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Now how abt them apples lol
Rehman meets King Abdullah in Jeddah
and lookie lookie wat the cat drag in Conincidence
Musharraf arrives in Saudi Arab
@nota
Rome is burning and our collective leaders are playing the flute. This thing is getting way out of hand. But the collective leadership has its head in sand. Surprisingly JI and IK both are silent too, do they know something we dun know?
George F. Will, the darling of fiscally conservatives and to some extent the voice of conservatism (i.e sane conservatism compare to fox and Rush Limbaugh) calls for withdrawl of US troops from Afghanistan.
Time to Get Out of Afghanistan
Indian born Fashion designer got 59 years for luring girls to Los Angeles and sexually assault them.
Every day 1000s of girls willingly get laid just in LA and ready to pay the small price they think to get a chance to become a model or actress but no one get 59 years for so called assault on them.
Indian community has to show some balls if they have any to protest this 100% racial conviction by racist jury of LA.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090901/ap_en_ce/us_fashion_designer
NOTA IS A TRAITOR
http://pkpolitics.com/2009/09/02/an-open-letter-to-rauf-klasra/
humara forum kis liye hai
*cries bhoooon bhoooon bhooon * Sniff sniff*
Hamid Saeed Kazmi injured, driver killed in attack
ISLAMABAD: Federal Minister for Religious Affairs Hamid Saeed Kazmi was injured and his driver killed in firing near Melody Market in Islamabad.
According to reports the attackers fired at the car of Kazmi when he was going to the parliament.
I wonder if his clothes were tidy after all that commotion and his beard’s trim was picture perfect. Such inconsiderate “fundos” as Baboons would say!
Even I could remember his perfect beard trim!!!!
@Jazoo you seem to have an inside track on the audition process and the fairness of the dreamland!!! Is that the much talked about American Dream?
@nota “what was wrong with Taliban”?
Let us look at it closely:
1. Same paymaster.
2. Same purpose.
3. Same result.
And the winner is (drum rolllllll) The Paymaster!
Oh nearly forgot Baboons are happy! They could go skiing in about 50 years!
@Taukeer
Certain Taliban groups most probably fits in your description, but I don’t think you got the point @nota was making. Look at the way these “Talibans” were killed by the residents.
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Aug
2009
Sugar Shortage, Steel Mills Sale Corruption and Shaukat Aziz’s Role and Zardari’s Foriegn Assets Revisited
Written by UQAAB Research
History repeats itself: Zardari and the 2007 Sugar Shortage Scam: Is he up to his old tricks?
List of Sugar Mills Owned by Zardari
Mr Zardari also has huge stakes in sugar mills all over Pakistan ,which include: Sakrand Sugar Mills, Nawabshah, Ansari Sugar Mills, Hyderabad , Mirza Sugar Mills, Badin, Pangrio Sugar Mills, Thatta and Bachani Sugar Mills, Sanghar.
Pakistan Business Recorders Editorial in 2007
EDITORIAL (August 19 2007): In a report it presented before the Supreme Court recently, the National Accountability Bureau (NAB) lent credence to rumours that blamed the sugar crisis of 2004-06 on the who-is-who list of Pakistani politicians. It names PML president Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain, former prime minister Nawaz Sharif and his brother Shahbaz Sharif, Asif Ali Zardari, Federal Ministers Humayun Akhtar and Jehangir Tareen, Altaf Saleem, Nasarullah Dareshak, Anwer Cheema, and PML leader Mian Azhar, who between them are alleged to have hoarded as much as 316,690 metric tons of sugar, pushing its price up from Rs 21 to Rs 45 per kg.
Humayun Akhtar, the Sugar Baron, son of Gen. Akhtar Abdur Rahman, now a billionaire
According to the NAB report, Humayun Akhtar, his brother Haroon Akhtar and their cousin Shamim were the biggest hoarders with a consolidated stock of 99,464 metric tons of sugar at the Kamalia, Tandlianwala, Miran and Layyah mills. At the second position were the two Sharif brothers’ whose three mills stashed away 68,648 metric tons. Haroon Akhtar has strongly countered the report in a press release issued on Friday, saying.
“The reasons given for sugar price hike in 2004-06 and other facts in the report are totally fabricated and concocted”. He explained that the Tandlianwala Sugar Mill, of which he is the chief executive, is incorrectly grouped with Kamalia and Layyah to give the impression that his group had the largest sugar stock at a certain point in time.
That may be a valid explanation. He also gave a detailed account of how and when the stock positions are at their highest and lowest points, depending on the crop related seasonal factors.
It was only normal for the mills to have rapidly rising stocks in November-March period, and to store ‘excess sugar’ to be sold in the following months. In other words, the sugar crisis was not the outcome of any law breaking on the part of the mill owners.
But the press release went on to accuse the “sponsors” of the NAB report of “mala fide intent.” It completely trashed the report, saying that it was prepared without any research or analysis, and its frequent leakage to the media was politically motivated to defame certain people in the industry. It remains a mystery though why NAB would want to defame politicians most of whom belong to the ruling party.
In fact, NAB did not do itself any good when it quietly shelved its inquiry in March 2006 amid public accusations that most of those involved in the sugar crisis held important public positions, and hence got away with scandalous profiteering in such a sensitive food item as sugar.
Between them the industry representatives and NAB have been creating confusion with regard to the real reasons and the identity of those behind the sugar crisis. The two sides give entirely differing versions of what happened. It may be recalled that poor sugarcane crop was said to have led to sugar shortages and price hike.
The press release issued by TSML chief executive reiterated that a severe shortage of sugarcane in 2004-05 due to drought increased the sugarcane prices manifold. The NAB report agrees about the shortage, but says it was created artificially by the “mill owners’ front men” who bought the commodity in bulk, contributing to the price surge.
“This rampant malpractice,” avers the report, “has been an upfront justification by the mill owners to jack up the sugar prices.” It is a pretty serious allegation.
Also bewildering is the NAB explanation that its inquiry was creating an upheaval in the market and therefore it was discontinued to restore market stability. Those whose names appear on the hoarders’ list owe it to themselves to clear their names and the NAB inquiry must be brought to its logical culmination.
Looking for the lost money that belonged to the Pakistani people…
The money is gone: Pak people own the loans & Citibank knew where it was:
Saturday August 8, 2009
GEO TV: For the first time in YEARS, on Pakistan mainstream TV network, Dr. Shahid Masood in his “Mere Mutabiq” program reveals the facts that money from Pakistans treasury was taken by Asif Ali Zardari, the CURRENT President of Pakistan, and laundered through the Cayman Islands, finally winding up at Citibank Switzerland. Also named in the charges is former Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz (who now lives in London).
Dr. Shahid Masood reports, “As the Pakistani Army and people fight terrorists in the country, we have financial terrorists attacking in Pakistan, and present a much greater threat to the country.” (Translation).
Oil companies who have recently collected 7 billion rupees in carbon taxes (ordered by Zardari), have yet to pay a single rupee in taxes to the Pakistan treasury.
Nothing yet in print media; but here are two articles from Pakistani online news back in 2007.
Shaukat Aziz and Citibank’s Laundering of Asif Zardari’s Money
How Citibank Laundered Asif Zardari’s Money, provides a case history excerpted from a US Congress Subcommittee’s investigation of moneylaundering by private banking groups within US banks during the 1990s. The present post reproduces an interesting document, “List of meetings between Mr. Zardari and Citibank personnel, provided by Citibank,” being document “h” of a list of “Documents relating to Asif Ali Zardari” appended to the Report.
As part of its investigation, the subcommittee asked Citibank to provide a written record of meetings held between Citibank officials and four high profile Citibank account holders, including Mr. Asif Ali Zardari. Unlike the other cases, in which the names of relatively low level Citibank private banking group staff emerges in the records provided, the names of Citibank staff involved in the case of Benazir Bhutto and Asif Ali Zardari consists of men who have gone on to play a prominent role in Pakistan:
Shaukat Aziz, Until recently Prime Minister of Pakistan (close ties to CIA )
Shaukat Tarin, Chairman, Board of Directors, Karachi Stock Exchange
Sajjad Rizvi
Nadeem Hussain, CEO, Tameer Bank & President, Tameer Foundation
The statement provided by Citibank lists date, participants, location, and summary of contacts between Citibank staff and the Bhuttos. This statement is reproduced below, interspersed with important events in the more detailed Asif Zardari case summary [see here] provided in the House Sub-Committee Report, inserted chronologically:
Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations
Exhibit # 31h.
Meetings, Events, or Functions at which Benazir Bhutto, Asif Ali Zardari, or Both Were Present
Date: Late January/Early February 1994
Participants: William Rhodes, Shaukat Aziz, Benazir Bhutto, Asif Ali Zardari, and others
Location: Davos, Switzerland
Summary: William Rhodes and Shaukat Aziz attend Davos economic conference. During conference, they are guests at a dinner hosted by Benazir Bhutto and attended by approximately 150 others.
Date: February 1994
Participants: John Reed, Paul Collins, Shaukat Tarin, Benazir Bhutto, and Asif Ali Zardari
Location: Islamabad
Summary: Discussion of Pakistani and world affairs
NOTES on the Citibanksters:
William Rhodes: William R. “Bill” Rhodes Rhodes is the Senior Vice Chairman of Citigroup Inc. and the Chairman of Citigroup and Citibank. He is also Chairman of the Board of both the Americas Society and its affiliate, the Council of the Americas, which were originally founded by David Rockefeller in 1965, and is a board member of the Group of Thirty.
Rhodes was educated at Northfield Mount Hermon, a college preparatory school, and Brown University; he joined Citibank in 1957. As the Senior International Officer for Citigroup, Mr. Rhodes has specific responsibilities for client relationships in emerging markets worldwide, relationships with governments and other official institutions and appointments of Citibank’s senior country officers outside the U.S.
John Shepard Reed [/b] (born 1939) is the former Chairman of the New York Stock Exchange. He previously served as Chairman and CEO of Citicorp, Citibank, and post-merger, Citigroup.was asked to be interim CEO of the New York Stock Exchange after the Richard Grasso over-compensation scandal. He accepted the job for a $1 salary and set up new governance rules as the NYSE became a public corporation. Reed is on the board of directors at Altria Group.
Paul J. Collins became a director of the [Enstar Group Ltd.] on January 31, 2007 in connection with the completion of the Merger. Mr. Collins served as a director of The Enstar Group, Inc. from May 2004 through the Merger. Mr. Collins retired as a Vice Chairman and member of the Management Committee of Citigroup Inc. in September 2000. From 1985 to 2000, Mr. Collins served as a director of Citicorp and its principal subsidiary, Citibank; from 1988 to 1998, he also served as Vice Chairman of those entities. Mr. Collins currently serves as chairman of the University of Wisconsin Foundation and a trustee of the Glyndebourne Arts Trust. He is also a member of the Advisory Board of Welsh, Carson, Anderson & Stowe, a private equity firm. He was previously a director of Kimberly Clark Corporation, Nokia Corporation and BG Group and a member of the supervisory board of Actis Capital LLP.
