how many, from where etc. visits SD.
I don’t see new particpants, but maybe we have silent spectators. Can you enlighten us on this issue? I am just curious to know whether there are developments on this issue.
Reposting here
Haroon Rasheed a very fair minded Journalist….who is in the habit to call a spade a spade.
Its not a good sign for pk politics
I doubt my comments would be printed on this website.
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/aug2009-daily/08-08-2009/col4.htm
HR is an eminent highly respectable journalist, its beneath him to address Pkpol, the more he mentions the better for pkpol as advertising goes, nothing goes like controversy, also HR stands might feel like lady doth protest too much. If I would have to advise HR sahib, I would say ignore the site, if u think its balisht bhar then why u giving it so much ink?
Corrupt Democracy in India
A must read. Nice job.
Observer
There are some people who would like to give the credit for design and building of the Taj Mahal to ZAB also !
This matter of Kissinger threatening ZAB is a fabrication to make him look good after the fact . Besides even if that were the case- so what is the big deal.
ZIA also said ” PEANUTS” to Carter and as yet no one mentions that as a monument to courage !
I think this thing about ZAB is and has been a MYTH building exercise and that always is just that- myth building.
That is all for ZAB.
These threats are normally given through secret channels. It’s very hard to prove – if not impossible – for either of us. I cannot swear on it and I suppose you cannot swear on the opposite claim, but I still think it is quite plausible because of the nature of the issue (first Muslim nation to go nuclear).
I disagree a LOT on the comparison with the dictators (Zia’s) “peanuts” comment. He (Zia) was speaking about the price for aiding the Yankees, and that’s another case abbout receiving dollars at the risk of being flooded with Afghan weapons and drugs.
First the military nurtures the “democratic” leaders like ZAB and NS/SS and then they axe them. These democratic” leaders are only nurtured to behave like they do to pave the way for future dictatorship. If the generals are so eager to bring prosperity and make Pakistan strong then they could cheat (agencies involvement) in favor of the of the more capable leaders. I bet they wouldn’t want to loose the grip on Pakistani power politics.
Fatah re-elects Mahmoud Abbass the criminal traitor / collaborator who colluded with the Israelis to assassinate Yaser Arafat. That closes the chapter of Fatah in Palestinian Politics.
Now Palestinians have no choice but to continue to support Hamas.
British general says Britain will stay in Afghanistan for forty years. Let’s see whther they can stand the heat for that long. They are starting to loose a considerable number of soldiers now. It is yet to be seen whether can absorb the pressure from the British population.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6788043.ece
Britain’s mission in Afghanistan could last for up to 40 years, the next head of the Army warns today in an exclusive interview with The Times.
wukla gardee continues. Is dafa action hoga american ko chair diya lol
Payback time I suppose, Remember this:
or this:
or this:
@Taukeer,
I understand their anger, but I do not believe they should behave like that. Where is the difference then?
I don’t approve of the lawyers beating up police but I am putting it in perspective.
This is a manifestation of lack of justice and accountability. It is human nature to ensure justice by one way or the other. When institutions fail individuals restore order by taking things in their own hand.
I couldn’t think of that either.
I agree that people tend to take the law in their hand if the state doesn’t deliver justice.
Observer
When making judgements about people- the whole history of the person needs to be looked at rather than one incident.
Let us look at ZAB
1.Advised Ayub to send in the ” Mujahedeen” into Kashmir and that India will not come across the international boundry.-( question about foresight, wisdom and thought process)
2. Responsible for the political mess after the election in 1971 due to his intransigience against Mujeeb.
3. Shredding the Polish proposal to resolve the Bangladesh war as a theatrical gesture in the UN.
4. Taking over the Govt after 1971 disaster but kept Yahya under house arrest and did not try him in open court so he might not spill the beans on ZAB.
5. Appointing a very mediocre Zia over 20 other better candidates for C IN C.
6. Rigging in 1977 and continuing attempts to manipulate every one to suit himself and his interests.
7. Treatment of PPP original creative ideas leaders with contempt and derrision with beatings and insults.
These are just very few bad things that he did.
And in return he has a TAJ MAHAL built for his grave so the idiots in Pakistan can pray to him !
Yes, I largely agree about ZAB. Once more: He was no saint!
and not a man I would vote for!
ZAB’s short comings does not make Zia a saint.
Upside down?
No too long ago the Bhutto clan and the Butt clan was on forced “leave” in UK and with different threats Musharraf ensured that they couldn’t come to Pakistan. Now the tables have turned. It is Musharraf sitting in UK and is “prevented” from returning to Pakistan.
Isn’t it a drama? I don’t think anything will happen. Had it been the case then Pakistan would have demanded him returned to Pakistan. In case Pakistan demanded his extradition then I still don’t believe he will be in Pakistan as long as the threat of trial for treason is there. Most probably he will be flushed out to KSA instead. On that account our treacherous leaders have friends they can count on
I wouldn’t be surprised either if he returned to politics in a few years. PAK politics lacks consistency apart from consistent inconsistency
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/16-musharraf-in-london-hs-07
Gone are those days where Musharraf could do anything and be praised. In the below video he is showing his singing capabilities.
Do also look at all the other snakes praising him.
actually i love this raag and hamid ali khan did a great job, if i was in place of mushy would be doing the same. Wats wrong with media, they compliagning abt mushy enjoying a music party lol. But man wah wah hamid ali khan really sang it and wat raag and wat taan.
Status according to Imran Khan:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmA3zM-MG-o
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giurtRRdOuw
3/8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb0NR1Wgvbk
4/8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsFo73Hubas
5/8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffu7Q2t9Vz8
6/8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5rR6JnFYUs
7/8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pskqCbKUAC4
8/8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MYurD-T1VI
Admin
What the heck is this?
“Your comment is awaiting moderation.”
lol chill out man its wordpress default u post too many links its by ddefault put them under moderation see its published now.
OK….I was afraid we were heading towards PKP
Please do watch the above videos. The host also seems to be sensible. He let’s the guest speak to satisfaction.
Sorry to sound like a IK fan, but IK is heads and shoulders above most of the other politicians – both in wisdom, character and bravery.
This is a very important decision by the SC CJ and supreme court Judicial Council. This need to be backed by Parliment resolution to lock it.
‘SC can’t take suo motu action against Musharraf’
Former president Supreme Court bar Chaudhry Aitzaz Ahsan said on Saturday the Supreme Court could not take suo motu action against Pervez Musharraf’s Nov 3, 2007, actions and it was the government’s prerogative to file a petition against the former president.
He was talking to journalists at the Committee Room of the Karachi Bar Association after addressing a general body meeting of the bar.
He said the government could use its discretionary power and file a petition against Musharraf for high treason charges.
Earlier, he was accorded a warm welcome upon his arrival here.
Asked if he would like to be counsel if a case was filed against Musharraf, he said he should be excused as he had been struggling along with the lawyers for the last two years.
He said that if government was not willing to take action against Musharraf, any individual citizen could file a petition against him and he could be tried in a high court as the Supreme Court was not a trial court.
He said the cases of May 12 and April 9 incidents should be reopened.
About two PCO judges, Chief Justice of Federal Shariat Agha Rafiq and Zahid Hussain of Supreme Court, who were not affected by the July 31 decision, he said that they were not appointed by Dogar.
Earlier in the general body meeting, he said it was the responsibility of legislators and citizens not to derail the democratic process achieved after untiring efforts.
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Can anyone enlighten us. Is AA playing with us again or is he right.
Link: http://thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=23760
That’s right…..AA is not for public use. Please isolate this chameleon.
Two devils celebrating.
Observer
When history of Pakistan is written in 2185- there are two versions that are waiting-
1.Pakistan as a country was destroyed and turned into another Somalia due to the rampant corruption and thievery of it’s political leaders who stole all the country’s money and ran away to Europe.
Or
2. Pakistan to-day is one of the strongest and most prosperous country in the world with an educated population. The credit belongs to that ex- cricketer Imran Khan who single handed- brought the country from the brinks of destruction caused by utter corruption of the previous political leaders.
I am hoping for number 2
I hope and believe in the second scenario too. And I am not a fan of him in the traditional sense. If IK makes wrong move according to my belief I will be the first to critisize him. I don’t care he doesn’t belong to my ethnicity, city etc. What is important for me is that I feel that he speaks what I have in my heart. As long as he does that I will be supporting this man of honor! I think you have similar views about him.
Did you listen to his interaction with Sajjad Mir?
Btw: I was attacked with “nukes” today, when in fact it was you sir, who deserved it
@Simatoree
Btw: I don’t think we have to wait for year 2185 to see a prosperous and strong Pakistan provided if we have a decent leadership. We just need to look east and south east to see good examples of rapid progress in South Korea, Malaysia and Singapore. These are nations who started below our level and has progressed far ahead of us. In fact South Korea used 5 year plans made by a Pakistani (The late Mehboob Ul Haq). We were not able tu utilisize his skills. They did….I need not say more.
If we pull ourselves together (Get rid of PPP and PML-N corrupt leaders). I believe we can take big steps forward in no time. We have skilled man power and very competent Pakistanis both inside and out side the country to do wonders. Pakistan will not be recognisable in just 15-20 years time.
Observer
as a lawyer for the DEVILS-
I strongly protest against your insulting comment equating my clients with the likes of Mush and Bush .
HA HA HA
Agla Qadam
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Observer
1. In ref: to “pak nukes” comment meant for me- the fact that it was targeted for you – says a lot as to who is making the comment and what sort of comment it is.
2. I agree that Pakistan is full of very capable and talented people both inside and outside- but thieves and corrupt robbers have to be removed and that is far more difficult than anyone thinks.
Al-Jazeera Opinion poll
Mr Zardari’s popularity just shy of double digits! At least it beats “X-President”‘s 4% by a wide margin!
I am actually surprised at the 41%. Remember alot of people supported the initial phase of army action. That support was generated by two factors.
1. So called Taliban trying to extend their writ to Buneir.
2. Their refusal to disarm.
These two events compelled people like myself to support the action assuming a sound Military strategy aimed at restoring order.
At the time the support for military action was 67% or there about. I would have assumed that with the passage of time and no end to military action in sight there should have been a greater erosion of support for military action.
lets see if sher-e-punjab has balls to tell the master to shove it where sun dun shine
@nota
or could be vicce versa, get dacait to pick off one group then kill dacait and pikc off rest so PPOP can have loyal banda running the show isntead of semi-independent, dun think PPP is that stupid that will allow mqm to get hold of last safe seat area. Even if PPP do MQM will not succeeed in Liyari.
ahahahaaa nabeel gol matol aur king? hehe..he is King Kong.
@nota
nah zardari, gabool only acting on behalf of his masster
Afzaal
Deobandistan or Pashtunistan: The Taliban will survive Baitullah Meh
Sat Aug 8, 2009 4:12 pm (PDT)
The Taliban will survive Baitullah Mehsud
The Taliban may have been decapitated in Pakistan, but their success is not about the leadership of any one man
o Jason Burke
o guardian.co.uk, Friday 7 August 2009 17.00 BST
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/aug/07/taliban-pakistan-baitullah-mehsud
Behind the rise of Baitullah Mehsud in Pakistan lie factors that are not going to be resolved by a missile fired from a drone.
Firstly, there is the fusion of Pashtun tribal identity with a radical Islamic identity. The latter has only ever really thrived when grafted onto a sense of local belonging. Hamas in the Gaza Strip represent radical Islam and Palestinians. Al-Qaida in the Maghreb, about the only off-shoot of the terror group that is thriving at the moment, are, as their name suggests, firmly fixed on a real location. Al-Qaida in Iraq failed through being insufficiently Iraqi, reduced at the end to pretending leaders were from Baghdad when they were Egyptian. But the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) knew who they were and where they were from. They were Pashtuns from the Pakistani side of the frontier that has split their tribal lands for over a century.
In 1998 and 1999, I travelled widely in FATA (the Federally Administered Tribal Agencies or Areas) where the TTP and Mehsud were strongest. At the time, I met no hostility. In 2001, as bombs rained on Afghanistan, I travelled up into the Khyber Agency and was warned by Pashtun contacts that the Taliban’s war was their war. So, they added, was that waged by al-Qaida. This remains the case today. This intertwining of ethnic identity, religion and politics will take decades to undo.
Secondly, there is the marginalisation of the FATA’s population of four million within Pakistan. That Mehsud led the Pakistani Taliban indicates the residual attraction of the Pakistani state. The Pashtun tribes of the FATA have the lowest levels of literacy, economic development and infrastructural development of anywhere in Pakistan. They are not considered full citizens. Pushed to the margins, they are, in one sense, trying to fight their way into the centre of national political and economic life.
Thirdly, this marginalisation is reflected within the society of the North-West frontier too. The militants are often men who would normally be consigned to the edges of a tribe in terms of status, wealth and power. Mangal Bagh, a major militant leader in the Khyber Agency, is a former truck driver. Mullah Fazlullah, who masterminded the recent Taliban take over of Swat, worked as a labourer on Pakistan’s only ski lift. In Bajaur and Mohmand agencies, the pattern is repeated with senior militants including mechanics, small shopkeepers, itinerant religious teachers. Captured militants I interviewed in Bajaur last year confirm the trend. Mehsud himself has no formal education, only a basic religious understanding and no claim to any authority. He, like many other militants, also comes from a relatively minor sub-tribe and has thus been doubly marginalised. There are social dynamics to this war that escape the casual onlooker.
Finally, over the last three decades something that could be termed the “Deobandi complex” has emerged in the broad spread of land between the Indus and the central Afghan highlands. It is not a state but has virtually every other attribute of statehood short of printing stamps and money. There is religious homogeneity: the conservative southwest Asian Deobandi strand of Sunni Islam that has established itself with its system of mosques and free schools across the region. There is ethnic homogeneity: the Pashtuns. There is a commercial sector of big businessmen involved in smuggling, transport, timber, drugs and a range of legitimate businesses. There is political representation: parties such as Jamaat-e-Ulema-e-Islami. There is diplomacy with connections to the Gulf and elsewhere in the Islamic world. There are significant flows of cash in and out, often through remittances from overseas workers. There is a broadly accepted culture: the conservative, rural, re ligiously-infused values of the Pashun hill tribes. And there is a military: the various Taliban groups. It is unsurprising that those marginalised by other relatively unstable and relatively chaotic political entities € ¦’¶ such as Pakistan € ¦’¶ should look to find a home within Deobandistan or Pashtunistan or whatever name might eventually be put on its passport stamps.
Put all this together and it is fairly clear that drones may tackle symptoms but not causes. It is also clear why, as my colleague Declan Walsh points out elsewhere on this site, another Mehsud may well emerge soon.
@shimatoree
so blame it on deobandis :p so what is driving the TTP and Talibaan. Is it pushtunism or deobandism? I tot it was puhstoon war they getting killed so they fighting back.
This article is from the Guardian. It is their point of view- rather one of their commentator’s point of view.
If you are taking this as MINE- well sorry it is NOT !.
I really dun understand the objections here? Aside from all pros and cons, can we agree just on one single thing. Mehsud killed is better then Mehsud alive. Just Mehsud.
Here come another Jamhoriyaat bachao so called Intellectual, him and nisar ahmed are such retards.
Musharraf booked for judges’ illegal confinement: petitioner
ISLAMABAD: Islamabad police have decided to register a formal FIR against former President Pervaiz Musharraf for judges’ illegal confinement.
The petitioner Aslam Ghuman advocate said Secretariat Police station SHO informed him that FIR has been registered.
On the other hand, according to SHO Hakim Khan, the process of registering case against Musharraf is underway which will be completed according to court orders. Currently, sections are under consideration for the case.
On a petition filed by Chaudhry Mohammad Aslam Ghuman on Monday, Additional Sessions Judge Islamabad Mohammad Akmal Khan Monday ordered police to book the ousted dictator.
The petitioner had submitted an application with the Secretariat Police Station requesting for registration of an FIR against former President Pervez Musharraf and his accomplices including district management and police officers for keeping the judges in illegal confinement along with their families at their houses in the Judges Colony, Islamabad.
@Afzaal
They can book him for another dozen cases, but the fact is that “chirhya urh gay hai” and that means it does not matter. He is not any longer in pakistan and will remain at a safe distance. That was the game plan by both the government (Bhutto worshippers) and the friendly opposition (Butt worshippers) i.e they would “go after” him once he left Pakistan.
an FIR always good, remember an old almost forgotten FIR was used to hang bhutto.
@Afzaal
Yes, in theory.
They could put hands on Bhutto because he was in Pakistan, but it will be very difficult to put hands on Musharraf. He will seek protection in UK and if that fails he will go to KSA.
Anyway the whole procedure is a stunt – no more no less.
The stupid and corrupt nature of Rehman malik knows NO boundaries. He is barking again to get “aid” from his masters.
Link: http://thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=23805
Al-Qaeda can install its own man to run TTP: Malik
“Interior Minister Rehman Malik has said the al-Qaeda could install its own man to run the banned Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) after Taliban leaders were killed in a shoot-out at their Shura meeting.
In an exclusive talk with a private TV channel, Rehman Malik said the al-Qaeda was active across the border and it would try to induct its own man to run the banned organisation with the consultation of those who were supplying weapons and funds to the Taliban.”
Rehman malik is actually saying: “Let us have $$$$ to fight “extremism”"
And further:
“He said the days of the Taliban were numbered, warning them to lay down arms or face the music. “The Taliban should play role for the development of the tribal areas,” he added. He challenged the Taliban leadership, including Hakimullah Mehsud and Waliur Rehman, to appear before the media if they were alive. He said the situation would clear in two or three days.”
Rehman Malik….it doesn’t matter whether they are alive or not. Someone else will take their place and the scenario will largely be unchanged.
I should have screamed and howled louder: ElBaradei
Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Mohamed ElBaradei said during an interview with Time magazine that the biggest regret of his career was his failure to do more to prevent the US attack on Iraq on false pretexts.
The 67-year-old Egyptian is currently serving his third five-year tenure as head of the international nuclear watchdog, during which time he led UN nuclear inspectors in Iraq in the run-up to the US invasion in 2003.
In response to a reader question on what the least satisfying moment of his career was, ElBaradei pointed to the launch of the Iraq war.
‘[The US invasion] worked counter to our mandate because we continued to report to the Security Council that there was no evidence that Iraq had revived its nuclear weapons programme,’ he told Time.
‘Every time I see that hundreds of thousands of people lost their lives on the basis of fiction, not fact, it makes me shudder.’
Answering another question about any bad judgement calls he had made during his tenure, he added: ‘I should probably, before the Iraq war, have screamed and howled harder and louder to prevent people from misusing the information that was made available by us.’
ElBaradei also expressed doubts about whether Iran was pursuing a nuclear weapons programme, an issue repeatedly raised by the US government and its European allies.
Link to baboon Dawn:
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/world/09-i-should-have-screamed-and-howled-louder-elbaradei–szh-08
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Too late to regret now. It’s right that you and your institution where used as usefull idiots/tools. You are partly to be blamed for countless deaths of innocent people in Iraq. It’s a sin which is impossible to forgive.
The culprits are now trying to build the same “consensus” regarding Iran. UK/France are yelling on the sidelines about trials against their spies in Iran. Hopefully in vain.
New tool in the hands of the western gang?
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New chief of IAEA vows to resolve Iran issue
The UN atomic watchdog’s incoming chief Yukiya Amano promised on Friday to do his ‘utmost’ to resolve a long-running nuclear standoff with Iran after governors formally gave their nod of approval to his appointment….
Link: http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/world/14-new-chief-of-iaea-vows-to-resolve-iran-issue-zj-03
According to “sources” 12 “extremists” are killed.
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Link: http://thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=84773
At least 12 extremists have been killed in US surveillance plane attack in South Waziristan Agency, Geo News reported Tuesday.
According to sources, US drone fired missiles at a training camp of extremists established at a house of Zangikhel in Kani Karam area of SWA.
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What the heck….normally it is innocent civilains killed in a most ruthless manner. Shame on the newspaper and the journalist for using such wording without any proof!
Talking to the MNAs, the Prime Minister said the government had taken note of the rising inflation and was taking measures for ensuring that essential kitchen items were available to the people at affordable rates during Ramazan.
He said the democratic government is endeavoring to confront all the challenges including power shortage and inflation with the help of the people.
Link: http://thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=84780
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You are so shameless….you continue to build sand castles to mislead the nation. Only a devoted jiyala can believe your nonsense!
Munno Bhai ko phir dard hoa, faiz sahi farma gaey thai
ke sang-o-Khisht muqayyad hain suq azad.
@Observer Al Baradey was a mere pawn in the hands of the Western establishment. He lacked the “umph” to scream harder! Miserable pawns always think highly of themselves. Kinda compensatory ego bloat syndrome. Miserable gits! At least someone thinks that they have the power to make a difference!
and wukla gardee continues
Khadim e Ala…No comments
And this Khadim-e-ala’s beautiful Lahore
http://dailywaqt.com/120809/Images/fp-02.jpg
Are you not a little bit too harsh against the “khadim-e-ala”, The ” great administrator” Shahbaz Butt?
Look at the faces of those who are enjoying the flooding
Does this is the warning bell for govt, 1st arrow across the bow?
CJ suggested larger bench for NRO review
ISLAMABAD: A two-judge bench of Supreme Court suggested to Chief Justice of Pakistan Justice Iftikhar Muhammed Chaudhry to constitute a larger bench for reviewing the National Reconciliation Ordinance (NRO).
Bench comprising Justice Shakirullah Jan and Justice Raja Fayyaz of the apex court heard the case about the acquittal of a former FIA officer over NRO.
The court said a large bench should be constituted to interpret the entire NRO especially its Section-7 and review the cases up for hearing under this ordinance.
The court was told Section-7 of NRO relates to the acquittal from cases filed prior to 1999.
The court recommended the constitution of a large bench of the apex court and adjourned hearing of FIA officer.
@nota I understand that there is a lot of disquiet in the PMLN about the cozying up towards the west. In any case the Nation is watching and will deliver it’s judgment in the not so distant future.
Just so that our leaders don’t feel that we pick on just them here is a story about my “favorite” politician in the world. I claim to have coined the term Phony Tony back in 1995 when most people had nt seen through his facade of “Progressive thinking” and before his alliance with the Crusaders became pubic knowledge.
Country facing terrorism due to wrong decisions of dictator: PM
For how long do you intend to hide behind the above excuse? Why don’t you undo the wrong decisions i.e. the war in our own country? Why do you continue to follow in the dictators footsteps?
The Bhutto Clan has had power for 1,5 years and I suppose they will continue to bemoan the decisions of Musharraf and when we have change of “guard” i.e. the Butt clan takes over the leadership of the country the Butt brothers will for sure hide behind both your and the dictators decision. Anyhow SHAME on you and shame on the Butt Brothers.
They still crying abt Zia’s decision lol
Lo ji Miyaan bros ki another qalabazi lantee qaum lol
Dude qts is when his lap dog ch, nisar stookd in parliment and did the deed, then we should be asking the lion why he meowing again.? Halbrooke said usa wont be any obstacle in trying mushy after meeting NS
where is our government? Sleeping as usual. Shameful act.
Blind Pakistan cricketers denied visas to Britain
Italics my comments!
Marines try a woman’s touch to reach Afghan “hearts”
By ALFRED de MONTESQUIOU, Associated Press Writer – Fri Aug 14, 2:23 pm ET
KHAWJA JAMAL, Afghanistan – Put on body armor, check weapons, cover head and shoulders with a scarf.
That was the drill for female American Marines who set out on patrol this week with a mission to make friends with Afghan women in a war zone by showing respect for Muslim standards of modesty.
The all-female unit of 46 Marines is the military’s latest innovation in its rivalry with the Taliban for the populace’s loyalty. Afghan women are viewed as good intelligence sources, and more open to the basics of the military’s hearts-and-minds effort — hygiene, education and an end to the violence.
“It’s part of the effort to show we’re sensitive to local culture,” said Capt. Jennifer Gregoire, of East Strasburg, Pa. She leads the Female Engagement Team in the Now Zad Valley of Helmand province, the heartland of the Taliban insurgency.
“If you show your hair, its kind of like seeing a nude picture here, because women are very covered up,” she said.
Women are technically barred from combat units in the Marines, and some infantrymen have been surprised to see them in brightly colored head scarves under their helmets, deployed in the most intense combat zones in the country.
“But … I think they understand that what we’re doing is vital to operations and vital to the counterinsurgency program they want to run,” said Gregoire.
Women soldiers were assigned to search women at checkpoints in Iraq, and the experience fed into the Afghan effort, said Cpl. Sarah Furrer, from Colorado Springs, Colo., who served in both war zones.
“I’m not married and I don’t have children, so they think that’s awkward because I’m 24,” Furrer said of her Iraq experience. But as a result, “we’re not so much afraid of engaging the women” in Afghanistan, she said.
“I’ve found you get great intel from the female population,” said Capt. Zachary Martin, who commands the Golf Company, 2nd Battalion, 3rd Marines, stationed in Now Zad. “The women don’t want their men out there conducting jihad and getting killed.”
Martin said units have frequently received tips from women about weapons caches or hidden bombs.
But just to find the women is a challenge. There were none in sight as Gregoire’s team entered Khwaja Jamal, a village of mud brick homes with no electricity or government presence.
While heavily armed Marines fanned out, the four women started by trying to strike up conversations with the few old men and young children who ventured outdoors.
The several hundred villagers grow wheat and opium poppies in the crossfire between Marines and Taliban fighters who are in the woods less than a mile away.
“They look at us through binoculars. They’ll kill anybody who talks to the Americans,” said Abdul Gayom to explain why the villagers were so wary of meeting the patrol.
1st Lt. Victoria Sherwood was undaunted, talking to him through her Afghan translator. She gave him painkillers for his back, and small presents for the children timidly clustering around. Some of them begged to try on her sunglasses, and promptly made off with them (Bloody Thieves).
Sherwood, from Woodbury, Conn., got Gayom to promise he might let her into his compound to meet his wife, who he said with a shrug is “so old, the Taliban probably won’t care.”
But there was a snag: The translator was male. Could he be in the wife’s presence? “No way,” said Gayom, then asked the Marines for more medicine and goods.
Deeper in the village, an elderly woman eventually appeared on a doorstep. Gusha Halam claimed she was 120 — so old she could do what she pleased. Her black head scarf left her wrinkled face uncovered and revealed some hair, dyed bright orange with henna.
“The Taliban took everything from us. Make them leave,” (SURE AS HELL) Halam said, before her sons and grandsons arrived, stopped the conversation and hustled her indoors.
CIA-Trained Security Chiefs Elected to the Palestinian Leadership
What Actually Happened in Fatah’s Elections?
By Esam AL-Amin
“He is our guy.”
George W. Bush speaking of Palestinian security chief Muhammad Dahlan, June 4, 2003
August 14, 2009 “Counterpunch” — The U.S. government has been meddling in the Palestinian internal affairs since at least 2003. Its effort is to transform the Palestinian national movement for liberation and independence into a more compliant or quisling government, willing to accede to Israel’s political and security demands.
The tactics employed by the U.S. include military, security, diplomatic, and political components. With the ascension of Hamas after the 2006 legislative election, U.S. strategy has been fixed on unraveling the election results. Its aim for a political comeback of the pro-American camp within the Palestinian body politic has been initiated with the convening of Fatah’s national conference this last week.
During the week of August 4, 2009, the Palestinian National Liberation Movement Fatah, convened its sixth national conference in its 44-year history. Fatahhas historically been considered the largest Palestinian faction, but that perception changed when it lost the legislative elections to Hamas in January 2006. As the group wrapped up its conference after eight days, it announced the results of its elections. The international media, particularly western outlets, framed the election as “fresh” and “new” faces ascending to power in the movement. But what actually happened in the vote?
Fatah’s internal structure is unlike most political parties or resistance movements. It is not hierarchical and its members’ loyalty largely follows a system of patronage and factionalism embodied in a 23-member Central Committee.
The Central Committee is technically supposed to reflect a system of collective leadership and the political program of a national liberation movement. Even its founder, the late Yasser Arafat, who led the organization from its inception in 1965 until his death in 2004, did not have an official title beyond that of a member of the committee and commander-in-chief of its military wing. But over time, in the eyes of many Palestinians, Fatah’s leadership has symbolized, a system of cronyism, corruption, collaboration with Israel, and political failures, especially since the Oslo process.
Although its internal charter calls for a national conference every four years to elect its leadership, the major questions at the eve of this conference were: Why did it take Fatah two decades to convene this one? Did the election of Fatah’s new leadership reflect the aspirations of the Palestinian people and a new and fresh approach to the political process? And finally, who are the backers of the main individuals who were recently elected to lead it?
Fatah’s Central Committee led by Arafat made the strategic decision in 1988 to negotiate a political settlement with Israel, and accept the United States government as the main broker. For two decades, especially in the aftermath of the 1993 Oslo accords, the Palestinian issue gradually receded from the international agenda, becoming an almost exclusive affair between the U.S, Israel, and the Palestinian leadership whether it was the PLO or after 1994, the Palestinian Authority (PA).
Most neutral Middle East analysts such as Robert Malley, the Middle East Program Director at the International Crisis Group, and a former National Security Council (NSC) staff member during the Clinton administration, observe that American negotiators throughout several administrations (both Democratic and Republican) have mostly adopted the Israeli point of view and placed most of the pressure on the Palestinian leadership (whether Bill Clinton with Yitzhak Rabin and Ehud Barak, or George W. Bush with Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert.)
During the first term of the Bush administration, Arafat, as the head of the PA, was isolated, while Washington promoted those within the Palestinian leadership such as Mahmoud Abbas (imposed on Arafat as prime minister in 2003), and former security chief Muhammad Dahlan, both of whom embraced the American strategy in the region. In 2005, Bush declared his freedom and democracy agenda, demanding elections in the Palestinian territories, and hoping for a Fatah victory to implement his vision.
However, the administration soon abandoned its agenda of promoting democracy in the Arab world when Hamas won a landslide victory in the January 2006 legislative elections. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice expressed shock about the results saying, “No one saw it coming.” A Department of Defense official told David Rose of Vanity Fair in 2008, “Everyone blamed everyone else,” “We sat there in the Pentagon and said, ‘Who the f*@# recommended this?’?”
Ever since that election, the American administration employed three different but overlapping strategies in order to undo the results. These efforts by the State Department, the White House and the Defense Department, were scantily planned and poorly coordinated.
Throughout 2006 and the first half of 2007, the State Department used its diplomatic resources and political muscle to topple the democratically-elected Palestinian government led by Hamas. In an April 2008 report, Vanity Fair disclosed that an American talking point memo emerged after a U.S. diplomat accidentally left it behind in a Palestinian Authority building in Ramallah. The document echoed Rice’s demand that Abbas dissolve the national unity government and take on Hamas.
Meanwhile, as detailed by Vanity Fair, neo-con and NSC deputy director Elliot Abrams was plotting a coup in Gaza against Hamas with former Gaza security chief Muhammad Dahlan in the spring of 2007. It included coordination with Israel, several Arab countries such as UAE and Jordan, payments to Dahlan of over $30 million, the training of five hundred security personnel, a campaign to destabilize Gaza, and a torture program against Hamas members and other Islamists.
Dahlan admitted as much to the magazine’s writer, David Rose, saying that he told his American counterpart who was pushing for a confrontation with Hamas, “If I am going to confront them, I need substantial resources. As things stand, we do not have the capability.”
The Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported on June 7, 2007, that the American administration had asked Israel to authorize a large Egyptian arms shipment, including dozens of armored cars, hundreds of armor-piercing rockets, thousands of hand grenades, and millions of rounds of ammunition. Rose explains that Abrams’s plan stressed the need to bolster Fatah’s forces in order to “deter” Hamas. According to a senior administration official the “desired outcome” was to give Abbas “the capability to take the required strategic political decisions (i.e. fulfilling the Israeli conditions for a political settlement) and dismissing the (Hamas led) cabinet, establishing an emergency cabinet.”
But Dick Cheney’s Middle East advisor, David Wurmser, admitted the failed effort when he told the magazine, “It look(ed) to me that what happened wasn’t so much a coup by Hamas but an attempted coup by Fatah that was pre-empted (by Hamas) before it could happen.”
The third effort, was mainly overseen by the Pentagon, and led by Lt. General Keith Dayton. In a speech before the pro-Israel think tank, the Washington Institute on Near East Policy (WINEP) in May 2009, he said that the Office of the U.S. Security Coordinator, which he has been leading since December 2005, is “an effort to assist the Palestinians in reforming their security services.” But according to the notes of a meeting between Dayton and a Palestinian security chief in Ramallah in early 2007, the real purpose of the mission was revealed when Dayton said, “[W]e also need to build up your forces in order to take on Hamas.”
Since 2007, Congress has given Dayton $161 million dollars to implement his plan. In addition, this year Congress appropriated an additional $209 million dollars to Dayton for the 2009 and 2010 fiscal years, to accelerate his program after receiving high marks from Israeli security chiefs. In the past year alone, more than 1,000 Hamas and Islamic Jihad members have been arrested and detained without trials, with many tortured and killed under interrogation, by U.S.-trained Palestinian security personnel in the West Bank. Amnesty International and many other human rights organizations have condemned these actions and called for an immediate halt to the human rights abuses of Palestinian detainees in PA prisons.
In his WINEP speech Dayton acknowledged this crackdown when he said, “I don’t know how many of you are aware, but over the last year-and-a-half, the Palestinians have engaged upon a series of what they call security offensives throughout the West Bank, surprisingly well coordinated with the Israeli army.” He further admitted that during the 22-day Gaza war last winter, U.S.-trained Palestinian security forces prevented Palestinians in the West Bank from organizing mass protests against the Israeli army, which ironically allowed for the reduction of the Israeli military presence in the West Bank in order to redeploy those troops to Gaza. Dayton added, “As a matter of fact, a good portion of the Israeli army went off to Gaza from the West Bank— think about that for a minute, and the (Israeli military) commander (of the West Bank) was absent for eight straight days.”
After a failed coup and brutal military offensive failed to dislodge Hamas from Gaza, the Israeli and U.S. strategy sought to intensify its pressure against Hamas through a suffocating economic siege in Gaza, massive security detentions in the West Bank, financial squeeze in the region and political isolation internationally. Meanwhile, according to several Hamas spokesmen, including the deposed prime minister Ismael Haniyya in Gaza and political chief Khaled Meshal in Damascus, the main obstacle to any national reconciliation with Fatah has been the detention of hundreds of Hamas members and the PA’s security collaboration with the military occupation overseen by Dayton.
The next phase in this effort is to reinvent Fatah and present it as a viable political alternative to Hamas and other resistance movements by improving the living conditions in the West Bank in contrast to Gaza’s devastating siege. But more important, the plan envisions a new Fatah that is considered a reliable partner willing to accomodate Israel’s conditions for a political settlement. The sixth Fatah conference and accompanying elections was thus convened to dispose of its corrupt and dysfunctional image.
For over a year, the Central Committee, the highest body in its structure, could not agree on many major issues, including where to hold the conference (the final decision was to hold it in the occupied Palestinian territories, which means that Israel has a veto on which delegates from abroad would be allowed to participate). They also squabbled about which delegates would be appointed to the conference, which would determine the composition of the new leadership, as well as the political program and the role of armed resistance against the occupation. Abbas and his inner circle vetoed the decision of the committee, and decided to hold the conference in Bethlehem, virtually hand-picking all the participants to guarantee the election outcome.
Historically, the delegates to Fatah’s national conference were elected or appointed by the Central Committee, but at least fifty-one percent came from the military apparatus. Since most of the military wing has either been disbanded or wanted by the Israelis, a large number of the delegates to this conference were security personnel substituting for the military ones. This fact guaranteed that the election results would be skewed towards the security chiefs and their supporters.
The original number of delegates was supposed to be around 700. Then it increased to 1,250 but eventually mushroomed to 2,355. Less than ten percent were actually indirectly elected by the virtue of their positions, while the overwhelming majority was appointed by a small group in Ramallah led mainly by Abbas and other power brokers such as Dahlan and former West Bank security chief Jibreel Rujoub, who used to hang the picture of former CIA director George Tenet above his desk alongside that of Arafat.
The number of Central Committee members was also increased from 21 to 23, with 19 directly elected by the delegates. Abbas was to appoint four members later, but he himself was chosen by acclamation, to avoid embarrassment if he does not garner first place in a direct election. The 18 individuals who were elected at the end of the week-long conference comprised four from the “old guard” who are considered close to Abbas, and 14 new members, three of whom are former security chiefs who’ve been close to the CIA. These include Dahlan, Rujoub, and Tawfiq Tirawi, a former intelligence chief, who is currently heading a security training academy in Jericho under the supervision of Gen. Dayton.
From the outset, this conference was heavily tilted towards delegates from the West Bank. Unlike previous conferences, Palestinians in the Diaspora were hardly represented since Israel allowed only a few people to enter from abroad. While Gaza’s population is equal to that of the West Bank, less than 400 people were selected as delegates from Gaza, while there were over three times as many delegates from the West Bank.
But most of the Gaza delegates did not even attend because Hamas prevented them from leaving the strip, demanding in return that hundreds of its detained members in the West Bank be freed by the PA, which it summarily refused. In short, aside from Dahlan, who no longer lives in Gaza, not a single elected person is from or lives in Gaza. This prompted the entire Fatah leadership in Gaza, including former Central Committee member Zakariya al-Agha, to resign en mass one day after the conference, protesting not only the results, but also the whole election process.
Similarly, Fatah members abroad did not fare well. Only two people were elected to the Central Committee, though more than two-thirds of Palestinians (eight million) live outside of the Palestinian territories, many in squalid refugee camps, with the “right of return”, considered a hot- button issue in future negotiations, up in the air. On the other hand, the overwhelming majority of the new members were either from the West Bank or already living in Ramallah as part of Abbas’ closest aides, affirming the American-led ‘West Bank first’ strategy.
Some of the historic old guard who oppose Abbas’s political program such as Central Committee secretary Farouk Kaddoumi or Hani Al-Hassan did not even attend or run as candidates. Kaddoumi condemned the conference, questioned its legitimacy, and went as far as accusing Abbas and Dahlan of plotting with the Israelis to poison Arafat, eventually causing his death.
Other former members who ran as candidates were defeated and cried foul. Former prime minister and negotiator Ahmad Qurai (Abu Alaa) questioned the credentials of the delegates and the integrity of the election procedure. When Abbas chief of staff, Tayeb Abdel-Rahim lost, he demanded a recount and was eventually declared a winner, after the election committee claimed he was actually tied for last. Many delegates, especially female candidates, all of whom lost, criticized this blatant cronyism. Nevertheless, several popular and “clean” candidates were able to win a seat such as Marwan Bargouthi, who is serving five life sentences in Israel, and Mahmoud Al-Aloul, a former mayor of Nablus.
As Palestinians watched this conference unfold, many were hoping that it would be the beginning of a national reconciliation and the establishment of a unity government. However, it seems that as a result of this conference Fatah itself may further disintegrate, as its Gaza leaders and Abu Alaa are threatening to launch a new faction called “Fatah Awakening,” further increasing division and tension within the Palestinian ranks.
The next step in the strategy of the pro-American camp is to hold presidential and legislative elections in the Palestinian territories next January, hoping to present a rejuvenated Fatah as an alternative to Hamas and other resistance movements. Jonathan Steele of the Guardian further exposed on June 22, 2007 the U.S. “hard coup” of June ’07, as well as its political strategy. He detailed US officials’ conversations with several Arab regimes. These were, among others, “ ‘to maintain President Abbas and Fatah as the center of gravity on the Palestinian scene’, ‘avoid wasting time in accommodating Hamas,’ ‘undermining Hamas’s political status,’ and ‘calling for early elections.’”
In the words of Gen. Dayton, the Palestinian personnel trained by the U.S pledge after their graduation that they “were not sent here to learn how to fight Israel, but were rather sent here to learn how to keep law and order.” The main purpose of these security battalions is to halt any resistance to or rejection of the occupation including non-violent means. He then added that senior Israeli military commanders frequently ask him, “How many more of these new Palestinians can you generate, and how quickly?”
Many of the questions, posed by ordinary Palestinians before the conference, remain unanswered. What is Fatah’s political program in light of the current Israeli intransigence and pre-conditions? What of national reconciliation with other Palestinian factions and the establishment of a national unity government? What is the role of resistance against the occupation, the suffocating siege against Gaza, and most importantly, the continuous collaboration with the Israeli security agencies and military against their own citizens?
These questions persist while Israel’s occupation and its brutal policies, the expansion of settlements, the separation wall, the detention of over 11,000 Palestinians, the expropriation of land, the depopulation of East Jerusalem’s Palestinian residents, and the denial of Palestinian refugees’ right of return, continue unabated.
Simply put, the U.S. wants a Palestinian leadership that will answer these questions in a way that is satisfactory to Israel. As one State Department official said to Vanity Fair regarding American objectives in the Israeli-Palestinian struggle, “[W]e care about results, and [we support] whatever son of a bitch [w]e have to support. Dahlan was the son of a bitch we happened to know best.”
Tariq Butt has a very interesting article in The news.
Islamabad gossip
Only In Pakistan
Shouting singer forces Pak pilot to divert flight
Rawalpindi, Aug. 15 : A domestic flight in Pakistan was diverted back to Islamabad after a female singer on board started shouting to get her purse back, which she believed had been forgotten at the departure lounge.
Shabnam Majeed, who was flying back to Lahore in the PIA flight PK-653 after performing at the Independence Day celebration at the Presidency overnight, started shouting mid-flight and forced the pilot to divert back the flight to Islamabad, The Dawn reports.
She claimed that the purse contained 18,000 rupees in cash, credit card and gold ornaments.
However, the singer failed to recover her bag at the departure lounge of Benazir Bhutto International Airport, and lodged a complaint with the PIA authorities.
This incident caused a considerable delay of the flight and inconvenience to all the passengers.
oh yaar tum bhi na samjha karoo presidency main thee raat ka khumar utra nahi tha na;)
Now thats wat u call dimplomacy lol
Thank God every party is not acting like a cheap prostitute
What can we say else than GHUNDA RAAJ
Kaheen to govt nay ghairat dikhai – good job
The job is only half done. The Americans have cleverly taken the obvious action, BUT Pakistan Should have declared the culprit #*%¤# as persona non grata!!!!
well done prya mqabool jaan
@nota
I tot it wasn’t possible but I have coming to hate NS and ilk. These morons are only interested in grabbing power, no thought wat so ever. It has come to the poiont I have to start taking Zardari and co seriously cuz atleast dun matter how retard they are they atleast doing things (albeit all the wrong things and damaging things to pakistan) but atleast they are not dithering fools like the lion. Who has nothing concrete for anything except hum asoloon ki siyasat kar arhey hain lol
@nota
how about a short article titled dithering fool?
This should be wakeup call for Pak military, US suicide rate is already climibing and now it has hit close to home. I hope Pak military leadership is aware of the stress and taking care of Jawans.
The stressed soldier
U know he is like george galloway, ik dam patree se utar jata hai lolz sahi boltey boltey pata nahi ajeeb si batain lol Looses all credibility wityh his audeiences i.e western one.
17th August once again and once again criminal silence on media, Dun matter u hate or like zia, does anyone realize that our top military cream was wiped out. And how much damage was done by that single act to Pakistan?
But no zia dead so who cares.
agar zia ul haq shaheed tha tau reema aur meera bhi shaheed kehlaeyn gi inshAllah.
jab bhutto shaheed ho sakta hai to sab allowed hai lol
Comparison per kyon aa jatay ho tum? Standard tau phir Bhutto hi hai tum logon ka…..afsoos…
Does Zaid Hamid have credibility to speak against ANYBODY?
this guy is seriously nut. I dun doubt his patriotism (who am I 2 doubt anyone except certain ppl who i know for fact are bikao) but God this guy realy is nutcasse. Nadan dost se dana dusshman acha wali misal is par sadiq
yeah then the retards messed it up:( we could have gotten kashmir oh zia sahib we miss u
Oh zia ul haq kaash tum zinda hotay tau yeh qaum tumhara khoon pi jati mardood.
@nota
Informative videos from Dunya TV. I suppose you have a (strong) opinion about the events. Why don’t you attach some comments to the videos?
^^@nota
So Kamran Khan report was right hey Khursheed shah how abt an apology lol. Now qts is did he get fired cuz the report leaked or did he get fired ke PM ko sharam aagai lol
Hai os zood pasheemaan ka pasheeman hona. Where is farzana bari, and the retards aasma jahanigir now have a concern. Where are all the politicians who wanted SWAT operation.
Extrajudicial deaths in Swat?
Presence of Military in US Embassy challenged in Sindh High Court.
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/aug2009-daily/11-08-2009/u2119.htm
Humayun Akhtar should take ayat ullah durani to court, thats typical PPP govt. Time to kick this govt out
Fed Minister of State Hina Rabbani Khar with Hol-crook, sharing a private moment publicly.
No wondeHollbrooke bhag bhag ker Pakistan ata hai…This bloddy 18 gradeka officer in america acts like the king of the world.
nota you are forgetting shauket aziz.
Hina Rabbani aziz khar tareen holbrooke……and to be continued…
After thier qalabazi on Cheeni, I cant just wait them to take on judiciary. Ohhhhh am gettng soooooo exciyted lol
everytime she opens her mouth I want to telll her take a deep breath, take a deep breath again, now think, finish, take anotehr 2 deep breaths and think again. do it 5 more times an IA u will realize to STFU
yeah that was good political move by PML – N but zardari was smart didn’t fel for that. Cuz if he had been PM he would have no excuse and all the reason to repeal 17trh amendment as quickly as he could, then PML – N would have made thier move and try to grab the govt. Zardari played it smart but this does beg a question, with Zardari taking all the blamees for broken deals and stuff, did he really had reason to suspect PML -N shehnigans and replied in his customary style?
@nota
I thought long and hard but I coudn’t think of any other person who could appreciate this news. And wait till elections are over when western media will be leading with headlins, Afghanis defy Taliban and vote for democracy lol.
Afghan polling stations shut amid fears of voting fraud
Obama’s Blackwater? Chicago Mercenary Firm Gets Millions for Private “Security” in Israel and Iraq
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Ballots and Bullets for Afghanistan
and it just keep getting better
PM sacks acting chairman of Pakistan Steel
ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani sacked the acting chairman of Pakistan Steel Mills (PSM), Rasul Bux Phulpoto.
According to reports, the appointment of Phulphoto as acting Chairman PSM has been annulled by the PM Gilani as he was not taken into confidence by the Ministry of Industries and Production over the decision.
On Tuesday, Premier Gilani had dismissed the then PSM chairman Moin Aftab Shiekh for corruption charges.
@afzaalkhan
I see some serious tussle because this MD was Zardari man and more corrupt than ex-Chairman
@jazoo
I love ppl selfdestructing themselves, unfortunately Munnawaar hasan sahib is right even with midterm election situation wont be fixed. As PPP and co will be substituated by PML-N and MQM lol
SC of Pakistan once again trying to run govt, naked judicial activism, hey Mr.CJ how abt leave the running of govt and do things that are ur jobs. How abt opening the missing person cases or Ruling on constitutionlity of NRO. SC has no right to interfere in what taxes govt imposed only if they are imposed in violation of constitution. So stay out of trying to run the govt or resign and become a politician.
SC wants explanation over POL taxes
Yeah and its none of SCOP and CJ business its govt right to impose taxes watever they feel like and they will be answerable to parliment and masses. This is going toward the BD model, army and judiciary running Pakistan. Someone should explain to CJ he wasnt restired by Pak public 4 this nonsense/
You are way off limit here
First its not a suomoto case.
On the findings of Bhugwan Das reports plaintiff are two Pakistani one from PPP Rukhsana Zuberi and other is Jhagra of PMLN.
Its the job of Govt to impose Taxes and its also the job of Govt to justify them….If they do not justify and Parliament failed to take notice….SC can intervene suomoto or on prompting of Pakistani citizens who are effected by these Taxes.
I wish this forum carry a balance attitude.
No it cant read the constitution. Its explicitly states SC will interpretate constitution. All over the world Govt impose taxes fairly or infairly they pay the price through elections. If deficit went too high and govt impose taxes on rich crippling taxes SC can’t interfere in it.
If SC is so excited and concern about taxes then why don’t it strike down the estate tax, which is completly unislamic and against every rational. Since when in an Islamic state Govt has become the waris of a death person? Why should govt take a slice out of my estate? This is one example of tax interference where SC will be completly justified and should interfere as it is unconstitutional tax policy of govt. But do we hear SC talking about it? No. Then why SC is interfering in the taxation policy of the govt? It has no right to do so, as unfair taxes doesn’t me unconstitutional taxes, if that would ahve been standard then SC would have to write the tax code and Govt will have no say in it.
U said
With all due respect all opinions are allowed ur free to post ur views or do u want only views that conform to ur views? Noone is stopping you to post ur views and debate them. I disagree with you doesn’t mean I will ask for censorship of ur comments. Either u convince me am wrong or I convince u. If we both dun then we agree to disagree.
Another example of judiciary running amock
The judge has shown its bias and should voulantrily rescue himself. Dun matter wat the accused said your job is not to pass comments ur job is to judge on the issue with facts and evidence.
@afzaalkhan
Don’t get me wrong
Theres no question regarding fair handling on this forum.
What make me little uncomfortable is the feelings I get that all the disgruntled gathered here just to bash everything they can think of.
Unfortunately we are living in a system less country where so far the words coming out of executive mouth were treated as law and just.
When I see an attitude where posters can bash every politician and every judge and every bureaucrat which is not even wrong because as saying goes “eis hamam mein sab nange hein”.
I always an optimist and always ready to give people another chance…In this doom situation some judges like Iftekhar Chaudhary and politician like NS admit publicly they did wrong and they are ready to mend…I for sure will give them a chance.
If PPP is wrong
JI is wrong
PMLN is wrong
Imran Khan is wrong
PMLQ is wrong
Musharaf is wrong
Kiyani is wrong
Pak Army is wrong
CJ Iftekhar is wrong
ANP is wrong
What we are doing in this country where there is no light left to see and depend on.
You may call is false hope but my hopes are high with CJ and to some extent with PMLN…They are bashed for trivial matters like why NRO is not being put to task yet and why Musharaf is not hanged yet…without giving them due respect for playing on hard turf and walking a delicate line where they do not have to be thrown out of system because some posters at sohnidhurti are not satisfied with their non purified state of handling.
And re CJ your most of accusations are not only absurd but stupendously ludicrous.
@jazoo
If u watch this program U should know why the optimism level is so low.
http://www.sohnidhurti.com/2009/08/19/islamabad-tonight-19-august-2009/
It is now abundantly clear. Pakistani awwam are there worst enemy. Lets have elections, which I can assure you wouldn’t be fair and the funniest thing is the powers to be wont even have to rig the elections. You might ask why they won’t be fair if they not rigged, same way they are rigged in USA. Certain number of seats are moroosi seats i.e feduals or ilaqa barey sahib completly controls them and no matter wat anyone say the voters will vote that person in. That is almost the case with most of rural areas. Couple that with that powerful family members are of same clans are in different parties thus assuring that whichever party comes into power the powerful remains in power. In urban area take the example of Karachi, to hold free and fair elections you would have to completely neutralize MQM, doing that will make MQM again gain sympathy vote.
Pakistani awwam have tried all parties over and over except JI and PTI and they will not get the power, until unless we have major revolt by Pakistani awwam. That said, if we talks about making Pakistan strong and institution strong, then we have to crictize everyone irregardless of who they are and appreciate all good done by anyone dun matter how much we hate them. The institutions get strong when everyone realize the limits and responsiblities. When someone try to meddle too much and do it alone they will loose. Lets say tom Parliment decide SC CJ Iftikhar has contempted the parliment on tax issue, they can really change the law and go by COD or original 1973 and can impeach and remove CJ. And I can assure you not a single person will come out to help Justices this time, atleast not me. Why cuz CJ didn’t do the job they were supose to do, as I mentioned dun interfere in govt affairs but emphasize rule of law so eg SC should have gone staright to missing person case, NRO etc that have huge impact on society. Let the govt be the more they mess up the more ppl will realize and will want to remove them, the more SC interfere the more perception gets the govt been picked on by Judiciary which has ties with PML -N thus opposition.
Judiciary shouldn’t take political consideration its not thier mandate, their mandate is 2 rule impartially and on facts. Saying NRO is parliment matter is wrong it was passed by a dictator and benfited thieves they have a moral, professional and constitutional duty (preserved by blood of Pakistanis) to declare it illegal and to hell with concequences. System is already not there what is there to preserve? Lets say NRO gets thrown out, President ahs to resign, but PM and parliment is not effected, Senate chairman can be out and Deputy chairman gets in and u can have caretaker President.
System can move on, we lost the whole leadership on 17th august 1998. Rightfully or wrongly they were the one running the country. System moved on. Senate chairman took over. Benazir was murdered, but elections ahppened. U want to fix system make law paramount and dun bring in political consideration, SC is hope then they should deliver, lets say they make POL tax illegl, govt will name it something else then someone else will go and file another petition and so forth n so on, awwam dun get relieve. U have to take out the roots.
Hope this explains.
@afzaalkhan
Hopefully you understand the case of missing persons, NRO and article 6 are very sensitive cases need some time and strength gained by CJ…The first step has been taken to purify the judiciary.
I am not sure about cases of missing persons and Musharaf high treason but I am confident NRO is next on SC list…I will give you one example why.
Recently through Salman Taseer and Latif Khota, Zardari had started playing dirty games about the procedure of new appointment of judges.
Now SC would be engaged in these matters and declared interfering with executive authorities…which no one but our own beloved afzaalkhan already accusing SC of similar matters.
So before SC goes onto NRO they would be accused bias and meddling with executive affairs and surprisingly you pointed out rightly that CJ would be referenced but not to Supreme Judicial Council but to Parliament and after simple majority from parliament would be removed by an Ordinance.
And this time you will not come out on street because CJ did not do his job with your priorities…very funni and I believe you need to keep your face clear in this matter.
@Jazoo I agree that sometimes we are too critical of others and too impatient.
Let us hope that the Judiciary and PMLN live up to people’s expectations otherwise there will be a very bloody revolution.
@taukeer
We have no options but to link our hopes with some dim but visible light.
We ourselves are not perfect but we expect perfect approach from our politicians.
@jazoo and tauqeer
Jo dara voh mara. This CJ and this SC allowed Mushy to take part in the election defering his elegibility to later date, after weeks and weeks of hearing. That was one bone head move and that resulted in re-election of Mushy and Nov 3, how much it cost us cuz SC decided to take political consideration while delievering. Justice is blind, SC dun have to try Mushy, but the missing person case, dr. afia case should be top priority. If the cases are sensitive then no justice will be done. How long it has been that judiciary been restored? have u heard a single hearing abt missing person? All the cases are political cases. U telling me its more urgent for SC to talk abt taxation codes and right then talk abt NRO and missing person. Wait tilll PML -N give the node, u will watch same Judiciary doing the cases of NRO etc. And if anyone think noone can touch judiciary, they might want to think again. All parliment needs is 2/3 majority to mold the judiciary the way they want. Tom if parliment decide, CJ has no role in selecting parliment, abolist supreme judicial council, and PM gets abolsute right to nominate judges, which btw has been the law then wat can judiciary do? All these will be par with constitution and are normal practices in parlimentary system.
Btw SC has all the time to listen to complaints of Khusra and allowing sex work workshops in Pakistan, I guess after Mushy’s elightment its not sensitive issue
Bloody Revolution. Baigharat saley sab. Am gonna start suporting JI. To hell with all.
@jazoo
And thats wat i mean good for Biloor to tell judges to mind thier bussiness.
I said same thing here
http://www.sohnidhurti.com/2009/08/19/the-new-great-game/#comment-2013
I have np with check and balances. It is the job of judiciary to curb and check the parliment power that are unconstitutional. This is the same judge who remarked during hearing of Sufi Mohd that ppl who dun accept courts are coming in front of court for mercy. This show bias of court. A judge has not only to deliever justice but appear just too. By remarking that he has tainted himself and should recuse right away. Regarding the Sugar prices,once again judge goes accusing one party of illegality, Does he have any prove? And even if he does they he should be prosecuting the case not judging the case. My point is be a judge, donot pass remarks, judge on facts and evidence. If we want democrartic institutions then we have to allow parliment to work, be it national or provincial, we have to allow them blunder so ppl can see,if the sugar prices high thats not in the perview of courts thats govt problem and the populace,.
Now u can come with a case if someone challenge a procedure of pricing base on violation of some rights. Since the case is govt cant raise price, the premise is wrong and should not be heard by court.
and thats why I said, the premise should be scam not the prices. Then court can come in, but if court gonna dictate wat should be taxation and prices then why the parliment? Point is go from the premise of illegality not to dictate taxation policy.
@afzaalkhan
Since when pointing towards a crime is POLITICS.
I don’t know what are the circumstances and in what reference judge pointing towards an allege crime and on what source.
Whatsoever…..ANP and Biloor are not angel.
@nota
I think we should not waste our time to invoke article 6….if guarantees are given then let them be it.
Musharaf could be tried on many cases where Govt. intervention is not needed and one of them could be missing persons and probably corruptions like Bank of Punjab and 55 billion written off for Ch Shujaat and group.
@jazoo
dun matter if they angel or not? Judge has no right to remark b4 the case is concluded, he has already shown his bias how can the verdict be just? Ur not understanding the point. Courts have to be just and impartial, we all know that Mushy is guilty but a court has to hear case on merits and evidence and dun issue any pretrial, intertrial remarks that will show bias, If thats the case then Bhutto was justly hanged too. Cuz u accepting the judges as being biased.,
Talking of being angel, none of the judges sitting in court are angles, they did take oath under Mushy 1st PCO and It was same SC becnh that deferred the decision and allowed legal wiggle room for mushy to be reelected in unifiorm by parliment,. Most of them did allow Mushy constitutinal power, the judiciary stand is like media’s we are all angles and everyone is corrupt.
@jazoo
and thats what I mean its parliment job dun interfere see pliticians know they messed up so they trying to fix it, but b4 parliment even get to do anything Court has already jumped in.
NA body directs cutting Rs8/kg summarily
@nota
that last decision abt NOv 3rd act being illegal was wrong on so many levels and ur absolutely right SC being remote controlled by PML – N.
Rumor hot is its not minus 1 its actually minus 3. PML -N playing too cute.
Panam 303 Flight was blown in response to that. Funny how western media dun mention this when commenting on release of libyan culript.
Iran Air Flight 655 (IR655), a commercial flight, that flew from Bandar Abbas, Iran to Dubai, UAE, was shot down on Sunday July 3, 1988, towards the end of the Iran Iraq War, by the U.S. Navy guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes somewhere between Bandar Abbas and Dubai, killing all 290 passengers and crew aboard, including 38 non-Iranians, 66 children and one pregnant woman. The USS Vincennes was inside Iranian territorial waters at the time.
via videosift.com
dude plz dun post neocons links lol. CFP is a rag for the moronic neocon of canada shouldn’t even say neocon. All conservatives i.e western specially US and Canada are retard ass morons and shouldn’t be allowed to breed. Take Canadian PM Stephen Harper and his conservative govt since they ahve come into power, if ur muslim and canadian citizen ur citzenship ant worth shit. This is the latest example Canadian sues government for abandoning her in Kenya
Thats actually low, only 20 staffers is very low for 1st lady of USA. They going after her since the primaries, 1st came the crap abt some alleged video where she allegedly said “i hate whitey” turned out the video dun even exist and then when they were called on they posted youtube video of her in trinity church which was laughable. Then came the famous “for the 1st time in my life am proud to be american” crap, latesr ohhhh she wore shorts on vacation. Fox going crazy over that. I have problem with Obama but his wife is off limits.
Cuz 1st ladies are off limits, though a public figure she is not public person as being elected. As a 1st lady she needs an office and she needs staff, not something new she did but she is just following tradition. She has not interfered in any public policy eg health care Like Hilary did, But Lara Bush did literacy and was the brain for behind “no child left behind” edcuation policy of Bush. The objection then should be on the policy not the person.
2nd Its american tax payers which dun have on majority np with 1st lady, so who are we? 3rd when Hilary tried health care reform the conservative media pillorizeed her when Nancy Reagan was effectively running the presidency that was np with conservatives. The original report came from John Stossel the idiotic moron who thinks Bush was the Messiah from God sent to kill all muslims and have christianity #1. Who getting smacked left and right for every report he does due to factual errors and distortions he put in. He is fox news on ABC.
difference was he was already Mr. 10 % muahahhauahahhaha
Anyone read this? Irfan Siddiqui has a valid point regarding why PML -N not bring resolution, he says if they bring the resolution will be rejected or abstained by all present in Assembly thus giving legal cover to Musharraf, any thoughts abt it?
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/aug2009-daily/22-08-2009/col1.htm
@ nota
I actually will respectfully differ with u on that point, I never thought of this way and its a very valid point if aseembly rejects the motion it defacto makes the case that assembly has at minimum decided article 6 dun apply.
As for PML -N SC petetition I would say good move, and its a valid legal point that SC shuld take and give us interpretation what exactly Article 6 does. That is SC job so once we get a full hearing and we lay down thats wat article 6 is we can then have a established defination otherwise u will be debating with Altaf kaliya muhhahhahahaha
so u saying esteemed senator has a concious independent of party – lol
@afzal since when 1st Ladies became off limit!!!
For me it is a dog eat dog situation. Let me just enjoy!
I have called Obama a BUMMER and I believe those of you pinning your hopes on “CHANGE” will be using the same words to describe him in a few years and after a few tears!
Why don’t you get it. It is so f******* obvious!
call it male chivalry but am always gentleman till she dun meddle in public policy she can do watever she want.
My problem was with conservative media hate them so much even when they right I will do opposite lolz
BTW Ramadan Mubarak to all Saturday August 22,2009 most ppl in North America have started Ramadan.
Same in the UK. Ramadan started in the UK today. Wish everyone well.
Ramadan mubarak to all
Israeli soldiers are abducting Palestinians to steal their organs
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3763958,00.html
yes, most sites are afraid of being labelled as anti Semitic etc. many are not even referring to the spat between Sweden and Israel in a fear of being caught in the crossfire. You know that “freedom of speech” has another meaning when it is Israel. When the Muslims demanded an apology regarding the cartoon crisis then everybody was defending “freedom of speech”. BUT “off course” this is not a case about “freedom of speech” but rather a case about being “anti-Semitic”
I wanted to use the link to Aftonbladet, but didn’t do it since you folks don’t understand Swedish.
I should have thought about translating the site.
Here is ur USA connection that media ignored.
New Jersey Mayors, Five Rabbis Arrested in Corruption Probe
ALLAH marhooma ki maghfirat karey man wat a novel that was Aag ka darya. Urdu adab can never have somoene like her. RIP Quratul ain haider and thanks for all the wonderful words.
Butt Brothers in full swing to find excuses for not supporting a trial of Musharraf?
“But the PML-N leader and party’s spokesman Pervez Rashid is confident that Brigadier Imtiaz is playing someone’s dirty game. Rashid said that Brig Imtiaz’s interviews and MQM Altaf Hussain’s statements are part of the strategy to malign Nawaz Sharif and prevent him from pursuing Musharraf’s trial.
He said that there are many elements who fear that if Musharraf is tried for his unconstitutional actions, then they too would face the music for their part in the misdoings. So they have launched this anti-Nawaz campaign. He, however, expressed the resolve of his party to continue pressing for upholding the rule of law for which Musharraf’s trial is necesary.”
Do we believe them (PML-N)?
Link to full article:
http://thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=24096
Completely agree about the Butt Brothers tactics. At best it’s only an Alhambra stage show exercise
PML-N usual flip flop politics. Recently they wanted to be friends with MQM and now they want to “expose” them. It’s all about protecting Butt Brothers and nobody cares about protecting PAK law and PAK land.
PML-N urges Altaf to return home, face courts
“Pakistan Muslim League (PML-N) leader Siddiqul Farooq has warned the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) to stop character assassination of their Quaid Mian Nawaz Sharif or they will also disclose sensitive matters and secrets about them.”
http://thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=24097
Senator Edward Kennedy, 77, dies
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8221686.stm
there goes health reform in usa – oh well.
I can better understand Shimatoree’s (Crazy Horse on PKP) threats about leaving this site for “this and that” reason.
I don’t mind at all, and I am no position to object since I myself contribute on several sites. So, off course it’s his choice where to write and what to write, but why not say what the real issue is about
do share link lol is he now blaming site for making him leave? :p
No, I was referring to the threats on SD for bringing an article by Mira Hussain.
http://crazyhorse.pkpolitics.com/2009/08/11/an-interview-with-a-taliban-commander/
A message for the common man reg. the “administrator”.
Enlighted moderation Pakistan zindabad, now I have no objection of teaching them when they are in 1st year but 6th grade?
Karachi school expels students for protest on syllabus
KARACHI: Some of girls’ students have been expelled from a private school when their parents’ protests against objectionable curriculum taught in classes Sixth and Seventh.
According to Geo News, parents raised objection for teaching sex education and family planning to girls students of class Sixth and Seventh and lodged complaint to chief executive officer of the school Sabreena Dawood.
As a result of it, Sabreena Dawood expelled the students and asked them to go back. When students’ parents tried to enter into the school, security officials stopped them and also barred Geo News team from entering into the school.
and the plot thickens.
LOL. Even the puppet masters cant keep up the pretense!
U.S. chopper accidentally dumps Afghan ballots
Boxes being carried in ‘sling load’ beneath Chinook fall onto mountains.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32562708/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/
lol great Obama has just few hours ago had assured that USA has no desire to interfere in Afghan election lol
Best way to make Pakistani Flag
Funny USA dun see nuclear submarine by India as problem
U.S. Accuses Pakistan of Altering Missiles
Lockerbie bomber ‘set free for oil’
This ur govt at work, this is wat they think of u