And the winner is MQM
Brigadier Imtiaz recently made some confessions. He has been on the talk shows circuits and every program comes with some new revelations. To summarize:
1 – The so called maps of Jinnahpur i.e. the sedition charge against MQM was a lie and was cooked up by Military.
2 – PM Nawaz Sharif wasn’t made aware of operation and PM was unable to stop it.
3 – The amount of arms recovered and the torture cell shown were exaggerated. About 20% of what was shown was truth rest was lies.
4 – The goal of operation was to destabilize PML – N government.
In conclusion, what Brig. Imtiaz is saying that operation was wrong, the threat was exaggerated and the situation really didn’t warrant a military operation. MQM has launched a “we told you so” and has turned its guns on PML – N, specifically Nawaz Sharif. Altaf Husain did his drama and then called on ISI, General Kiyani and Supreme Court to investigate the matter.
Never mind, the blatant contradictions Brig. Imtiaz’s own statement and the outright rejection by his colleague and his juniors in service. After all even if we take everything on face value, the fact remained that MQM did have torture cells albeit in smaller number and they were becoming a state within state, the same logic that was used for operation against Lal Masjid. If Lal Masjid operation was right and which MQM backed then all operations against MQM were right too. That MQM believes in terror tactics to put down opposition or any perceive threat of opposition was made glaringly clear on May 12th, 2007.
But why this sudden torrent of information from the Brigadier sahib, what is the purpose of all this TV rounds and why MQM who wants SC to start Sumoto action won’t do a simple thing i.e. set up a truth and reconciliation panel as proposed by Haroon Rasheed. All these questions need answers, until unless one is Fauzia Wahab who thinks this is an attempt by agencies and Brig. Imtiaz specially to bring MQM and PML – N together to topple PPP government.
The consensus seems to be that this is to put PML – N on back foot and distract them from going after Gen. Musharraf but if that’s the case then by his own admission Brig. Imtiaz has absolved PML – N by saying PM wasn’t aware of operation. Even if it does get stick to PML –N. it won’t hurt PML – N as much, because outside urban Sind people despise MQM more then they will ever despise Nawaz Sharif. Politically speaking sure MQM can get some mileage but being part of Nawaz Government again in 1997 implies that they believed PML – N wasn’t the culprit. The later on being part of government of a Military dictator it is really hard to see what MQM is crying about. If it cares so much about the lost lives of its members, why then MQM shake hands with the very people it is now accusing of murdering innocent members.
No, what Brig. Imtiaz was able to do was to distract the nation from the ongoing debate about Musharraf’s trial, USA growing presence inside Pakistan and the unbelievable Government incompetence of which high inflation is the current fiasco.
Media has lapped on the story and all other issues have been sitting on backburner. The summons from Sind High Court for Altaf Hussain can now be disregarded by stating Altaf life is in danger as state is fully capable of lies and deceits and not above mass murder. Furthermore it once again helps MQM to portray it self as a victim and cement its sympathies in Urban Sind. If we are to go by past history it is very clear that MQM will soon stage a show of force in Karachi ala 12th, May 2007. They will do that to demand an inquiry in 1992 operation and will push that point on every avenue, thus ensuring that nothing gets done but their own agenda. This will adversely effect and prolong Sind High Court proceedings against MQM. A show of force and threat of making Karachi hostage will force PPP to side with them, it does help that MQM is willing not to raise the 1995 – 96 operation done by PPP government that really broke MQM’s back. PPP also benefit by political pressure on PML –N and it solidifies their position of “muafahimat ki policy”. Rehman Malik has already offered his services to broker peace between PML – N and MQM. Furthermore MQM has signaled by going after PML – N instead of Military that it might move extrajudicial case against PML – N on grounds that PM was the chief executive. All of this helps Gen. Musharraf who wasn’t happy with all the news of article 6, if he can help shut down PML – N so much better for him which explains why Brig. Imtiaz has so conveniently found his conscience and at a talk show whose host is an open MQM stooge.
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A timely and fitting response I wish we had some MQM love on this site lol
Haye Allah mein sadqay jaon Altaf bhai k…doodh mein dhul ker bhi suar ki shakal nahi badli…saala traitor..
What a language. Can’t you be sober in your comments.
I just love how they distorted everything, the operation was not started cuz of so called jinnahpur but everyone just talking abt jinnahpur was wrong. Whether it was or not the operation was started cuz MQM was on rampage with drill machines and band borre laashain.
When a dog like Brig Imtiaz aka ISI ka pilla is making these false claims, the only question that comes in ones mind, who is behind him?
You can believe what ever you want. It is your democratic right. However, please mind your language. We can express our views very strongly without using bad words.
I totally agree with you.
@azmat siddiqui
welcome mate i hope u contribute more, ISI and mqm ke jaley hoey bohut hain yahan;)
@azmat
Dog ko dog nahi tau kiya cat bolain gey? I mean please give me a break, no one has used any abusive language here.
I live in Canada. Here a lot of people hate the politicians and high government officials. But we never call them names.
I wish that my Pakistani fellows learn to respect each other. We can criticise Altaf Hussain, Zardai and the Sharifs of Lahore without calling names. Lets be civilized.
@Azmat
First, I am not civilized, second lets talk politics and not civility, third, people should learn not to be judgemental about others’ conduct. Etiquettes are taught at many other forums so lets talk politics here.
SO what do you think about the latest campaign of Altaf Hussain courtesy Brig. Billa? Now plz don’t be judgemental again, Brig.Imtiaz is known as Brig.Billa since ever.
@mayoos-paki,
After your declaration that you are not civilized, there is not much to say for me!
@Azmat
End of debate? Excellent now shall we move on?
This issue will benefit PML-N, MQM and PPP.
We don’t have the “evergreen” issue of kashmir to divert peoples attention away from real issues like, bijli, roti, rule of law etc. The master (US) doesn’t allow our politcians to use that issue nowadays since our forces are rented out to fight against other Pakistanis. So the political parties “had to” find something new to divert the attention. This is one of many issues. In the future you will see even more issues to keep the public at bay. More drama bazi, more lies, more deception. Keep them engaged on real issues. Don’t let them make a fool out of us. These rats ain’t that smart.
@observer
how does it benefits PML -N? Also I understand that USA is beneficiary in round about way but this time I think its all Mushy doing. A meeting in London 1st bteen Mushy and Altaf and now zardari kinda valdidate the article’s point.
It is benefitting all of the parties referred to because this issue divert people from real issues – also regarding PML-N. Remember they have had several issues lately. IMO this fight is only a drama. I bet they will be best friends when PML-N needs MQM in some kind of a coalition.
heyyyyy doc! Where have you been? Back in new place or still there?
@observer
I think u missing the big pictures, that ISI realease naming all political parties and how much they got under IJI is showing once again the split. The pro-establihsment parties have been under the “ataab” of establishment for a long time. Do remember PPP under BB dealt directly with Mushy, in the guise of PPP Patriots they supported mushy, specially when mushy did his re-election instead of resigning they abstained and thus provided the cover of legitimacy, also remember under MMA JI and JUI split on Mushy issue, JI has neither had any influence with Taliban as they allied with Gulbadeen and haqqani, when Taliban were in power JI couldn’t even enter Afghanistan. The alliance of PTI,JI,PML-N and nationalist was the clear sign that establishment now reside on other side. PML – N left but other parties are there and clearly not favorite of establishment and PML – N so called Mushy trial is not something establishment wants. The so called revolutionary parties are now the parties of establishment i.e PPP and ANP hence BB was murdered.
So any MQM guy wana shed light on this?
Talat Hussain article: http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/PoPupwindow.aspx?newsID=1100703305&Issue=NP_LHE&Date=20090829
I was surprised that how come HH’s name did not come in the culprits of the midnight jackal.LOL….
@to all
can we move on to duscussing the news or is it just too much
Shaheen Shebai claiming change is coming.
I think in this game there are five players. Like it or not Nawaz Sahrif is a gate crasher to this party of four.
I know this will get the guys going but he has the street power right now to determine the outcome of any forthcoming crisis. And yet again Allah has been generous to him. I must admit I have not completely given up on him. Maybe I am deluding myself like nearly 70% of the population but maybe just maybe he will rise to the occasion.
BTW there are wispers of US sponsering a major crisis in Pakistan in the fall this year as part of their destabalising agend.
@Taukeer
Are you deliberately trying to start a debate?
“he has the street power right now to determine the outcome of any forthcoming crisis.”
Numbers has nothing to do with being right or wrong. So no matter how much street power Butt team gets they will remain what they are…..opportunists!
“And yet again Allah has been generous to him.”
Completely agree with. They have had more than their share, but unfortunately they have lost each opportunity towards greatness.
“I must admit I have not completely given up on him”
You must be a very patient man. I suppose you know very well how the brothers have let down Pakistan on numerous issues. How many chances does this man/party deserve? Do you really believe they will deliver or do you expect them to make a u-turn like PPP did.
Btw: Does anyone know whether PML-N has achieved something extraordinary in Punjab since the “great administrator” took over?
Ulta choor kutwal ko dantey lol, Now am not a fan of zardari but coming from PML -N who has been leading the compaign against zardari and co and specially using thier pet dog GM site pkpol this is really rich I so fervently hope PPP let loose firdous ashiq bhain, sodia wahab and etc jiyalas on PML – N. Hey Ahsan Iqbal if u dun like the heat dun stand in the kitchen lol
@nota
after he failed to deliever PML – Q he has to show he still the nuri nutt of Punjab lol
I wonder wat MQM and thier allies would say now;)
Faerangi kya bolta hai?
If you can’t beat them then join them….that’s exactly what MQM does with any ruling party.
Boys Boys Boys! You are loosing sight of the great game being played here. I think on this occasion PML-N is being unduly maligned. The strategy is to confine PML-N to Punjab. This will give PPP and coalition a field day in the rest of the country.
If I was an American strategist that is what I will be trying to do.
Just a piece of advice for those who might heed, “Don’t be so blinded by your prejudice that you loose sight of facts”.
@taukeer
On this am with nota, PML – N has no one but themselves to blame. For crying out loud is nawaz doing so sala chilla in raiwand? Why he is not touring other provinces? At minimum since he was out of country for so long he can use the guise of organizing party and meet the “karkuns” and do tour of other provinces.
That is if they have already agreed on the division of pak and Nawaz just solidifying Punjab;)
@nota
then he is in for a rude awakening. lol btw wat u tot of shaheeen sehbai article i posted above. can’t give u link here dun know how to get that link of comment lol
Baat nikley gee to phir door talak jaey gee lolz
Awesome column: http://www.nawaiwaqt.com.pk/E-Paper/Lahore/2009-09-01/page-2/detail-25
@Afzal I agree with you on the touring the country issue. Only a few days ago I raised it with one of the PML-N “Stalwarts”. To my knowledge he is an honest person so I have to take him for his word. His reply was that whenever they plan a tour they are sent a warning about security situation and the officials never forget to mention BB’s incidence. He says that their dilemma is whether they should they use their trump card so early in the game.
Anyway I am sure most people on the forum will know that Nawaz Sahrif is not some holy cow for me that I wont criticize but on this ocassion what is at stake is not Nawaz Sharif but Pakistan. Pakistan is being undermined in a very deliberate manner.
The objective of the game is to keep NS pinned down.
@nota I agree with your observation of the “good fortune” factor. But I think there are too many unknowns as our dear friend Rumsfield would say!
@taukeer
Then ur freind dun know wat noon is planning. They just announced party wide elections and SS most probably for chairmanship. This govt came into power on 18th Feb. As a rule of thumb alll over the world minority govt dun complete 5 yrs max is 2 n 1/2. The way PPP going PML – N will be in severe disadvanatge if they dun triggger ellection by Feb next yr i,e 2 yrs max
@Afzal may be I was not clear enough. BTW I don’t think making SS chairman of the Party will serve PML-N’s interest or that of the country but then who is bothered. Maybe we r just wasting our time.
The Major Kaleem case and PML – N Mafahimat.
And the MQM keep winning, jang reporting following, Now we know why MQM ko doodh se dhulaya ja raha hai. And why NS going full blast, its easy to make this happen and MQM will be tougher opponent then any NS can handle. All comes down to complete control of USA so not a single party can challenge its rule and whoever comes in power can be checked easily and thats why democracy is bad
Yes my dear game tau ub shuru hui hai.
Ansar Abbasi compiles news reports from 1992, a fascinating read and too bad no one gonna call MQM on this lolz
http://thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=24299
The return of the Daylight Jackals
by Shaheen Sehbai
“On a subtle note presidential aides and cronies, and even some diplomats, started calling their friends and media supporters bad-mouthing the intelligence agencies and some top echelons of the Army establishment. The anti-Pindi whispering campaign was so vicious that even some foreign journalists in Islamabad were surprised at the madness of such a campaign which could ultimately end up in another Oct 12, 1999-like situation when the sitting Army chief was sacked.
The ultimate component of the counter-Minus-one plan was to launch the Daylight Jackals. This would serve several purposes. It would hit at the military establishment, the intelligence agencies and cut the politicians who were now claiming to be larger than life to their size. Resurrecting the Mehrangate scandal would be the ideal tactic. The main character of the 1989 scandal, Brigadier Imtiaz Ahmed would be the best person to stir this hornet’s nest.
In his mind Brig Imtiaz, who was close to Nawaz Sharif in the past, was feeling left out after the PML-N staged a comeback in the 2008 elections and formed its government in the Punjab. When everybody else from the past had been accommodated, why not him? That was enough for him to settle some scores. It was time to strike back. He agreed to join the planning and launching of the operation.”
Tit for tat?
You shut up and I will shut up too?
I am crook and so are you?
And
“Information Minister Kaira said the recent spate of statements by former intelligence chiefs would only harm national harmony. Kaira said the country already confronted many challenges, and maligning each other would only result in political anarchy.”
Sssshhhh. Don’t stir up events. Let “democracy” work. Go on sleeping.
Can someone shed some llight on who is Shaheen Sehbai?
Who does he work for?
I read sehbai column. I am wondering is this last “karnama” by PPP & Co would be the proverbial last straw that broke the camel’s back? Is the stage being set for Bangladesh model? Military and courts taking over then after cool down period a chosen govt with 2/3 majority being put in? With clear understanding this is it. Question then arise apart of PML – N no other party can then be able to have 2/3 majority which appears credible and unlike Khalida Zia I dun think Zardari and Co will take it laying down.
Altaf forgives Nawaz, Army officials for 1992 operation
Goodie 4 altaf kaliya now can altaf come back to Pakistan plz I am In a mood for “forgiveness” too.
and the fun continues lol