Date: August 1994
Participants: Sajjad Rizvi, Paul Collins, Shaukat Tarin, Benazir Bhutto, and others
Location: Prime Minister’s Residence, Islamabad
Summary: General courtesy call, discussion of Citibank, macroeconomics and socio-political issues.
[Oct 1994 Mr. Zardari's relationship with Citibank begins, with an account opened for Capricorn Trading, S.A. a British Virgin Island company, reportedly "through the services of Kamran Amouzegar, a private banker at Citibank private bank in Switzerland, and Jens Schlegelmilch, a Swiss lawyer who was the Bhutto family's attorney in Europe and close personal friend for more than 20 years."]
[5-6 Oct 1994 ARY International Exchange, a Dubai company owned by Abdul Razzak Yakub, alleged to have been given a gold import monopoly by Benazir Bhutto, deposits $5 million into the Capricorn Trading account on 5 Oct 1994; and another $5 million on 6 October 1994.]
Date: December 1994
Participants: Shaukat Aziz, Benazir Bhutto, Asif Ali Zardari, Benazir Bhutto’s economics advisor, Pakistan ambassador to Washington and others
Location: Prime Minister’s Residence, Islamabad
Summary: Discussion of Pakistani economy during a dinner meeting
[25 Feb 1994 A 3rd deposit, this time of $8 million, is made to the Capricorn trading account. Citibank says it does not know the source of this deposit.]
[27 Feb 1995 "Mr. Schlegelmilch, working with Mr. Amouzegar, opened three accounts at the Citibank Switzerland private bank. The accounts were opened in the name of M.S. Capricorn Trading, which already had an account at Citibank's Dubai branch, aswell as Marvel and Bomer Finance, two other British Virgin Island PICs established by Mr. Schlegelmilch, according to Citibank. Each private bank account listed Mr. Schlegelmilch as the account contact and signatory. Citibank informed the Subcommittee that the Swiss Form A, a government-required beneficial owner identification form, identified Mr. Zardari as the beneficial owner of each PIC."
[6 March 1995 $8.1 million, routed through Citibank, NY, transferred from Dubai to Swiss account.]
Date: March 7-10, 1995
Participants: Shaukat Aziz, William Rhodes, Benazir Bhutto, Asif Ali Zardari and others
Location: Singapore
Summary: During a state visit to Singapore by Benazir Bhutto, William Rhodes and Shaukat Aziz meet with Benazir Bhutto and her advisors in Benazir Bhutto’s hotel suite to discuss the Pakistani economy. At several official events during this state visit, Shaukat Aziz exchanges greetings with Benazir Bhutto and Asif Ali Zardari
Date: March 7-10, 1995
Participants: Shaukat Aziz, William Rhodes, Benazir Bhutto, Asif Ali Zardari and others
Location: Singapore, Dinner hosted by the Pakistani Ambassador
Summary: Shaukat Aziz exchanges greetings with Benazir Bhutto and Asif Ali Zardari. Benazir Bhutto’s economic advisor asked Benazir Bhutto if she had ever visited Shaukat Aziz’s home in Singapore. She replied that she has never been invited. Shaukat Aziz stated that the Prime Minister was welcome.
Date: March 7-10, 1995
Participants: Shaukat Aziz, Shaukat Aziz’s wife, Benazir Bhutto, Asif Ali Zardari, protocol chiefs for Pakistan and Singapore, the Pakistani Ambassador, and numerous aides and security officials
Location: Shaukat Aziz’s home in Singapore
Summary: During state visit to Singapore Benazir Bhutto makes a surprise visit to Shaukat Aziz’s home. The Benazir Bhutto party remains for approximately one hour.
5 May 1995 $10.2 million, routed through Citibank, NY, transferred from Dubai to Swiss account. Shortly thereafter, Capricorn Trading’s Dubai account was closed. “Citibank has indicated that significant amounts of other funds were also deposited into the Swiss accounts. As described below, the $40 million cap was reached, and millions of additional dollars also passed through those accounts. However, Swiss bank secrecy law has prevented the Subcommittee from obtaining the details on the transactions in the Zardari accounts.”]
Date: July 1995
Participants: Shaukat Aziz, Benazir Bhutto, Asif Ali Zardari and others
Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Summary: Shaukat Aziz exchanges greetings with Asif Ali Zardari and Benazir Bhutto at a lunch given by Malaysian foreign minister in connection with benazir Bhutto’s state visit to Malaysia. Shaukat Aziz may also have exchanged greetings with Benazir Bhutto and Asif Ali Zardari at other events during the visit.
Date: Sometime during Benazir Bhutto’s second term as Prime Minister
Participants: Shaukat Aziz, Shaukat Tarin, Asif Ali Zardari and others
Location: Prime Minister’s Residence, Islamabad
Summary: Shaukat Aziz, Shaukat Tarin meet, perhaps on two different occasions, with Asif Ali Zardari and his aides for informal discussions about the Pakistani economy.
Date: September or October 1995
Participants: Sajjad Rizvi, Paul Collins, Shaukat Tarin, Benazir Bhutto and others
Location: Prime Minister’s Residence, Islamabad
Summary: General courtesy call, discussion of Citibank, macroeconomics and socio-political issues.
Date: December 1995
Participants: Shaukat Aziz, Paul Collins, Asif Ali Zardari and 1,500 others
Location: Karachi
Summary: Asif Ali Zardari is a guest at the wedding of Shaukat Aziz’s daughter
Date: During Benazir Bhutto’s second terms as prime minister
Participants: Shaukat Aziz and representatives of various banks
Location: Karachi
Summary: Asif Ali Zardari arrives at the end of dinner gathering of bank representatives in Karachi
Date: Late in Benazir Bhutto’s second terms as prime minister
Participants: Shaukat Aziz, Benazir Bhutto, Benazir Bhutto’s Finance Secretary and other economic advisors
Location: Prime Minister’s Residence, Islamabad
Summary: Discussion of Pakistani economy
Date: February 1996
Participants: Nadeem Hussain, Shaukat Tarin, Asif Ali Zardari and Javed Pasha
Location: Prime Minister’s Residence, Islamabad
Summary: Courtesy meeting to introduce Hussain as Citibank’s new consumer bank head in Pakistan
Date: March 1996
Participants: Sajjad Rizvi, possibly Shaukat Tarin, Margaret Thatcher, Benazir Bhutto and others
Location: Prime Minister’s Residence, Islamabad
Summary: Courtesy call with Lady Thatcher, whose speaking tour was sponsored by Citibank.
Mar/Apr 1996 “Mr. Amouzegar asked that the overall limit on the Zardari accounts be increased from $40 million to $60 million, apparently because the accounts had reached the previously imposed limit of $40 million. Citibank told the Subcommittee staff that Mr. Holderbeke considered the request, but declined to increase the $40 million limit.
June 1996 UK press reports that Mr. Zardari had purchased real estate in London. Citibank claims that an internal review was done, but Mr. Schlegelmilch allegedly indicated the funds had come from the sale of some sugar mills and were legitimate,” which Citibank accepted.
Date: August 1996
Participants: Paul Collins, Citibank Country Corporate Officer for Pakistan and Benazir Bhutto
Location: Probably Islamabad
Summary: Discussion regarding Citibank, the Pakistani economy, and regional economic and political developments.
Date: Fall 1996
Participants: Shaukat Aziz, Benazir Bhutto, Nusrat Bhutto, Sanam Bhutto, Dr. Bunyad Haider and others
Location: Waldorf Astoria, New York City
Summary: Discussion of Pakistani economy. Shaukat Aziz expressed condolences regarding the death of Benazir Bhutto’s brother. Following this meeting, Shaukat Aziz,
Benazir Bhutto and 20 others have dinner at the hotel.
[Nov 1996 Zardari arrested, for the second time, on charges of corruption.]
[Jan 1997 Citibank closed the Zardari accounts.
8 Sep 1997 Swiss government issued orders freezing the Zardari and Bhutto accounts at Citibank and three other banks in Switzerland, at the request of the Pakistani government.
5 Dec 1997 Citibank prepared a Suspicious Activity Report on the Zardari accounts and filed it with the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network at the U.S. Department of Treasury. Note: So Citibank finally 'notices' suspicious activity - what took them so long?
Date: 1998
Participants: Shaukat Aziz, Shaukat Aziz's wife, Benazir Bhutto, Dr. Bunyad Haider and his wife and several other couples
Location: The Haider's New Jersey home
Summary: Meeting among Pakistanis in the New York area and Benazir Bhutto
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Source: PRIVATE BANKING AND MONEY LAUNDERING: A CASE STUDY OF OPPORTUNITIES AND VULNERABILITIES, Hearings before the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations of the Committee on Governmental Affairs, United States Senate, One Hundred Sixth Congress, First Session, November 9 and 10, 1999. Pages 474-477.
http://www.gpo.gov/congress/senate/senate12sh106.html
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"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win" ~ Mahatma Gandhi
Pilikia
Re: Pakistan's Looted Treasury: Stashed in Swiss Citibank Accounts
August 08, 2009,
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How Citibank Laundered Asif Zardari's Money
In addition to Mr. Shaukat Aziz, current Prime Minister of Pakistan, numerous former Citibankers occupy highly influential positions in the government and the private sector in Pakistan.
Citibank is one of the largest banks, and operates one of the largest private banks in the US and globally. Of the 40 private banks reviewed by the Federal Reserve during its industry wide examination of private banking in the 1990s, only one -- Citibank -- was reviewed in detail by Federal Reserve examiners three years in a row. It is a private bank that has struggled with a wide range of anti-money laundering issues. Although Citibank, under Shaukat Aziz's leadership (from May 1997 to October 1999) and his successors' has done much to tighten controls, it was beset by numerous scandals during the 1990s.
A 1999 US Congress investigation (exact reference given at end) into Citibank, provides a fascinating inside look at how Citibank helped launder the ill-gotten gains of four high profile corrupt figures: Raul Salinas, brother of the former president of Mexico, Carlos Salinas, Asif Ali Zardari, the husband of Benazir Bhutto, former Prime Minister of Pakistan (reproduced below), El Hadj Omar Bongo, the elected president of Gabon since 1967, and Mohammed, Ibrahim, and Abba Sani Abacha, three sons of General Sani Abacha, who was the military leader of Nigeria from 1993 until his death in 1998.
Of the four case histories provided in the Report, the following is a complete excerpt of the Case History for Asif Zardari. The report also provides photocopies of signed documents, banks records, etc. (listed below, at the end).
[Beginning of Excerpt]
(2) Asif Ali Zardari Case History
The Facts
The second case history involves Asif Ali Zardari, the husband of Benazir Bhutto, former Prime Minister of Pakistan. Ms. Bhutto was elected Prime Minister in 1988, dismissed by the President of Pakistan in August 1990 for alleged corruption and inability to maintain law and order, elected Prime Minister again in October 1993, and dismissed by the President again in November 1996. At various times, Mr. Zardari served as Senator, Environment Minister and Minister for Investment in the Bhutto government. In between the two Bhutto administrations, he was incarcerated in 1990 and 1991 on charges of corruption; the charges were eventually dropped. During Ms. Bhutto’s second term there were increasing allegations of corruption in her government, and a major target of those allegations was Mr. Zardari. It has been reported that the government of Pakistan claims that Ms. Bhutto and Mr. Zardari stole over $1 billion from the country.
During the period 1994 to 1997, Citibank opened and maintained three private bank accounts in Switzerland and a consumer account in Dubai for three corporations under Mr. Zardari’s control. There are allegations that some of these accounts were used to disguise $10 million in kickbacks for a gold importing contract to Pakistan.
Structure of Private Bank Relationship. Mr. Zardari’s relationship with Citibank began in October 1994, through the services of Kamran Amouzegar, a private banker at Citibank private bank in Switzerland, and Jens Schlegelmilch, a Swiss lawyer who was the Bhutto family’s attorney in Europe and close personal friend for more than 20 years. According to Citibank, Mr. Schlegelmilch represented to Mr. Amouzegar that he was working for the Dubai royal family and he wanted to open some accounts at the Citibank branch office in Dubai. Mr. Schlegelmilch had a Dubai residency permit and a visa signed by a member of the Dubai royal family. Mr. Amouzegar agreed to introduce Mr. Schlegelmilch to a banker in the Citibank branch office in Dubai.
According to Citicorp, Mr. Schlegelmilch told the Citibank Dubai banker that he wanted to open an account in the name of M.S. Capricorn Trading, a British Virgin Island PIC. The stated purpose of the account was to receive money and transfer it to Switzerland. The account was opened in early October 1994.
According to Citibank, Mr. Schlegelmilch informed the Dubai banker that he would serve as the representative of the account and the signatory on the account. Under Dubai law, a bank is not required to know an account’s beneficial owner, only the signatory. Citibank told the Subcommittee staff that Mr. Schlegelmilch did not reveal to the Dubai banker that Mr. Zardari was the beneficial owner of the PIC [Private Investment Company: an offshore company often used to launder money], and the account manager never asked him the identity of the beneficial owner of the account. Instead, according to Citibank, she assumed the beneficial owner of the account was the member of the royal family who had signed Mr. Schlegelmilch’s visa. According to Citibank, the account manager actually performed some due diligence on the royal family member whom she believed to be the beneficial owner of the account.
Shortly after opening the account in Dubai, Mr. Schlegelmilch signed a standard referral agreement with Citibank Switzerland private bank guaranteeing him 20% of the first three years of client net revenues earned by the bank from each client he referred to the private bank.
On February 27, 1995, Mr. Schlegelmilch, working with Mr. Amouzegar, opened three accounts at the Citibank Switzerland private bank. The accounts were opened in the name of M.S. Capricorn Trading, which already had an account at Citibank’s Dubai branch, as well as Marvel and Bomer Finance, two other British Virgin Island PICs established by Mr. Schlegelmilch, according to Citibank. Each private bank account listed Mr. Schlegelmilch as the account contact and signatory. Citibank informed the Subcommittee that the Swiss Form A, a government-required beneficial owner identification form, identified Mr. Zardari as the beneficial owner of each PIC.
Lack of Due Diligence. The decision to allow Mr. Schlegelmilch to open the three accounts on behalf of Mr. Zardari, according to Citibank, involved officials at the highest levels of the private bank. The officials were: (a) Mr. Amouzegar, the private banker; (b) Deepak Sharma, then head of private bank operations in Pakistan; (c) Phillipe Holderbeke, then head of private bank operations in Switzerland (who became head of the Europe, Middle East, Africa Division in February 1996); (d) Salim Raza, then head of the EMEA Division of the private bank; and (e) Hubertus Rukavina, then head of the Citibank private bank. Mr. Rukavina told the Subcommittee staff that when he was asked about opening the Zardari accounts, he did not make the decision to open them, but rather directed that the matter be discussed with Mr. Sharma. According to Mr. Rukavina, he never heard whether the accounts were ultimately opened. Mr. Rukavina left the private bank in 1996 and left Citibank in 1999.
Citibank informed the Subcommittee staff that the private bank was aware of the allegations of corruption against Mr. Zardari at the time it opened the accounts in Switzerland. However, Citibank reasoned that if the charges for which Mr. Zardari had been incarcerated for two years had any merit, they would not have been dropped. Bank officials also believed that the family wealth of Ms. Bhutto and Mr. Zardari was large enough to support a large private bank account, even though Citibank was not able to specify what actions were taken to verify the amount and source of their wealth. Citibank said that bank officials were also aware of the M.S. Capricorn Trading account in Dubai, and they were comforted by the fact that there had been no problems with that account. According to Citibank, Mr. Amouzegar informed his superiors that Mr. Zardari was the beneficial owner of the Capricorn account in Dubai when they were considering the request to open the accounts in Switzerland. Inexplicably, however, the Dubai account manager was apparently still operating under the assumption that the beneficial owner of the Dubai Capricorn account was a member of the Dubai royal family. Subcommittee staff have been unable to determine whether Citibank officials were unaware of or inattentive to the serious inconsistency between Citibank Switzerland and Citibank Dubai with respect to the Capricorn Trading account. Citibank also informed the Subcommittee staff that bank officials had some concerns that if they turned down the accounts, their actions may have implications for the corporation’s operations in Pakistan; however, they said they never received any threats on that issue.
Citibank told the Subcommittee staff the private bank decided to allow Mr. Schlegelmilch to open the three accounts for Mr. Zardari on the condition that the private bank would not be the primary accounts for Mr. Zardari’s assets and the accounts would function as passive investment accounts. Citibank told the Subcommittee staff that Mr. Holderbeke signed a memo delineating the restrictions placed on the accounts, including a $40 million aggregate limit on the size of the three accounts, and transaction restrictions requiring the accounts to function as passive, stable investments, without multiple transactions or funding pass-throughs. None of the Citibank personnel interviewed by Subcommittee staff could identify any other private bank account with these types of restrictions. Other private banks interviewed by the Subcommittee staff were asked if they had ever accepted a client on the condition that certain restrictions be imposed on the account. The banks all said they had not. One bank representative explained that if the bank felt that it needed to place restrictions on the client’s account, it didn’t want that type of client. The existence of the restrictions are in themselves proof of the private bank’s awareness of Mr. Zardari’s poor reputation and concerns regarding the sources of his wealth.
Movement of Funds. Citibank told the Subcommittee staff that, once opened, only three deposits were made into the M.S. Capricorn Trading account in Dubai. Two deposits, totaling $10 million were made into the account almost immediately after it was opened. Citibank records show that one $5 million deposit was made on October 5,1994, and another was made on October 6, 1994. The source of both deposits was A.R.Y. International Exchange, a company owned by Abdul Razzak Yaqub [since then, the owner of several ARY television channels that, incidentally, have been providing favorable coverage of Ms. Bhutto's recent political activities], a Pakistani gold bullion trader living in Dubai.
According to the New York Times, in December 1994, the Bhutto government awarded Mr. Razzak an exclusive gold import license. In an interview with the New York Times, Mr. Razzak acknowledged that he had used the exclusive license to import more than $500 million worth of gold into Pakistan. Mr. Razzak denies, however, making any payments to Mr. Zardari. Citibank could not explain the two $5 million payments. Ms. Bhutto told the Subcommittee staff that since A.R.Y. International Exchange is a foreign exchange business, the payments did not necessarily come from Mr. Razzak, but could have come from a third party who was merely making use of A.R.Y.’s exchange services. The staff invited Ms. Bhutto to provide additional information on the M.S. Capricorn Trading accounts, but she has not yet done so.
On February 25, 1995, a third deposit of $8 million was made into the Dubai M.S. Capricorn Trading account. Records show that the payment was made through American Express, with the originator of the account listed as “Morgan NYC.” Citibank indicated it does not know who Morgan NYC is, nor does it know the source of the $8 million.
All of the funds in the Dubai account of M.S. Capricorn Trading were moved to the Swiss accounts in the Spring of 1995. On March 6, 1995, $8.1 million was transferred; and on May 5, 1995, another $10.2 million was transferred. Both transfers involved U.S. dollars and were routed through Citibank’s New York offices. Citibank informed the Subcommittee staff that M.S. Capricorn Trading closed its Dubai account shortly after the last transfer was completed.
Citibank has indicated that significant amounts of other funds were also deposited into the Swiss accounts. As described below, the $40 million cap was reached, and millions of additional dollars also passed through those accounts. However, Swiss bank secrecy law has prevented the Subcommittee from obtaining the details on the transactions in the Zardari accounts.
Account Monitoring. Citibank told the Subcommittee staff that, in 1996, the Swiss office of the private bank conducted a number of reviews of the Zardari Swiss accounts, finally deciding in October to close them.
The first review was allegedly in early 1996, triggered by increasing publicity about allegations of corruption against Mr. Zardari. Citibank told the Subcommittee staff that Messrs. Holderbeke, [Salim] Raza, Sharma and Amouzegar participated in the review, and apparently concluded that the allegations were politically motivated and that the accounts should remain open. The Subcommittee staff was told that the review did not include looking at the accounts’ transaction activity.
In March or April, 1996, Mr. Amouzegar asked that the overall limit on the Zardari accounts be increased from $40 million to $60 million, apparently because the accounts had reached the previously imposed limit of $40 million. Citibank told the Subcommittee staff that Mr. Holderbeke considered the request, but declined to increase the $40 million limit.
In June, press reports in the United Kingdom that Mr. Zardari had purchased real estate in London triggered still another review of the Zardari accounts. Citibank private bank told the Subcommittee staff that its Swiss office internally discussed the source of the funds for the property purchase. Mr. Amouzegar and Mr. [Salim] Raza then met with Mr. Schlegelmilch, who allegedly informed them that funds had been deposited into the Citibank accounts, transferred to another PIC account outside of Citibank and used to purchase the property. Mr. Schlegelmilch allegedly indicated the funds had come from the sale of some sugar mills and were legitimate. Citibank told the Subcommittee staff it is not sure if anyone at the private bank attempted to validate the information about the sale of the sugar mills. In addition, even though this account activity violated the condition imposed by Citibank that the accounts were not to be used as a pass through for funds, the accounts were kept open.
Closing the Accounts. In July 1996, after Mr. Amouzegar left the private bank to open his own company, another private banker, Cedric Grant, took over management of the Zardari accounts. Citibank told the Subcommittee staff that Mr. Grant began to review the Zardari accounts about one month later to familiarize himself with them. He also reviewed the transactions that had taken place within the accounts.
In September and October 1996, press accounts in Pakistan repeatedly raised questions about corruption by Mr. Zardari and Ms. Bhutto, as Ms. Bhutto’s re-election campaign increased its activities prior to a February election date. In September, Ms. Bhutto’s only surviving brother, Murtaza Bhutto, was assassinated, and Ms. Bhutto’s mother accused Ms. Bhutto and Mr. Zardari of masterminding the murder, because the brother had been leading opposition to Ms. Bhutto.
In October, Mr. Grant completed his review of the Zardari accounts and provided a written analysis to Messrs. Holderbeke, Sharma and [Salim] Raza, according to Citibank. Mr. Grant had found numerous violations of the account restrictions imposed by Citibank, including multiple transactions and funding pass-throughs. Citibank told the Subcommittee staff that the accounts had functioned more as checking accounts than passive investment accounts, directly contrary to the private bank’s restrictions. Apparently, well over $40 million had flowed through the accounts, though Subcommittee staff were unable to ascertain the actual amount because Swiss bank secrecy law prohibits Citibank from sharing that information with the Subcommittee. Citibank indicated that Mr. Amouzegar had either ignored or did not pay attention to the account activity. Mr. Grant recommended closing the accounts, and they were closed by January 1997.
[Note: In May 1997, Mr. Shaukat Aziz was transferred at Citibank's New York headquarters, from his position as head of credit card operations to head of private banking. In November 1996, Mr. Farooq Laghari had dismissed the government of Ms. Benazir Bhutto-Zardari; and in February 1997, Mr. Nawaz Sharif became Prime Minister.]
Legal Proceedings. On September 8, 1997, the Swiss government issued orders freezing the Zardari and Bhutto accounts at Citibank and three other banks in Switzerland at the request of the Pakistani government. Since Citibank had closed its Zardari accounts in January 1997, it took no action nor did it make any effort to inform U.S. authorities of the accounts until late November 1997. Citibank contacted the Federal Reserve and OCC [Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, the banking supervision arm of the US Department of Treasury] about the Zardari accounts in late November, in anticipation of a New York Times article that eventually ran in January 1998, alleging that Mr. Zardari had accepted bribes, and that he held Citibank accounts in Dubai and Switzerland. On December 8 and 11, 1997, Citibank briefed the OCC and the Federal Reserve, respectively, about the accounts and the steps it had taken as a result of the Zardari matter. These steps included: closing all of the accounts that had been referred by Mr. Schlegelmilch to the private bank and terminating his referral agreement; reviewing all of the accounts opened in the Dubai office; and tightening up account opening procedures in Dubai, including requiring the Dubai office to identify the beneficial owner of all Dubai accounts. Citibank did not identify any changes made or planned for the Swiss office, even though the majority of the activity with respect to the Zardari accounts had taken place in Switzerland.
On December 5, 1997, Citibank prepared a Suspicious Activity Report on the Zardari accounts and filed it with the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network at the U.S. Department of Treasury. The filing was made fourteen months after its decision to close the Zardari accounts; thirteen months after Mr. Zardari was arrested a second time for corruption in November 1996; and nearly two months after the Swiss government had ordered four Swiss banks (including Citibank Switzerland) to freeze all Zardari accounts.
In June 1998, Switzerland indicted Mr. Schlegelmilch and two Swiss businessmen, the former senior executive vice president of SGS and the managing director of Cotecna, for money laundering in connection with kickbacks paid by the Swiss companies for the award of a government contract by Pakistan. In July 1998, Mr. Zardari was indicted for violation of Swiss money laundering law in connection with the same incident. Ms. Bhutto was indicted in Switzerland for the same offense in August 1998. A trial on the charges is expected.
In October 1998, Pakistan indicted Mr. Zardari and Ms. Bhutto for accepting kickbacks from the two Swiss companies in exchange for the award of a government contract. On April 15, 1999, after an 18-month trial, Pakistan’s Lahore High Court convicted Ms. Bhutto and Mr. Zardari of accepting the kickbacks and sentenced them to 5 years in prison, fined them $8.6 million and disqualified them from holding public office. Ms. Bhutto, who now lives in London, denounced the decision. Mr. Zardari remains in jail. Additional criminal charges are pending against both in Pakistani courts.
On December 11, 1997, Citicorp’s Chairman John Reed wrote the following to the Board of Directors:
“We have another issue with the husband of Ex-Prime Minister Bhutto of Pakistan. I do not yet understand the facts but I am inclined to think that we made a mistake. More reason than ever to rework our Private Bank.”
Mr. Reed told the Subcommittee staff that it was the combination of the Salinas and Zardari accounts that made him charge Mr. [Shaukat] Aziz [currently, Prime Minister of Pakistan], the new private bank head, with taking a hard look at the bank’s public figure policy and public figure accounts.
The Issues
The Zardari case history raises issues involving due diligence, secrecy and public figure accounts. The Zardari case history begins with the Citibank Dubai branch’s failure to identify the true beneficial owner of the M.S. Capricorn Trading account. As a result, the account officer in Dubai performed due diligence on an individual who had no relationship to the account being opened. In Switzerland, Citibank officials opened three private bank accounts despite evidence of impropriety on the part of Mr. Zardari. In an interview with Subcommittee staff, Citigroup Co-Chair John Reed informed the Subcommittee staff that he had been advised by Citibank officials in preparation for a trip to Pakistan in February 1994, that there were troubling accusations concerning corruption surrounding Mr. Zardari, that he should stay away from him, and that he was not a man with whom the bank wanted to be associated. Yet one year later, the private bank opened three accounts for Mr. Zardari in Switzerland. Mr. Reed told the Subcommittee staff that when he learned of the Zardari accounts he thought the account officer must have been “an idiot.”
Citibank has been unable to confirm that bank employees verified that Mr. Zardari had a level of wealth sufficient to support the size of the accounts that he was opening. In addition, the Swiss private banker took no action to validate the legitimacy of the source of the funds that were deposited into the account. For example, there was no effort made to verify the claims that some of the funds derived from the sale of sugar mills.
Citibank also performed no due diligence on the client owned and managed PICs that were the named accountholders. Because the PICs were client-created, the bank’s failure to perform due diligence on the PICs meant that it had no knowledge of the activities, assets or entities involved with the corporations. One of the PICs, Bomer Finance, has been determined to have been a repository for kickbacks paid to Mr. Zardari, and those kickbacks tainted funds deposited at the Geneva branch of Union Bank of Switzerland. Documentation has not been made available to determine whether Bomer Finance also used its Citibank account for illicit funds.
Another due diligence lapse was the private bank’s failure to monitor the Zardari accounts to ensure that the account restrictions imposed on them were being followed. When officials were presented with evidence in 1996 that the restrictions were being violated, they nevertheless allowed the accounts to continue.
The Zardari accounts in Switzerland were opened one day before Raul Salinas was arrested. The account was repeatedly reviewed in 1996, after the Salinas scandal became public. Yet there is no evidence that anyone in the private bank had been sensitized to the problems associated with handling an account of a person suspected of corruption.
The Zardari example also demonstrates the practical consequences of secrecy in private banking. Citibank claims that its decisionmaking in the Zardari matter cannot be fully explained or documented, since all Citibank officials are subject to Swiss secrecy laws prohibiting discussion of client-specific information. In light of the fact that U.S. banks are supposed to oversee their foreign branches and enforce U.S. law, including anti-money laundering requirements, this inability to produce documentation related to a troubling case again highlights the problems with U.S. banks choosing to operate in secrecy jurisdictions.
Pattern of Poor Account Management. The Zardari case history took place during a series of critical internal and federal audits between 1992 and 1997 of the Swiss office which, during most of that time, served as the headquarters of the private bank. The shortcomings identified in the audits included policies, procedures, and problems that affected the management of the Zardari accounts. They included:
* failure of the “corporate culture” in the Swiss office to foster ” ‘a climate of integrity, ethical conduct and prudent risk taking’ by U.S. standards”;
* inadequate due diligence;
* “less than acceptable internal controls”;
* lack of oversight and control of third party referral agents such as Schlegelmilch; and
* inadequate monitoring of accounts;
all of which resulted in “unacceptable” internal audit ratings. In December 1995, the Swiss office received the lowest audit score received by any office in the private bank during the 1990s. These audit scores indicate the office’s poor handling of the Zardari accounts was part of an ongoing pattern of poor account management.
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Source: MINORITY STAFF REPORT FOR PERMANENT SUBCOMMITTEE ON INVESTIGATIONS HEARING ON PRIVATE BANKING AND MONEY LAUNDERING: A CASE STUDY OF OPPORTUNITIES AND VULNERABILITIES, November 9, 1999
http://www.senate.gov/~gov_affairs/110999_report.htm
The Report features as an annex to
S. Hrg. 106-248
PRIVATE BANKING AND MONEY LAUNDERING: A CASE STUDY OF OPPORTUNITIES AND VULNERABILITIES, Hearings before the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations of the Committee on Governmental Affairs, United States Senate, One Hundred Sixth Congress, First Session, November 9 and 10, 1999.
This xiv+1114 pages report is available at:
http://www.gpo.gov/congress/senate/senate12sh106.html
It provides (on page numbers indicated) the following:
Documents relating to Asif Ali Zardari:
a. Swiss Form A identifying Asif Ali Zardari as the
beneficial owner of the Capricorn Trading S.A.
account in the Citibank Private Bank in Switzerland
[600]…………………………………. 445
[Signed by "Asif Ali Zardari, Bilawal House, Karachi
(Pak)"]
b. Wire transfer records documenting transfers of $18
million into Mr. Zardari’s Capricorn Trading S.A.
account in Dubai and transfers of $18.3 million out
of the Dubai account into the Capricorn Trading S.A.
account in Citibank Private Bank in Switzerland
……………………………………… 446
10/5/94 transfer of $5 million from A.R.Y. International
Exchange into the Capricorn Trading S.A. account in
Citibank in Dubai [X6903-4];
10/6/94 transfer of $5 million from A.R.Y. International
Exchange into the Capricorn Trading S.A. account in
Citibank in Dubai [X6900-2];
2/24/95 transfer of $8 million from Morgan NYC into the
Capricorn Trading S.A. account in Citibank in Dubai;
3/6/95 transfer of $8.1 million from the Capricorn
Trading S.A. account in Citibank in Dubai into the
Capricorn Trading S.A. account in Citibank Private Bank
in Switzerland;
5/3/95 transfer of $10.2 million from the Capricorn
Trading S.A. account in Citibank in Dubai into the
Capricorn Trading S.A. account in Citibank Private Bank
in Switzerland;
5/4/94 record of Citibank Private Bank in Switzerland
credit of $10.2 million to account of Capricorn Trading
S.A.
c. Mandate Agreement between Asif Ali Zardari and Jens
Schlegelmilch concerning Bomer Finance, Inc.
[601-2]………………………………… 466
d. Mandate Agreement between Begum Nusrat Bhutto and Jens
Schlegelmilch concerning Mariston Securities, Inc.
[603-4]………………………………… 468
e. British Virgin Islands Certificate of Incorporation
for Capricorn Trading S.A.
[605]………………………………….. 470
f. 6/29/94 letter from Cotecna Inspection S.A., stating
that if it receives a contract from the government of
Pakistan for the inspection and price verification of
imported goods, it will pay Mariston Securities, Inc.,
6 percent of the payments made under the contract
[597]………………………………….. 471
g. 12/11/97 communication from John Reed to Citibank Board,
including a discussion of the Zardari matter.. 472
h. List of meetings between Mr. Zardari and Citibank
personnel, provided by Citibank ………….. 474
Ex-chief of Steel Mills spills the beans (The News)
RAWALPINDI: Former chief of the Steel Mills Lt Gen (retd) Abdul Qayyum has advised President General Pervez Musharraf not to exercise his powers under Article 58-2(b) to dissolve parliament or change the Army leadership, adding it would plunge the country into serious crises that too would not augur well for him.
General Qayyum said the best choice for General (retd) Pervez Musharraf is to quit power as, in his view, he (president) did not enjoy the support of any faction of the society.
Qayyum, who served in the Pakistan Army for 40 years with Pervez Musharraf, was responding to questions by Dr Shahid Masood in the popular Geo programme “Meray Mutabiq”.
He disclosed that differences between General (retd) Pervez Musharraf and deposed Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry cropped up over the privatisation of the Steel Mills.
The ex-Steel Mills chief said when the case was being heard by a full court of the Supreme Court, President Musharraf called him (Justice Iftikhar) and asked as to what kind of remarks he (Musharraf) was hearing from him, adding the case should be decided in a manner that it does not cause any loss to the country. To this, Justice Iftikhar said, “You shouldn’t worry. I will decide the case in the best interest of the country.”
The next day when the Supreme Court judgment in the case came, it was totally against the expectations of the president. It was then that a row between the president and the then chief justice ensued.
General (retd) Abdul Qayyum said all the judges on the full court were very honest and competent. They thoroughly did their homework before presiding the court and would make queries to dig into the truth.
To a question, Qayyum said once the then prime minister Shaukat Aziz summoned him and asked him to record a statement in favour of privatisation of the Steel Mills before the Supreme Court. “In response we will accommodate you on a very lucrative post. I told him, Sir, by making me such an offer you have disgraced me,” General Qayyum said.
Lt Gen (retd) Abdul Qayyum further disclosed that once Shaukat Aziz called him on phone and asked him to engage Wasim Sajjad, Sharifuddin Pirzada and Abdul Hafiz Pirzada for the case. But I told him that I have engaged Kamal Azfar. They (Aziz) asked about the fee and I told him that he has engaged him for Rs 700,000 to which the then prime minister said that the Mills should pay Rs 6,200,000 to Wasim Sajjad, Rs 3,500,000 to Abdul Hafiz Pirzada and Sharifuddin Pirzada to be paid even above them.
The former chairman of the Steel Mills said he told Shaukat Aziz that the price of only land of the Steel Mills was Rs 40 billion whereas he was fixing the price of whole the project at Rs 21 billion. This is too low, he further informed the prime minister. He said the prime minister turned a deaf ear to his view and insisted to wrap up the deal before long.
Gen Qayyum said, “I then sent my written objections in a letter. He sent me an insulting answer saying that it falls under their purview.”
Gen Qayyum said painfully that he did not know the reserved price. Some people participating in the bidding did know it, he said.
Gen Qayyum expressed the view that Shaukat Aziz’s bad intention was involved in this matter and an FIR should be registered against him.
Replying to a question, Gen Qayyum said he had tried thrice to meet the president to discuss this matter but he was not granted time. “Then one day I received a phone call saying that I should consider myself out of the job.”
Kabul U.S. Embassy Guard: Sexual Deviancy Required for Promotion
Video Link: http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=8476628
Raja ki baaraat turabi ke saath.
Cong. To Ms. Farzana Raja who got married to ammar turabi, who got married recently in USA.
ALLAH nay banai joree, ik andha te ik koorhi – Many happy returns
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no wonder dulhan screen sey ghaib hain or is she the dulha?Ammar turabi of all the people? yuck to both…
Is he the brother of Dr. Salman Turabi? Who recites Majalis??? WOW!!! What a “family”!!What a riot!!!Ammar Turabi is a BIG LIAR!!! Couldn’t she have done better?!?
Wonder oh wonder
Balochistan court dismisses Bugti murder FIR plea
SIBBI: A local court has dismissed the petition seeking lodging of Nawab Akbar Bugti murder’s FIR against former president Pervez Musharraf.
The petitioner Jamil Akbar Bugti, a son of Akbar Bugti, had filed a petition in the Sibbi District and Sessions Court against the assassination of his father, seeking the court’s direction for the registration of a case against former president Pervez Musharraf, ex-premier Shaukat Aziz and other senior officials.
In September 2 hearing, IG Police Balochistan Javed Bokhari, DSP Abdul Hameed and SHO Dera Bugti Mohammad Qasim informed the court that Tarani area where Akber Bugti and his associates were killed is not part of Dera Bugti and instead of it, it is an area located in district Kohlu. The court had been reserved the verdict.
According to written verdict given by session Judge Jan Muhammad Gohar, the incident took place in Taratani area of district Kohlu, therefore, petitioners should contact with respective police station and Session Court Kohlu.
In his remarks, Session Judge Jan Muhammad said Dera Bugti and Sibbi courts have not authority to hear the filed case, therefore, the petition has been dismissed. Strict security measures were taken at this occasion.
@nota
NS waiting for signal to become PM, till then seat being keep warm and to make sure that when he does contest its “bilamuqabla”. You know a leader the caliber of NS needs Bilamuqabla seat to show how everyone just love him lol
@nota
Im so glad u learning the politics, u anarchist u
Iran Says US Nuke Documents “Forged”
To be noted that the alleged laptop was handed over by terrorist group MEK.
POLITICS: Iran Nuke Laptop Data Came from Terror Group
Apparently we need courts to fix this too. lol, I say the owner should be told bye bye, and kick out of country.
Fed. Govt Minister Watto Tells LHC to go F*** itself, Great going by PPP coalition govt. 1st they capitulated to Sugar Mills owner and when Court intervened to fix it he tells court to pound sand how abt such bravado to the culprits.
ur late mate
Oh wow…What a target for the taliban. Good at least pakistanis would be saved this way. They should display a board saying “Dogs and Pakis not allowed”.
@nota
To really test if he has courage to tell his concience ooey araam se baith. Apney se jihad na lolz
@nota
I believe every word of Shaheen Sehbai story and his interpolations.
but there has to be more tangible credibility to Nadra conspiracy than just visits of Brig Imtiaz and timings of those visits and relations of faryal Talpur to chairman of Nadra…and uncle things.
I disagree
“In his mind Brig Imtiaz, who was close to Nawaz Sharif in the past, was feeling left out after the PML-N staged a comeback in the 2008 elections and formed its government in the Punjab. When everybody else from the past had been accommodated, why not him? That was enough for him to settle some scores. It was time to strike back. He agreed to join the planning and launching of the operation.”
Brig Imtiaz would do it for money and his NRO based reinstated assets….If justice prevail which eventually would happened..they all will fail
This justice would be served by same SC either under Genral Kiyani protection or later on through PMLN,TI and JI.
@nota
who is the politician i was leaning toward Khursheed shah but then it says from isb suburbs so now am confused
@nota
Ur being accused here of crimes.
Sexual harassment at pkpolitics by mbokhari
yaar yeh sumerra ka kiya qissa hai?
MBO=Nota
MBO=Shirkuh
That means
Nota=Shirkuh
No more comments
hawwww…way too complicated for me….:(
@nota
Your “friend” Rauf Klasra is reporting from London
Is it imagination or yet another afsana? He has topped short naming the person involved.
“PPP minister buys £4.3m flat in London
Sunday, September 06, 2009
By Rauf Klasra
LONDON: A top federal minister of the cabinet of Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, who was quite recently the target of frequent lethal attacks in the National Assembly (NA) in its last session on account of his alleged wheeling and dealing, is said to have purchased a multi million pound six bedroom luxury flat in the heart of London.
Many Pakistani politicians do own flats in the Central London, including Rehman Malik and others. Gen (retd) Musharraf recently purchased a multi-million pound flat in the locality where he is living alone these days. Now, this PPP minister is the last, not the least, addition to the list of a privileged class of politicians who own house or flat in London. Nawaz Sharif too owns a residential building at the Park Lane, facing the Hyde Park.
The huge house located adjacent to the Marble Arch area of London, has been purchased at a total cost of £4.3 million and the money was said to be transferred through a money exchange dealer based in F-10 Markaz. The money dealer whose name starts with “I” is said to have sent this huge money through illegal channels. The minister is said to have paid cash to buy this property instead of seeking any mortgage from some local bank, as it is usually done in Great Britain. Sources said that no mortgage was sought and the amount was paid in cash only to hide the identity of the minister who was buying the flat.
The political sources in London claimed that the money was sent in instalments through Hundi business, therefore the transfer of this money was not traced by the concerned agencies. The sources claimed that the minister could also face the serious charges of “money laundering” as he had sent the money in huge amounts through illegal channels instead of using the normal banking channels.
The sources said the minister, who is a member of PPP Central Executive Committee, had been visiting London quite frequently when Benazir Bhutto used to summon the meetings of his party men in 2007. The minister who used to live with some of the party people in London at their flats, was searching for a small flat since 2007 but his limited financial resources did not allow him to buy a flat there. The minister had also visited many places of London to find out a flat along with his political friends. The sources said the minister was always interested in buying a flat in London and he always talked with his friends how to buy a flat. His lifetime desire was fulfilled when he became a minister in the PPP government and he started minting money.
He was the only minister in the PPP government, whose stories of corruption had started making rounds in Islamabad. He even came under fire in the national media and the NA, but he always denied these reports and even vowed on Quran to establish his innocence. But, no one believed in his vows, which are very common in Pakistan to deceive the gullible general public.
The minister, who belongs to the suburbs of Islamabad, was so infamous in taking bribe and commissions in the deals that at one stage his name was at the top of those ministers who were set to be replaced and given some other insignificant ministry. However, Prime Minister Gilani, despite several vows to change this minister, never found a chance to reshuffle his cabinet.”
Link: http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=196866
Yet another PML-N scandal?
And isn’t it only the top of the iceberg?
- MNA “Haji” Pervez,
- Punjab Minister Chaudhry Ghafoor
- MPA Munawar Gill
- MNA Anjum Aqeel
- Shumaila Rana
Does anyone know what Tahir-Uæ-Padri is planning?
Yes…there is a resemblance. I heard he recently made a “itteqaf” town/city. Maybe you know more about that.
hehe interesting…took me 2 hours to read the whole thread….How did I miss reading it last year?
@nota
what a loser this woman is, My God…please go and remove that link. tauba she is full of her stupidself. Absolute tamasha.
A dog dies a miserable death. Happy days in Hell!
http://blogs.denverpost.com/captured/?pp_album=main&pp_cat=default&pp_image=marine003.jpg
LTTE was behind attack on SL cricket team in Lahore, says Gilani
Am waiting for any Pakistani news source to quote it, dun know the site that posted the news appears to be a wordpress site lol
The baboo(n) newspaper also got the same heading
Please note this one:
“We have broken up a Punjabi Taliban network and we have arrested an attacker who shot dead a policeman,” Rathor told reporters.
How ridicolous. Why not say it was criminal elements who carried out the misdeed? Why drag “Taliban” into each and every criminal act just like Al-Qaeda is dragged in everywhere by the West.
@taukeer
Regarding that pic, link that u have posted. I have a brotherly advise
dushman mareen te khushi na kareen
kal sajna vi mar jana eh.
How many deaths will this so called WOT will take. Dun matter who died, a foot soldier at the end of a day is a foot soldier just following orders and trusting the command. Using deragatory lingo dun help. Its against Islamic teaching too. Think of this way since there is no prophet after Prophet PBUH and we r the ummat-e-wast and Rasool was witness upon us and we are to witness upon the mankind, I guess we failed again, another person died b4 being a witness to Islam. Its our failure too
@nota
am just trying to say going down to the level of opposition dun become us. It was and always will be the moral superiority not the arms nor the wealth that wil make one triumphant. As demonstarted to us by Prophet (PBUH). So if we to succeed wee should have moral upper hand.
@Afzaal
If he had courage and humanity he could have done as many others did and are still doing. Why fight a war on the other side of the globe, because he is told that America is “threatened”?
Afghan Taliban decline Swat militants’ request for help
SWAT: Afghan Taliban declined a request for help from the militants in Swat by reminding them of their policy of non-interference in Pakistan’s affairs.
Sources among the Afghan Taliban told that the Swat Taliban had approached them recently and sought help in their battle against Pakistan’s security forces.
A senior Afghan Taliban official, requesting anonymity, from undisclosed location confirmed that they were approached by the Swati militants for help in their fight against Pakistan’s armed forces. “We told them that the Afghan Taliban have a standard policy not to interfere in Pakistan’s affairs. We reiterated our policy and requested the Swat Taliban not to involve us in Pakistan’s internal matters,” he explained.
It may be added that the Afghan Taliban have often been linked to the Pakistani Taliban. There have been credible reports that Taliban leader Mulla Muhammad Omar has been sending emissaries to mediate between warring Pakistani Taliban leaders and request them not to fight with each other.
I would say it’s a sensible approach by the Afghan Taliban.
compare to what we did to them we should thank God they have more sense then us lol
Agreed…it was a total sell out. In fact it was a SHAMEFUL act of treason!
Not the way to defuse the situation. On contrary the dispute will certainly get even worse, but who cares since they (incompetent politicians and the army) are duty bound to show the fist instead of friendship.
Long live Justice. Choor ka bhai girahgut lol
RE: Death of a DOG
Guys that is all it is. Nothing less nothing more.
@afzal would you suggest surrender so that we don’t face wrath of the enemy. Kinda sounds like Mushi.
Mushi badrooh at large!!! Has a new home!
You will regret this!!!
there is no talk of surrender, u missing the point, its ramadan as a brotherly advise i m suggesting using better lingo. After all we need to be morally superior.
That woman is worst anchor should have seen her crying with altaf lol
Najam Sethi isin’t it the same guy whom NS threw in jail on treason? Man it was mirc days and i heard from LUMS gal abt the story dun have details.
In fact Jasmine’s ugly style reminds me of Mubashir Luqman’s likewise (ugly) style. Haven’t they learned bad behaviour from the same contaminated source.
I don’t like her style at all. She acts like a b****. I just found the content of the program interesting reg. PML-N. They have been doing their usual dirty politics while their opponents have prepared some cases aginst them. Both camps are crooks.
The prg. is still interesting!
nota is right…cancer is spreading
Jasmine is a top anchor bitch of Slaman Taseer.
She is no class so is Luqman both are danda style anchors who is more into laffazi in heat than real substance.
Now talking of cancer,ARY has pitched in with its own share and Dunya with Najam Sethi.
Sethi who used to call Pakistani people as “Middle Class Mentality”.
Now when he is given anchor position in mainstream media…it make him more responsible…Now he call Pakistani people “You be the judge of my presentations”
Yes
Cancer is spreading
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Can you put today,s “Off the Record” as top headline.
According to Faisal Saleh Hayat today is Manazara between him and PPP Raja Perwaiz Ashraf and Jahangir Badr about corruption charges.
Chances are PPP representatives will not show up.
Then post the link at pk politics by someone who is not moderated there.
German had no right to call in Afghan strike: report
Y can’t they eat cake? Philosophy by Kaira lol
Zardari seeks Kunduz air strike probe
What the heck?
What about seek a probe about air strikes within PAK territory first….you {moderated by Observer}
@observer
issey kehtey hain baiganey ki shadi main abdullah deewana lol
Cabinet fails to resolve sugar crisis
How could they have resolved the crisis when some of the big fish themselves are part of the sugar gang.
How many companies are owned by the Butt clan?
2 or 10 out of 80 sugar mills?
No more sugary dishes in PM House
Kya – wazere-ala ko DIABETES ho gay hai?
‘US envoy admitted 200 homes rented in Islamabad’
ISLAMABAD: The Senate Standing Committee on Interior has taken serious notice of closure of roads, erection of blockades and non-execution of construction work by foreign embassies in the diplomatic enclave. Besides it has sought a detailed report from the Foreign Ministry, the Interior Ministry and the CDA within three weeks in this regard. The committee met here on Wednesday under its chairman senator Talha Mehmood at the CDA headquarters. Senator Jamal Leghari told the committee the US ambassador had acknowledged that 200 houses had been acquired on rent in Islamabad. Agents of Blackwater, the CIA and the FBI would be accommodated in these houses, he alleged. According to the Interior Ministry, a committee had been constituted under the chief commissioner to talk to all stakeholders and submit a report.
So let me get straight its perfectly ok to do this in Iran but not in Afghanistan lolz. Hypocrisy at its best
US urges caution on Afghan vote
TTS ex spokesman Muslim Khan arrested: DG ISPR
RAWALPINDI: The former spokesman of Tahreek-e-Taliban, Swat Muslim Khan has been arrested, DG ISPR said.
BHC approves Bugti case petition for hearing
QUETTA: Balochistan High Court has approved Akbar Bugti murder case petition for hearing and summoned former President General (r) Pervez Musharraf and former Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz on October 7.
A divisional bench of BHC comprises of Chief Justice Qazi Faiz Essa and Justice Ghulam Mustafa Mengal issued the summons to Ex President Pervez Musharraf, Ex Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz, former Interior Minister Aftab Sherpao, former Governor Balochistan Owais Ahmed Ghani, former Chief Minister Jam Muhammad Yousuf and former provincial minister for interior Shoaib Nosherwani on Friday while hearing a petition filed by Jamil Akbar Bugti for the registration of the FIR in murder of his father and former Governor and Chief Minister Balochistan Nawab Akbar Bugti. They have been summoned on October 7.
Earlier, local court of Sibbi had rejected the same petition against former President Pervez Musharraf.
@ nota
Actually I agree with PML – N on Pakhutunkhuwa, if u want to change the name lets have a referundum.
@nota
if one can’t flip flop wat kinda politician he/she is lol
@nota
the more things change the more they stay same.
Dr. Israr was right, we are bound by legal means to call a lot muslims but in truth majority are not. For speaking the truth he was accused of mullahism and declaring majority of pakistan non-muslim lol
tu raheem hai tu kareem hai magar tere jahan main
hain buhat talkh banda-e-mazdoor ke auqaat (iqbal)
oh BTW if u complain abt the so “helpful” MPA and he gets in trouble he will say see naiki ka zamana he nahi madad karoo aur mushkil, aur mera hissa commission ka cuz im sspending time facilitating lol
Sharam tumko magar nahi atee. Another slap from USA to govt aur yeh baigharat phir bhi waheen kharey rahaingain, I am against this govt but they are Pakistani govt and this sucks this insults gotta stop. Sharam karoo hayaa karoo, ppp waloon.
US says no direct funding to PPP government
WASHINGTON: The United States made it absolutely clear on Friday, days before President Asif Ali Zardari is to meet President Obama and British Prime Minister Gordon Brown in New York, that bulk of the money it will provide under the Kerry-Lugar Bill will not go directly to the PPP government, but to specific projects and purposes for which it is intended.
Senior journalist, Shaheen Sehbai in a dispatch here said that the US government was still grappling with the issue of a huge trust deficit and would not feel comfortable with aid money getting into the hands of the PPP government despite efforts in Washington to repair and whitewash the image of PPP leaders.
US State Department Deputy Secretary for Management and Resources, Jacob J. Lew in his briefing told this.
Jacob Lew told the briefing: “On the question of aid, there, as any of you who have seen the press releases put out would know, they’re very much anxious to have as much of the assistance as possible flow directly to the Pakistani government.
“We made clear that we’re looking at a variety of approaches, that we certainly intend to be supportive of Pakistani ministries where the programmes are ready to accept that support effectively, but that we also needed to look at the provincial level and to work with the traditional NGO community, and it wouldn’t be a one-size-fits-all approach.”
The official made it obvious that instead of providing aid to the government to spend wherever it liked, they would look at the ministry projects, which are ready on a case-to- case basis and also provide direct aid to provinces and NGOs. That is what he meant by saying that “it would not be a one-size-fits-all approach.”
Jacob Lew also spoke about his visit to Pakistan in general. “We focused on a number of issues. I think, as you all know, with the Kerry-Lugar programme being worked through now in Congress and the budget process working through, in terms of the appropriations, we’re ready to take the next step and put a detailed programme out there that really goes and specifies what forms of assistance will be provided.
This is the latest indication that the U.S. government is still struggling to overcome with its trust deficit symptom and is not willing to give the funds on account of aid directly in the hands of the People’s Party, despite the Pakistani officials in U.S. trying hard for improving the image of the PPP leaders.
Rauf Klasra claims he has now sued Pkp and does some “inkishafat”
chuTtee nahi munh se yeh kaafir lagee hoi, IK nay sab ko sue ka rasta dikha diya lolz
Promoting “business”?
Link to full story: http://thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=24493
“Mega land scam in Karachi
State land measuring more than 75,000 sq yards situated in the heart of Karachi, whose market value was once assessed at Rs 7 billion has been leased out to a private party for 99 years by the Sindh government for merely Rs 155 million, it is learnt.
According to sources, on the basis of previous assessments, the government had three figures before it to fix the rate of the commercial land i.e. Rs 7 billion as assessed in 2007; Rs 3.76 billion as determined in 1998; or Rs 2.636 billion as per the price fixed in 2006 by the District Price Fixation Committee.”
@ nota and observer
U guys just dun understand capitalism :p didnt u hear the report that House financing corporation has gone bank corrupt and Finance minister want it to privatize lolz
Its republicans economy shall I say conservatives so all good in name of capitalism
And don’t say that we ever disagreed on that
@nota
Point is not that there was no deal to let mushy off the hook, ofcoz there was a deal but that deal was btween PPP (read: BB) and Mushy. The question was would PML – N will push for with the opposition (read JI PTI and Baluch Nationalist). That NS or for that matter the so called coalition govt cant deny KSA and USA and anyone but Pakistani awwam is no secret. Wat ppl hoped was NS would have learned his lesson and do the deed this time.
Strictly speaking, if as per SC article six or watever against Mushy is Parliment show then numbers just ant there, so PML – N can take a principled stand without worryiong abt needing to implement it. Good politics and its helps PML – N and hurt coalition govt. So when smokes gets clear what we should be asking is do PML – N even have balls to take a risk free political stand or not?
The Obama Administration is Actually Increasing the US Presence in Iraq
That is what I call democrazy in action! Just remind me what was the slogan again, “CHANGE, WE CAN’T!”????
Just a thought if someone would like to write about all American wars in the last 100 years.
To my knowledge they have always won against conventional armies and always lost against Guerrilla organisations. Quite a consistent record I would say!
Hum to chaley pardes hum parddesi ho gaey
In the rest of the world they can travel by train with almost the same speed as an aeroplane. In Japan they can reach almost 600 km/h (practically it is about 300 km/h). Even countries like Turkey, Singapore and Malaysia are on the way to introduce trains, which can reach about 300 km/h.
Japan:
Turkey:
If we had such possibility in Pakistan a travel between Lahore and Karachi could be overcome in about 3 hrs. I would say that’s even faster than by air (a lot of time is lost at the airport)…..but sigh…in Pakistan it’s still more like the below picture.
Kis, kis cheez ko roeeN – ye to sara jaal hi phata hoa hai
And the crap of SS continues
Re KPT land grabbing scam the front guy Dinsha Uncle Sariya in fact is proxy of Zardari.
No one knows the tallest 60 story building in Pakistan is under construction by Habib Rafique group and owners are no one but infamous Malik Riyaz and share of Zardari is represented by Dinsha.
This is twin tower one corporate and other residential.
The project name is ICON and is not brought to market yet…its situated at main heartland of Clifton near Abdullah Shah Ghazi Mazar facing the sea.
Man what F***ing planet this f***** Hussain Haqani is from. He is so f*****up.
My reply here
http://www.sohnidhurti.com/2009/09/14/no-mr-prime-minister-let-me-alert-you/
Sheikh Rasheed forced the issue
By-polls on November 7: CEC
ISLAMABAD: The Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) Tuesday announced to hold the by-elections on all vacant seats including three seats of National Assembly and two Punjab Assembly constituencies on November 7.
On the hearing of a petition field by Sheikh Rashid demanding holding of by-election in the constituency NA-55, the Chief Election Commissioner directed the Punjab government to complete the security arrangements for the purpose.
Sheikh Rashid arrived at the ECP accompanied with Amir Fida Paracha.
After the hearing, a statement was issued announcing the by-elections on vacant seats on November 7; the schedule would be announced later.
According to announcement, the vacant seat include NA-55 of Rawalpindi, NA-123 of Lahore and NA-271 of Kharan; similarly, PP-82 of Jhang and PP-284 of Bahawalnagar.
Chief of Awami Muslim League, Sheikh Rashid Ahmed said election process would be completed after Eid.
Chief Election Commissioner, Justice (r) Hamid Raza heard the petition.
Sheikh Rashid Ahmad had filed a petition in the ECP in which he took the stance citing the laws of Election Commission that ECP is entitled to hold election on any vacant seat within 60 days.
Therefore, he demanded from ECP to hold by-election in constituency NA-55 as soon as possible.
It is worth mentioning that the said that constituency was vacated by PML-N Leader Hajji Pervez Khan after he had tendered resignation due to which ECP had postponed by-election in view of the law and order situation.
@nota
qts then should be asked, why is public so dumb that they keep electing these morons. BTW heard in news JI did go america go and now doing daily hungama on inflation. Yet no news coverage wat gives. If public not showing up 4 that then its their fault. Waisey bhi I strongly believe jaisi rooh waisey farishtey jaisey hum waisey hukmuraan
@nota
and IK calling another conference then he wonder why PTI is not that popular in Pakistan and why ppl still listen to MQM lol.
Dude come out get on streets, screw system otherwise ur critics r right ur a tanga party and just do darwing room and talk shows siyasat lol
China thandee maar marta hai, I am sure its nothing just india doing its crap to have USA come back to it
@nota
Dude I subsscribe to dun see who is talking see what is he talking philosophy (except in Islamic law and interpretation, where ppl like Ghamdi under me would be durrey khaing lol) so if article satsify me I post it. I dun like Republicans or conservative but I agree with them on abortion. Hope this explains.
Qts abt poll is what the heck they still including Qazi sahib for? I mean he no longer has any say in JI he is just another member of shura and he is not really that active either. They should include Munawwar Hassa, but then MQM only remembers thunder squads and beating by JI student wing for them Munawwar Hasaan mean beating of altaf lol
@nota
again kufr peer sahib ke khilaaf
bus tera kuch nahi ho sakta lol
I just love the headline lol
Millers, dealers shoot themselves in the foot
Very Interesting article
Is America Hooked on War?
@nota
nah only cuz Iraq war has really brought it home and now IA Defeat waits in Afghanistan. Its like veitnam only problem is establuishment learned its lesson and went to execute in Iraq war through Fox noise (news) eventually when body bag start piling up even Fox couldnt help. Same way they gonna do with Afghanistan but right now Fox has become a monster that even establishment cant control so Obama is out of luck lol
EID MUBARIK TO EVERY ONE. Ok ok guys I have not seen the moon yet! Just mid day here but stranger things have happened. Just look at Zardari. I hear he is leaving the country to celebrate eid!
And is Mushy planning to celebrate eid with his loved ones.
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or do you remember the Paki dog!
or when it is all over look like this!
and to crown it
They might have a get together!
Mush, Bush, Zardari, Bummer!
Pakistan police raid US-contracted security firm
ISLAMABAD – Pakistani police raided a local security firm that helps protect the U.S. Embassy on Saturday, seizing dozens of allegedly unlicensed weapons at a time when unusually intense media scrutiny of America’s use of private contractors has deepened anti-U.S. sentiment.
Two employees of the Inter-Risk company were arrested during the raids in Islamabad, police official Rana Akram said. Reporters were shown the seized weapons — 61 assault rifles and nine pistols. Akram said police were seeking the firm’s owner.
U.S. Embassy spokesman Rick Snelsire said the U.S. contract with Inter-Risk to provide security at the embassy and consulates took effect this year. It is believed to be the first U.S. contract for the firm, said Snelsire, who did not have a figure for its amount.
“Our understanding is they obtained licenses with whatever they brought into the country to meet the contractual needs,” he said. “We told the government that we had a contract with Inter-Risk.”
Akram said he had no idea about any U.S. links to Inter-Risk. A man who answered the phone number listed for the company and identified himself as Riaz Hussain confirmed the raid but gave contradictory answers when asked about any U.S. ties.
The company popped up Friday in one of a slew of local media reports that have focused on private security firms American diplomats are believed to use in Pakistan.
In particular, Pakistani reporters, anti-U.S. bloggers and others have suggested the U.S. is using the American firm formerly known as Blackwater — a claim that chills many Pakistanis because of the company’s alleged involvement in killings of Iraqi civilians.
The U.S. Embassy denies it uses Blackwater — now known as Xe Services — in Pakistan.
Scandals involving U.S. private contractors have occurred elsewhere in the region.
In Washington on Friday, the Commission on Wartime Contracting heard testimony about another contractor — ArmorGroup North America — involving alleged illegal and immoral conduct by its guards at the U.S. Embassy in Afghanistan.
Earlier this year, the Iraqi government refused to grant Xe Services an operating license amid continued outrage over a 2007 lethal firefight involving some of its employees in Baghdad, although the State Department has temporarily extended a contract with a Xe subsidiary to protect U.S. diplomats in Iraq.
Many of the reports in Pakistan have been prompted by U.S. plans to expand its embassy space and staff. Among the other rumors the U.S. denies: that 1,000 U.S. Marines will land in the capital, and that Americans will set up a Guantanamo-style prison.
The U.S. says it needs to add hundreds more staff to allow it to disburse billions of dollars in additional humanitarian and economic aid to Pakistan. The goal is to improve education and other areas, lessening the allure of extremism.
Some analysts say Islamist and other opposition groups may be planting the stories in the Pakistani press and blogs to portray Pakistan’s government as an American lackey.
Pakistani political analyst Talat Masood said Inter-Risk’s association with America “will increase the apprehensions that existed that the Americans are engaged in clandestine activities,” and that the raid shows “the Pakistan government is asserting itself.”
The U.S. considers stability in Pakistan critical to helping the faltering war effort in neighboring Afghanistan, and has pressed Pakistan to crack down on extremism on its soil. Al-Qaida and Taliban fighters are believed to use Pakistan’s northwestern regions bordering Afghanistan as hide-outs from which to plan attacks on Western troops in Afghanistan.
Pakistan has launched offensives against militants, but has also relied on some local militias to help fend off the Pakistani Taliban. Some of these militias share the same aims as the Taliban in Afghanistan, but disagree with targeting the Pakistani government.
On Saturday, one pro-government militia leader said the army had asked him to stop fighting the Pakistani Taliban. Turkistan Bhitani told The Associated Press that he and 24 aides surrendered their weapons to the army in the northwestern city of Dera Ismail Khan and that he had asked 350 of his men to do so as well.
Pakistani army spokesman Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas, however, said he knew nothing of such an arrangement.
Also Saturday, a bomb at a security checkpoint in the northwestern region of Dara Adam Khel killed at least two people, local government official Aslam Khan said. He said police are still investigating if it was a suicide attack and determining the identity of the victims.
Taliban fighters in Pakistan’s northwestern regions bordering Afghanistan frequently target security checkpoints. The Sunni extremist militants also have fueled violence pitting Muslim sects against each another.
Police said Saturday that the death toll from a suicide car bombing at a hotel in a Shiite Muslim-dominated village in Pakistan’s northwest rose to 40. The Friday blast in Usterzai village was followed by a bomb in nearby Cho village that killed a Sunni official.
The army said in a statement that 51 militants had surrendered in the last 24 hours in the northwest Swat Valley, and that another seven were arrested during ongoing operations there. It also said militants fatally shot five civilians in a minibus there.
Black Water: American terrorists
CJ running for office
CJ visits Adiala Jail, distributes gifts among prisoners
ISLAMABAD: Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry after offering Eid prayers here went straight on a visit to Rawalpindi Adiala Jail.
The chief justice on this occasion exchanged greetings with the prisoners, heard their complaints and distributed 6,000 gift packs, which he had carried along with him.
It may be recalled that Adiala Jail has a capacity of 1994 prisoners, while the existing prisoners tallied 5,000. Adiala Jail has some such women prisoners, whose children are also living with them, but there is no separate arrangement for these children’s residence.
CJ on this occasion will take a round of the Jail Hospital also.
Leader bun chuka hai yeh kub ka…chuska lug gaya hai fame ka…roz roz TV per aa ker kaunsa insaaf dey raha hai yeh pagal ka bucha? He clearly has political ambitions. God help his country.
Yes I did, I was away hence couldn’t reply.
@nota
I did, btw am still waiting 4 ur e-mail I sent u the article abt open letter to CJ waiting 4 ur reponse?
Brzezinski: U.S. should attack Israeli jets if they try to attack Iran
The national security adviser for former President Jimmy Carter, Zbigniew Brzezinski, gave an interview to The Daily Beast in which he suggested President Obama should make it clear to Israel that if they attempt to attack Iran’s nuclear weapons sites the U.S. Air Force will stop them.
“We are not exactly impotent little babies,” Brzezinski said. “They have to fly over our airspace in Iraq. Are we just going to sit there and watch? … We have to be serious about denying them that right. That means a denial where you aren’t just saying it. If they fly over, you go up and confront them. They have the choice of turning back or not. No one wishes for this but it could be a ‘Liberty’ in reverse.”
The USS Liberty was a U.S. Navy technical research ship that the Israeli Air Force mistakenly attacked during the Six Day War in 1967.
Brzezinski endorsed then-Sen. Obama’s presidential campaign in August 2007, which at the time was portrayed in the media as a boost to Obama’s foreign policy cred. The Washington Post reported: “Barack Obama, combating the perception that he is too young and inexperienced to handle a dangerous world, got a boost yesterday from a paragon of foreign policy eminence, Zbigniew Brzezinski.”
Brzezinski was never an official campaign adviser, but Republicans jumped on the endorsement to push the meme that Obama wouldn’t be a friend to Israel, as Brzezinski’s views of Israel attracted criticism from some quarters in the American Jewish community.
(Source: ABC News)
Very Interesting idea and seems to be working what you guys think?
Latin America makes a dent in poverty with ‘conditional cash’ programs
Santa Cruz, Brazil – Denise de Oliveira lost her job as a janitor in June when she had to stay home to care for her 13-year-old son, who had pneumonia. The 45-year-old single mother of four has kept food on the table, however, thanks to a government program that pays her family $70 per month.
“It doesn’t give you enough to buy everything you want, but it sure helps,” said de Oliveira, who lives on a dirt street in this impoverished town on the outskirts of Rio de Janeiro.
Unlike traditional government handouts, however, this popular anti-poverty program, which has spread throughout Latin America and even to New York City, requires that de Oliveira’s children stay in school. The children also must have twice-a-year health exams and be vaccinated against diseases.
The program goes by different names — Bolsa Familia (Family Fund) in Brazil and Oportunidades (Opportunities) in Mexico, the most populous countries it’s in — and has slightly different rules depending on the country. Analysts say it’s become the most successful anti-poverty program in years because it requires the poor to do something meaningful and measurable in exchange for government charity.
“I have worked in this field for 30 years in every region of the world,” said Helena Uribe, a senior anti-poverty specialist at the World Bank in Washington. “This is the one (program) that works. It has showed that you can reach poor people today and position them to improve opportunities over a lifetime.”
“The programs are popular because they have quick impacts that are measurable,” said Amanda Glassman, a specialist in the program at the Inter-American Development Bank. “Well-child visits go up. Vaccination rates go up. School attendance goes up. Kids are taller for their age, even if they’ve been in the program for only a year.”
Fears that the program would encourage families to have more children, stay at home rather than work to collect benefits or become playthings of patronage-happy politicians have proved to be unfounded, Glassman added.
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Colombian President Álvaro Uribe and Chilean President Michelle Bachelet will be among the speakers at a forum on the program Tuesday in New York.
The program began in Brazil and Mexico in the mid-1990s. About 100 million people now are enrolled in it in Latin America, including 45 million in Brazil and 12 million in Mexico, according to the World Bank. Every Latin American country except Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua has some version of the program, and millions more receive benefits in places such as Bangladesh, Kenya, and Pakistan.
The cash payments typically go only to women, who’re more likely than men are to make sure that the money is spent on food and clothing, analysts say.
Bolsa Familia has had its most dramatic effect in Brazil, where 25 percent of the country’s residents receive benefits.
Sergei Soares, who studies Bolsa Familia for the Institute of Applied Economic Research, a Brazilian government research institute, said, “It has kept millions of kids from dying from starvation and related illnesses.”
In Mexico, researchers have found that the dropout rates of 16- to 19-year-olds in rural areas dropped by 20 percent.
On the health side, researchers have found that children in Mexico gained an extra half-inch in height on average, while malnutrition dropped nearly 7 percent in children younger than 2 in Colombia, according to the World Bank.
However, the programs — which social scientists call “conditional cash transfers” — also demonstrate the limits of anti-poverty programs.
“The programs are not a panacea to poverty,” Glassman said. “They are part of the answer to poverty.”
Soares, who calls the program a huge success, said it had done little to reduce poverty in Brazil because its greatest impact had been keeping the poorest of the poor alive and making their lives somewhat more bearable. In other words, they’ve moved up from the bottom rung, but remain poor.
The program also has yet to lift classroom test scores in Mexico, the one country where data are available. It’s barely raised school enrollment in urban areas throughout the region because most children already were in school.
“It’s so easy and seemingly indefensible to write a check for poor people,” said Samuel Morley, a longtime anti-poverty specialist, referring to the World Bank and the Inter-American Development Bank. Both institutions have loaned billions of dollars and provided expert advice to developing countries to implement and manage the program.
“But I wish they spent more money on actually improving the quality of schools. The education system is starved for funds.”
Jere Behrman, a University of Pennsylvania professor who’s studied the program, said it didn’t turn students into classroom stars.
The schools they attend, he said, “are not very good. They need better materials, computers and teachers.”
However, Behrman said that children who spent more time in school tended to be more productive when they entered the work force and to exhibit more self-discipline, and even were better parents.
“More time in school matters,” he said.
In Brazil, Soares said, students who spend at least eight years in school are six times less likely to be homicide victims than those who spend four years or less in school.
In Santa Cruz, a struggling town 90 minutes by car from Rio de Janeiro, Selma Floriano, like her neighbors, swears by the program. She sat in a side patio filled with old shoes and a broken-down washing machine and discussed Bolsa Familia.
“Before, children had to leave school to work and help the family out,” said Floriano, a 49-year-old mother of eight. “Now, if your children are juggling for tips at a stoplight instead of being in school, they can drop you from the program.”
Need help anyone,
Ok I swear I thought I read Hamid Mir column in Jang 20th September where he revealed how Zardari back his old ways. Threatening ppl to sell property he talkeed abt hashim someone whom zardari talked in front of hamid mir and the guy denied while hamid mir asked then why he going around saying etc etc and also mentioned some guy who is gong to court to seek protection from zardari. What Hamid mir was hinting at old ways zardari coming back. Can some confirm cuz Jang website doesèt have that article any more? I swear I tot i read it .
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@nota
thanks man I tot i was dreaming lol. So Zardari back to his old ways eh? :p
Sorry I am reprinting this post here
I doubt pk politics would print it.
Wahid Doyum stamping of mbokharieees Pentagoni version of 9/11, as genius then immediately he realized his stingy shortcoming and call it “Pure Genius”
Theres a big difference between “Genius” and “Pure Genius”
A genius is simply a genius within his own domain without due acknolwdgement by honorable (Sufaid Ghar) I can not write the name.
AND a pure genius is purified by Pentagon (ooops I did write the name).
In the pentagoni version of 9/11 by Kali Chamri super purified genius(I can not write the name) this muslim woman of paralysed jewish and non muslim husband who happened to be daughter in law of some father in law concocted a story because she was having coffee at nearby 7/11 when 9/11 did happen
She was fast to find a link with her paralysed jewish huband and his neighbors…This satirically hillrious version was fast to hit homerun by Kali Chamri(I can not write the name).
Jewish Fox News website was slow to compete with Kali Chamri(I can not write the name) and reported 60 to 150 Israelis detained in connection with 9/11 which later they found out was concocted at 7/11 but still it took them few day to come in line with Kali Chamri(I can not write the name) and remove the news of Israelis detained from their website until then unfortunately millions of viewers had seen the news.
Now many of us who do not understand under what frame of mind Hussain Huqqani (ooops I wrote the name) works.
This is first time in the history of mankind this Kali Chamri(I can not write the name) and Hussain Huqqani(ooops again I wrote the name) are leading the goras and setting up an example , at least at some place we are fast where they are slow.
Who said Masa could not be led…Just keep him misguided about the slaves condition nd keep him confused..Masa is bound to follow the home slave.
I would be proud of this Kali Chamri(I can not write the name) if he change the whole equation and by dodging and his fast thinking speed compeled th Masa to say
“Slave are we sick today”
How abt we sack Bilour. For crying out loud ANP now gonna teach us Islam? These retards were singing communism praises yesterday today they becoming the guardian of Islam. When ANP was calling on USSR and India to attack and destroy Pakistan I guess they were being nationalist too. Hell there own leadre bacha khan was so averse to Pakistan he asked to be burieed in Afghanistan. Khatey Pakistan ka hain aur hum he par ghurratey hain. There so called puhstoon love has been manifested by thier support of USSR against afaghanis, shaking hands with MQM and now backing USA ‘s war on terror whose main victims are pushtoons.
Bilour snubs Munib remnant of Musharraf demands dissolution of ReH
Muneeb urges Bilour to stay away from mischief
u 4got ghamdi lol
Its hard to understanbd why Dr. Amir Liaquat was counted among Dr. Babar Awan and Ghamdi.
If the guy preach non wahabi Islam does not make him a bad guy…Its not a pr-requisite to be a wahabi to become a good scholar.
On Salman Rushdie issue first he quit ministry then MQM….He prove his love for Prophet and that counts.
Actually I agree with you. Honestly I could not stand the guy before but now I can tolerate him. May be my tolerance level has increased or maybe it is because I can see him inching in the right direction.
@ nota you mean “Dr” Gobar Hewan I am sure!
@taukeer
i tot we doing serious debate lolz
@All
What’s wrong with Ghamdi? I have listened to him a few times and didn’t find anything suspicious, but maybe you know something I haven’t experienced.
Ghamdi is undisclosed Pervaizi i.e. Prophetless Islam
Ghamidi sala has his own version and interpretation of Islam.
@nota
Right
If a mullah wants to be recognised he will “invent” something. Take a look at Tahir Ul Qadri
My personal view is that they are not better or worse than all the others – not that I agree with them on all matters.
I have still not received a concrete answer about Ghamdi apart from that he is a “Pervaizi” or has another interpretation of Islam. