Mehsud dead: When asset becomes liability
The Pakistani media and the Foreign minister, Shah Mehmood Qureshi, were not long to announce the death of the leader of the Taliban forces in Pakistan, Behtullah Mehsud. In contrast to the Pakistani media and government, the White House has been cautious enough to not have confirmed the claims of his death yet.
Despite the crimes he committed, he was at the end of the day a Pakistani citizen who was killed by an alien drone attack under a period of foreign domination.
The truth behind the death of Mehsud is a different topic all together.
What concerns us is why he was put to death by the hands of ‘foreigners’ to whom we have given no right to decide our policies for us. (Apparently)
However, his death is a major climax for the whole country and does raise several questions in the minds of the citizens.
The first and foremost question that arouses in our minds is why the local government has not wholly confirmed the death of Mehsud.
The human mind has been designed in a way that forces it to think and probe about possibilities and therefore when one thinks of a question, he thinks about the answers to it as well.
The fact that’ the Pakistani government is not confirming his death can mean two things. Firstly, that the local government is only just a stage show being acted out by professional actors who are prompted and paid to do what they do.
Secondly, the Pakistani intelligence agencies are not credible, competent or independent enough to confirm the reports.
Surprisingly the USA government did not substantiate Mehsud’s death either, which begs the question that on what information did they launch the attack? The US authorities must verify this news because they are the ones who know how credible their information sources are and obviously they did not attack to just kill his wife. If the US is unable to confirm or refute Mehsud’s killing, then they must redefine their intelligence network that is barely credible and responsible for killing of hundreds of innocents inside Pakistan’s tribal areas. The ruthless US drones kill people without discrimination. After all the victims are Pakistanis and Muslims at that.
The key vital question that is stirring up is why was Mehsud killed by a USA drone? Did he become a liability instead of asset? There have been credible news reports in the past as well as actions and words of Mehsud himself that suggested that he was anything but a patriot, he was a traitor who was fighting against Pakistan’s interest in the name of Islam. Mehsud indeed was a terrorist, but question is whose terrorist? Who were his handlers? Mehsud’s own close aides have claimed that he was driven by RAW and CIA, notorious intelligence agencies of India and the USA.
Haji Turkistan Betani, a former close aide of Baitullah Mahsud, has claimed that assassination of Benazir Bhutto was plotted by Baitullah Mehsud.
This comes after Qari Zainuddin, a rival commander of Tehrik-e-Taliban Chief Baitullah Mehsud, on Wednesday disclosed that the TTP has links with India and Israel.
On the other hand, a Taliban commander from Orakzai Hafiz Saeed rejected the claims of Qari Zainuddin. He told Geo News that Zain was playing into the hands of the government to defame the TTP. He said the Qari is neither the successor of Baitullah nor has any affiliation with the TTP.
According to another report, the ISI and Pakistan government had been seeking America’s assistance to kill Mehsud for years and even provided them with credible intelligence about Mehsud’s hideouts but in vain. What does this suggest? We leave this question to our readers to answer. It is though evident that the USA until recently avoided targeting Mehsud. The question remains why now? Is it because the UN commission is looking into Benazir’s assassination and its possible aspects or is it because they did not want Pakistan Military to capture them to reveal things that were not meant to be told?
Either way you look, it appears that Mehsud’s death comes at a time when he could cause them trouble if captured alive. For Pakistanis one more enemy of the state has been eliminated and that is something to rejoice. TTP is clearly baffled and divided as they have failed to nominate Mehsud’s successor. Couple with open disagreement between TTP and the Taliban leadership one can only hope that the the traitors and agents working for foreign interests are eliminated, the sooner the better.
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it is a mess and the above article proves that there is a lot guessing on many issues related to the war. How do we get out of this mess with regard to the current scenario?
- Tell the Yankees that from now on the Pakistani national interests will be supreme!
- Stop the supply lines to the foreign invaders.
- Send back all surplus military/agnecy/civil persons related to the US embassy. The longer they stay the more mess they will create.
- Lay down own strategy to move forward in the troubled areas.
I know I am day dreaming…who will tell the Americans? The Zardari clan, the Butt clan or our generals?
CNN already started see drone attacks good, why pakistani against it let the games begins
and there we go
Baitullah Mehsud is alive, claims Hakeemullah Mehsud
In an organisation such as the Taliban movement- contrary to the wishes of the outsiders- the DEATH of one person means nothing other than to inflame emotions further. This attitude is based on the fundamental fact of knowing that the outsiders do not know nor do they comprehend the reasons as to why there is the Taliban.
For example-
1. To say that Mehsud is a creation of the Indians and the Americans and Israelis etc is to try to belittle him and the Talibs. Oh is only he did not have the support he would not be much .
On the other hand if you accept that this a reaction to the invasion by the outsiders- then you have to think about doing something about that cause-( which you can’t).
2. If we accept that Baitullah Mehsud is a foreign agent of India etc- then if we apply the same yardstick-
so is Shah Mehmood Qureshi , Zardari, NS, Kiyani etc. They are fighting a war against their own people at the instigation of the West and they are doing it for big money too.
The hurry with which everyone has spoken about his death is amazing to say the least. My reading is that Zardari has sold more of the country and get ready for some form of an American invasion with the collusion of the current set up of PPP and PML-N.
3. If he is not dead- well then get ready for more problems.
4. AND it is true that going and STAYING overnight at your in-law’s house is considered very bad amongst not only the Pushtoons but also most of the Punjabis esp of the Seraiki and Mianwali areas.
@shimatoree
so be it, I backed Mullah Sufi mohd sharai agenda and was against swat operation, If TTP insist on the way of gun then we not running away, If this inflame the tribes so be it, either they stop doing their crap in Pakistan or they will be destroyed.
As it is my objection is that why drones was used, it should be us doing the killing. Cuz USA will use this to boast support for drone attack and simultaneously make it look like Pak forces are incomppetent.
Afzaalkhan
I do not know where the word KHAN comes from in your name but if I am to assume that your ancestors came from the Pushto speaking areas ad that is the reason for KHAN- Then you ought to know-
that THEY will not and cannot be destroyed . You along with Alexander, Darius, Russians, etc etc have had the same dream and history has taught the lesson that Pushtoons cannot and will not be destroyed . THEY will STOP ” doing their CRAP” when you stop being the agents for AMERICA and the WEST.
Oh the comment- “it should be us doing the killing”
I don’t think you want to be doing that until and unless you want to have a vendetta going for the next 300 years.
Thank the Americans- they are taking the blame for your dirty work which you say you want to do.
A lot of confusion on the issue including denial of Mehsud’s death and clash among TTP groups etc. I am sure the situation will take a few days to clear up.
Munawar Hussain JI chief issues a statement condemning drone attacks.
waiting for liberal american tattos and our govts retards starting to blast JI for supporting taliban. JI and IK has a serious problem they dun understand they are addressing jahil leaders and qaum. lol
@shimatoree
plz lets not start with pushtoon and other ethnic groups. I never said nething abt pushtoons. I talked abt TTP and Mehsud and like it or not watever was thier original agenda they were not doing any thing good for pakistan. So if he is dead good riddance.
Let the gamessssssssssssss begin – ROFL
Afzaal
waiting;)
The Christian Science Monitor points out that the death of Mehsud followed internal strife within the Pakistani Taliban itself, making me wonder whether some insiders angry at Mehsud tipped off ISI about the leader’s whereabouts:
Killing of Pakistan Taliban chief could touch off power struggle
qts is what zardari and co has agreed to pay usa to get mehsud killeed, I mean they r the most benificiary as even though a terrorist mehsud had personal problem with them, so wat zardari and co has promise to do for usa that they targetted mehsud.
Wonder if nota can shed some light
Man abdul qaidir hassan nailed, mullah diesel calleed mehsud shahed time to sent mullah diesel to earn some shahadah .
I predicted Mehsud’d death sometime ago. Reason! he had been disowned by Taliban after he continued to pursue his own agenda. His position was leaked to ISI by those very close to him. The Taliban want to concentrate on the Afghanistan front where they continue to make good progress. They were very concerned about the erosion of public sympathy in Pakistan caused by the actions of Mehsud. Their other concern was the relationship Mehsud had forged with RAW / Mossad and CIA.
The fire fight at the so called meeting of a faction of “TTP” also demonstrates that this was an outcast break away group of Taliban which does not enjoy the support of Mullah Umar otherwise the local Amir has to be appointed by Mullah Umar.
I am sure there will be some realignment going on in the next few days and that will determine whether RAW / Mossad manage to hold together this faction or will it splinter.
Is Baitullah really dead?
Hamid Mir
US drone attacks are not popular in Pakistan but it is the first time that a big number of Pakistanis are happy over a news report that the head of Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan, Baitullah Mehsud, was killed in a drone attack on Aug 5 in South Waziristan. Baitullah Mehsud was the most wanted and the most ruthless man in Pakistan who was responsible for dozens of suicide attacks across the country. Government of Pakistan has not officially confirmed his death yet. (The Taliban have denied his killing.)
News of his death first came through American media sources on Aug 7. Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi also confirmed his death by quoting intelligence sources but Interior Minister Rehman Malik is careful. A senator from South Wazirastan told him in the morning of Aug 8 that Baitullah is not dead and that was why Rehman Malik never confirmed the death of the most wanted man to media. Many Pakistanis think that if Baitullah is dead just few days before the 62nd independence day of Pakistan then it is a great gift from a US drone but common Pakistanis are also raising some questions.
Pakistani security establishment started saying last year that Baitullah was actually working for Americans and Indians and that was why US drones never attacked him. The reason behind this conspiracy theory was the rising suicide attacks against Pakistani security forces. ISI requested CIA many times in 2007 to target Baitullah Mehsud but CIA never obliged ISI. CIA was under the impression that ISI is not helping it in hunting down the militant leaders like Maulvi Nazir, Hafiz Gul Bahadar and Sirajuddin Haqqani who are attacking US troops in Afghanistan. Pakistani government made peace agreements with these militants who were only fighting in Afghanistan while Baitullah was fighting against Pakistani security forces. Situation started changing after the removal of Musharraf from the top Army command.
Well coordinated joint efforts to defeat Taliban and Al Qaeda were started just few months back. US announced 5 million dollars and Pakistan announced 50 million rupees as a head money for Baitullah. Some problems were still there. Few weeks ago a rebel militant from South Wazirastan Qari Zainuddin Mehsud gave interviews to Pakistani media and claimed that Baitullah was working for Americans and Indians. This rebel militant was backed by the security establishment and his claim created lot of misunderstandings. Within few days of these interviews, Baitullah killed Qari Zinuddin on June 23, 2009, in Dera Ismail Khan and gave a message that he can target his enemies anytime and anywhere in Pakistan.
Just few weeks after the death of Qari Zainuddin, Pakistani intelligence sources are now claiming that Baitullah have been killed in a US drone attack. Question is that will the Pakistani government pay Rs50 Million to CIA for eliminating the most wanted man in the country? US drones cannot target anyone in Pakistani territory until someone from Pakistan is not ready to share intelligence with CIA. Now who will get 5 million US dollars from CIA in Pakistan? Will our president and prime minister say openly “Thank You America?” or they will again condemn the US drone attack in Pakistan? It is now proved that despite some trust deficit in the past, currently US and Pakistani intelligence agencies are working closely with each other. Pakistani security forces encircled Baitullah Mehsud from three sides in South Wazirastan and someone provided information of his movement to CIA and that was how the head of Pakistani Taliban was targeted by a US drone. There is no doubt now. US drones are attacking targets in Pakistan with the secret cooperation from some Pakistanis but our government always condemned these drone attacks. Pakistan today needs a transparent and bold policy for fighting terrorism. If we are coordinating US drone attacks in our own country then our government should not condemn drone attacks in Pakistan publicly. It is only creating misunderstandings. Common Pakistanis cannot be fooled. It is the Pakistani government which is losing credibility. A government without credibility cannot defeat terrorism. If Baitullah is really dead and our government is happy then US drone attacks in Pakistan will be legitimised and we will not be in a position to condemn these attacks in the future. May be that is the reason Interior Minister Rehman Malik told me that “even if Baitullah Mehsud is killed i condemn US drone attacks in Pakistan.”
We must learn lessons from our past mistakes. We must admit that Baitullah Mehsud was actually created by our own establishment. We used Brig (R) Qayyum Sher in January 2005 to win the support of Baitullah Mehsud against Abdullah Mehsud. Lt Gen Safdar Hussain approved the first peace agreement with Baitullah Mehsud in February 2005 and Pakistan Army agreed to withdraw its troops from the areas under Baitullah control. After the withdrawal of the Army from his areas, Baitullah broke the peace agreement in July 2005. He kidnapped 243 Pakistani soldiers from his area in August 2007 and Musharraf was forced to release these soldiers again through another secret deal with Baitullah on Nov 4, 2007. Pakistani establishment again struck a deal with him in January 2008 but it was broken in a few weeks. All these deals were secret. We don’t need secret deals with militants anymore. If we need peace deals then discuss these deals first in the parliament.
And the most important lesson. We should not form any private militias against other private militias to fight in our own country. Read Article 256 of the Constitution of Pakistan which says “no private organisation capable of functioning as a military organization shall be formed, and any such organisation shall be illegal.” Unfortunately we are again forming private militias in Swat, Buner and Dir. These militias may produce some more Baitullah Mehsuds.
I still believe that we must not celebrate the reported death of Baitullah Mehsud. His network is still intact. If he is dead then his network will organise brutal attacks in our cities soon. His physical elimination is not a victory. I think that the real victory will be establishing the writ of Pakistani state in the whole of South Wazirastan. Unfortunately we don’t have control in that area. We are not sure that Baitullah is dead or alive. For me he is still alive. I will consider him dead when the national flag of Pakistan will be hoisted on the buildings of all the schools in South Wazirastan and students will celebrate Aug 14 without any fear.
@nota
I tot my next sentence will actually clear it up. If someone needs to be punished inside Pakistan that should be done by state of Pakistan, irragardless of his/her crimes we can’t allow foriegners to come and kill people who are pakistani citizen inside paksitan. I highly doubt Mehsud wouild have surrendereed any attempt would have result in fire fight.If state has decided they can’t apprehend him and only way was to kill him extrajudicially then its should still be done by state of Pakistan, so if there is dispute we can always go to court or atleast state is bound to answer to its citizen why it was neccessary. Hope this clear up.
This drone attack that killed Mehsud will bump the 10% support that Pakistani have for drone attacks to atleast few points. This give incredible tool to Americans to argue see drone attacks works, we took out someone whom u couldn’t, also raising at same time the failure of security and intelligence agenciees of Pakistan. Just to name some benefits. Ultimately we ends with lot of negatives.
@nota
I really dun understand wat ur objection is? When did i say usa is a freind? But am I sad Mehsud is dead u can safely bet I am not, that said I object to the drone attack and like i stated though mehsud dead is good news the negatives are too much, what will be price usa exact for this favor, somehow I have a feeling we will be paying a bigger price. I hope I have made myslef clear,
U know man I udnerstand there is loadshedding in Pak and situation is not very peaceful and I understand the fruusturation level, a britherly advise, takee a deep breath before replying.
Afzaal
Rehman Malik and the Zardari administration are a bunch of thieves and liars and have no credibility. YOU agree with that statement I am sure.
As yet when they say anything about the TTP or Mehsud or any such characters- THEY are the State of Pakistan and they should be believed.
Let me get this straight. You accept the statements and characterizations of confirmed criminals, crooks and Liars when made against violent terror promoters etc ! Am I misunderstanding something here.
To me- what Zardari , Rehman Malik say means nothing and it has never meant nothing. I try find my facts somewhere else if I can.
@shimatoree
what statement from zardari and co I have accepted? If ur referring to Mehsud being a taritor I only go by his words and deeds. I dun care how noble hiss cause was wat he did and said was more then enuff 4 me..
@nota
Mehsud wasn’;t nobody, like it or not he was the leader of so called TTP. His death is news worthy event. I think u didnt read the artcile by admin. I agree with the points raised there. Anyway one less irritant to take care of. As for ur sarcastic remark about YOUR War on terror, I think u really loosing it, I am staunch opponent of this so called war of terror. U can read my comments Click Here
It appears u have gotten same virus, anyone who dun agreee with everything u say 110% must be ridiculed and bashed, a disease I tot only baboons were affliateed with, but it seems its conatguious. How abt lets debate the isssue, I am still scratching my head trying to understadn what u saying. So lets put it thsi way,.
Mehsud death is good or bad news?
How does it efffect pakistan?
I have updated my comments might wana review urs and ediut it
@nota
I agree 100% with u on Mehsud killed by drone attack is bad and the negatives for pak r tioo much,
That said strictly talking abt Mehssud being dead or alive, I would rather see him dead.
@nota
There is a huge difference btween naik mohammad shaheed and Mehsud.
Also plz beware ur contradicting our holiest angelic Mr. Pak khapey he has assured us india is not thread. Tooba Tooba kufr
lol
Way u guys think of This?
After Mehsud – The rest of the Pakistani Taliban won’t be such easy targets.
@Afzaal-
You have accepted the statements of Rehman Malik about Baitullah Mehsud’ proposed death.
You have supported the so called war on terror.
That is enough for me. To me these crooks have no credibility what so ever. I do not read except in this blog what they say. I do not hear what they say.
Now you might say that the present Govt. has been elected by the people of Pakistan on 18th of Feb 2008 in a general election.
And YOU believe that !.
And therefore they are legitimate.
You take a group of people who would not have been able to stand for election anywhere because of their crimes against the country.
Then American Govt buys the murderer Musharraf-( their agent) with the promise of saving his dictatorship – and his rubber stamp parliament passes an ordinance washing them clean of all their crimes including murder.
Wallah ! Now they are clean. So these people run for election and are able to fool the people of Pakistan into putting them incharge.
And you think that is representative Govt.
It is as though all the people of Pakistan were thieves and crooks and murderers and THEY elected crooks and thieves as their leaders !
Well , they might be YOUR leaders but we have different point of view about your fair elections of Feb 18th 2008.
@ nota – need direct contact.
shimatoree@yahoo.com
@shimatoree
Ur accusing me of things I have not said. Plz read my above comments and show me where I have
1 – Supported War On terror? Like I said to nota U can read my comments here to know my stand on war on terror.
2 – Regarding Mehsud death, all I have accepted is news reports, which incidently Hamid Mir very clearly pointed out yesterday in his column in jang, there is no independent media confirmation. As I said above to nota, I would rather see Mehsud dead or atleast tried for his crimes. This in no way make me believe wat govt is saying, I dun trust any govt saying anything without having something that either proves it or atleast show some common sense.
Having a cat fight boys!!! LOL
Rehman Malik Qadiyani (alleged) and Moron in Chief beating their chest about their achievement.
Did any one hear Rehman Malik Kochwan beggibg for drones from the Americans? He sounded like a typical police wala talking to his superior officer. Now I understand what our “mutafiqa” Prime minister had in mind when he wanted RM to oversee all intelligence agencies.
God how long will we have to endure these morons? I am a bit bored with them!!!
I think it is time to take the gloves off for our “Mutafiqa” Prime minister the two timing SOB who cant walk straight without guidance. Sometimes I wonder how did we manage to gather such a unique collection of “Leaders”. The B@@@@dy morons could not be trusted to run a corner shop talk less of running the 7th Nuclear power of the world with fifth largest army.
To anyone who is listening-
We have an illigitimate and illegal usurper group of thieves and crooks which is occupying our country . And they have rented the army to the Americans to control their people.
If I told you that the Martians had come to Pakistan and caused some politicians to mutate and become their mutant human beings- YOU would say that it was science fiction.
But that is exactly what has occurred in Pakistan- the only difference is that instead of the Martians the Americans are here having created their mutant “pseudo-American agents” to rule and control Pakistan.
Q- The present Govt. has been elected by the people of Pakistan on 18th of Feb 2008 in a general election.
And YOU believe all of that I am sure !.
You take a group of people who would not have been able to stand for election anywhere because of their crimes against their own country.
Then American Govt buys the murderer Musharraf-( their agent) with the promise of saving his dictatorship – and his rubber stamp parliament / cabinet agree to pass an ordinance washing them clean of all their crimes including murder.
Wallah ! Now they are clean. So these people run for election and are able to fool the people of Pakistan into putting them incharge.
And you think that is representative Govt.
It is as though all the people of Pakistan were thieves and crooks and murderers and THEY elected crooks and thieves as their leaders !
Well , they might be YOUR leaders but we have different point of view about your fair elections of Feb 18th 2008.
Taukeer
Baitullah Mehsud might be this or that but he has not been tried in aa court of law and convicted of the crimes he is accused of. Therefore he is innocent till proven guilty.
Now who is saying he is guilty of this or that. Guess who. The present lot of Rehman Malik, Zardari, Shah Mehmood Qureshi and so on.
Well since all these guys cannot be believed as they are confirmed liars- so my question is how can someone come to the conclusion that Baitullah Mehsud is re incarnation of EVIL. I am not a Mehsud nor do I know anything about the guy but the above logic is simple and to the point.
It seems to be that there are people who claim to be against Zardari and his gang but they believe and re- vomit what those very same guys say. As regards the news media- they are singing the same tune as the Zardari gang since it is they who are supplying them with the news.
The discussion on all the TV talk shows were about the death of Baitullah Mehsud.
A person-( Afzaal) said that he was happy that Baitullah was dead. Why ? Some personal vendetta ! But I thought the originator of the Punjabi named Sohni Dhurti was not a JUNGLI Pathan who suffer from the revenge disease .
As unpalatable as it might be- innocent till proven guilty. Due process of law is for everyone including Baitullah Mehsud.
And that means that NO ONE has the right to kill him.
If anyone disagrees- then they support what the Americans have done in Guantanamo Bay and what Zardari and his gang support. And the case is proven beyond any reasonable doubt for thinking reasonable people.
@shimatoree
U continue with ur bizzare ranting without even asnwering my qts, putting words in my mouth and twisting wat I said to outright lies. But this ethnic mixing is a real low. You dun even know whats my ethnic background and u assume about site name. Soo there is no purpose in discussing with you anything. All I have to say is
Javab Jahilaan Bashad Khamoshi.
Afzaal
You may label me as a Jahil but I shall not reply to that.
I would suggest a bit of cool headed reflection before making hasty statements.
If the signal you are sending is STOP- I can very easily do that.
But I will comment on the issue of ethnicity.
It was not me who chose the name SOHNIDHURTI.
and I can assure you no ethnicity was involved in the choosing of name, it was from the song
sohnidhurti ALLAH rakhey and was the 10th choice as 1st nine were already taken. That said even if I accept ur claim that its derived from punjabi so what? Wat this has to do with discussion we are having?
What the hell is going on here? How does ‘Sohni dhurti” represent Punjab or punjabi? and why did we even start this ethinicity topic here? Are we not all untied for Pakistan? Don’t we want Pakistan to prosper and we be called only and only PAKISTANIS? I can’t believe it is happening here…@Taukeer@observer@nota where are you guys? this is not what we wanted from this forum, we are not promoting racial bias we are promoting nationalism as pakistanis. This is disgusting.
A very good article.
Afzaal
Yes I am a bit sensitive about the Pushtoons- my people. You may name the web site what you want but you also must accept that the word sohni and dhurti is Punjabi and Hindi.
Why do I have a problem with this name ?
You might ask then like Shakespeare ” What is in a name !
The name should represent something to all- not just to some. I did not know the meaning of this name. Yes – it probably seems insignificant to many but to-day a lot of the problems the country faces are those of perception.
As a Pushtoon- to me sohnidhurti at first glance means something from East Punjab where the Sikhs live.
My point is and has been that Baitullah Mehsud is innocent untill proven guilty in a court of law.
No and I mean no one has the right to kill him.
No one should be happy or gloat on his death or should approve of it.
@ Paknukes-
If this is a blog for discussion and rebuttal – then all topics are KOSHER. Make your point- do not ask NOTA, TAUKEER or Observer to intervene. Afzaal is fully capable to handle whatever I may have to dish out.
The name of a website is important otherwise people would not be paying lots of money for the names that they want . So what is the problem ?
@shiamotoree
I am urdu speaking whose parents and uncles aunts migrated from Delhi, India and am sorry for me sohnidhurti represents Pakistan with all its ethnicities and languages. But I am not Pakistani 1st am Muslim so for me there are no boundries and ethnicities or nation are nothing, one can be sindhi, baluchi pathan etc for themselves for me there is only one nation i.e Muslim. When I opened this site its for all pakistanis with all color and political stripes. As I have made it clear in Site statement which you can read on the page title “ABOUT”.
That said the only consideration we took when we opened the site was a name that would be Pakistani and reflect pakistani view hence after checking different names we came up with sohnidhurti whcih was available for registration. The national language of Pakistan is Urdu and the site name reflect that.
As of Mehsud death, baba fareed I think said,
Dushman mareen te khushi na kareen — kal sajna vi mar jana eh
But one should remember Sayadana Eisa PBUH command
“one who live by sword shall die by sword”.
Mehsud choose this way and he met the death accordingly, as the original article mentoned and the one I posted by Irfan Siddique I denounce drone attacks and Mehsud dun matter wat his crimes shouldn’t have been killed this way. That said once again I am not sad he is dead, it has nothing to do with Muhsud being pushtoon I would glad to see Altaf Hussain dead and MQM wiped out, ethnicity has no bearing for me.
Afzaal
Thank you .
I do appreciate and understand what you wrote and would agree with 100 % with what you said about being a Muslim first and anything else second . It would be a good idea for everyone to introduce themselves just like you have done
My comments on Sohnidhurti are based on lack of knowing and/ or understanding the language. I speak Pushto, English, some Farsi and Urdu but Punjabi is like French to me. Just do not understand it in spite of trying.
I will drop the topic of Baitullah Mehsud’ death at this time but I would like to reserve the right to resurrect it later if I feel like it based on what is said.
@shimatoree
Why I wanted Taukeer,nota and Observer to intervene? Because I know they all care for Pakistan not punjai or pakhtoon or sindhi or mohajir or balouchi therefore I thought they might be able to put some sense into your head which is sounding so much like Altaf Hussain.
@Nota
No I did not call him “altaf Hussain’ I said Shimatoree is sounding like him by talking things like Punjabi/Pathan, MQM type usual racial stuff…Have no idea abt the baboon allegation so I protest, protest, protest.
Bhook hartal..Hunger strike.:):):)
And it starts in USA,
The Guns of August and Afghanistan
@ Afzaal, Pak.nukes and Shimatoree
“….I am not Pakistani 1st am Muslim so for me there are no boundries and ethnicities or nation are nothing, one can be sindhi, baluchi pathan etc for themselves for me there is only one nation i.e Muslim.”
Well said Afzaal, I second you about the above statement!
I am myself a Punjabi, but like Afzaal I do not consider myself as Punjabi, Pakistani etc. first. Foremost I am a Muslim!
Sohnidhurti: I haven’t considered the angle Shimatoree has mentioned. I don’t believe that it was Afzaal intention to promote a particular ethnicity.
Btw: It is no secret that I do not like the site name for different reasons.
- It does NOT reflect the type of discussion we normally have on this site i.e. politics. I would prefer to change the name.
- The spelling is not correct
@observer
Muslims? I am sorry I won’t call myself a Muslim first because if I do people ask me ‘are you shia? sunni and if Sunni, are you deobandi/barelvi/shaafi etc etc…so shia/sunni/punjabi/sindhi is all crap. My religion is my personal matter and my identity is my country not my race.
@Maoyoos…
It’s your choice. I agree that most people would ask whether you are a Sunni, shia etc. Personally I do not believe in that, and I do not let people decide what I shall answer unless they can provide a logical purpose. In this case I feel that the best answer is to stop after telling that I am Muslim. All the stuff after that has only helped to divide us further.
If you choose to identify yourself as a Pakistani first, then it’s OK for me. You are responsible for your acts and no one should force you to change your belief.
Btw: Being a Muslim has nothing to do with belonging to a certain race. On contrary Muslims are maybe most the most diversified people on the earth.
Being a Muslim has definitely got nothing to do with ethnic racism. This is exactly my point but put in a different way and perhaps different context.
Non-Muslims living in Pakistan should be less patriotic than the Muslims of Pakistan, we should respect the Pakistani Hindus when they support the Indian cricket team playing against Pakistan. Right? After all they are Hindus first and then Pakistanis.:)
ur confusing mazhab (religion) with deen (islam)
2 different things u can be mazhaban sunni, shia, hanafi etc, but as deen u r only muslims. And if u are muslim then there is only one nation i.e islmaic ummah
apni millat par qayas aqwam-e-maghrib se na kar
khas hai tarkeeb main qaum-e-rasool-e-hashmi (SAW)
@pak.nukes
“we should respect the Pakistani Hindus when they support the Indian cricket team playing against Pakistan. Right?”
Personally I wouldn’t mind that as long as they do not harm Pakistani interests. I also know that living as a minority in another country also causes some restraints according to the tolerance level. I am myself in a place where I constrain myself, and I mostly I understand why it should be like that.
“After all they are Hindus first and then Pakistanis.:)”
I don’t know how Hindus define their priority ethnicity/religion.
I know that Muslims (at large) has provided the best possibilities to practice other religions. Remember Jews and other European minorities found refuge in f.ex. Muslim Spain, Marocco, Turkey etc.
Muslims has a long history of tolerance. Unfortunately there are some violent/stupid outbursts in between which CANNOT be related to Islam!
@Afzaal
Please thank you for your views but I do not allow anyone to interfere in what I think about my religion or deen whatever you want to call it because I for me I am answerable to Allah only. But I can certainly condemn those who are harming the country. If I am not a good Muslim, it doesn’t harm my coutry but if I don’t care for my country it would definitely harm my country in some way.
@Observer
Yes you are right but I don’t have to be Aamir Khan’ or Shahrukh Khan’s fan by default only because they are Muslims. For me Imran Khan is a priority because he is son of the soil but then we also have traitors like Musharaf and Altaf Hussain, I don’t respect them just becz they are Muslims and I hate them becz they are ghaddars of the soil.
@pak.nukes
Am sorry u can ignore my comments but like iqbal said
mujhey hai hukm-e-azaan
Its my duty as a muslim to point out where ppl r wrong, after that my duty is finished. To follow or not is then the person choice. But I have to do wat is my duty.
I don’t have a problem with the name even though I had suggested another name. And in fairness to Afzal http://www.sohnidhurti.com was what was available.
I must very strongly object to ethnic origin discussion. I wonder what ethnic origin I will be assigned?
@shimatoree I will like to learn Pushtoo as a beautiful language of people of my country of origin. So the ball is squarely in your court! And I must admit I love Pushtoo music the most of all the music of Pakistan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL2mow94waM
and This is Unrivaled. Time to understand the strategy of the enemy.
Just so that we understand the designs of the enemy here is the detail of the template they want to replicate all over the Muslim World. For the sake of record I have reproduced the entire article.
Just an update on this story:
“So in my opinion,” General Gul continued, “there was some kind of a deal which was about to be arrived at — they may have already cut a deal. I don’t know. I don’t have enough information on that. But this is my hunch, that Baitullah was killed because now he was trying to reach an agreement with the Pakistan army. And that’s why there were no suicide attacks inside Pakistan for the past six or seven months.”
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23375.htm
@taukeer
come on mate Since Gen sahib dun know how abt this scenario? he has just kidnapped cadets b4 he got killed. He wasn’t abt to strike a deal, wat he was to do was blackmail military. OR
He was killed by Americans cuz Pak military was close to get him themselves and fear was if he get caught alive the information he can spill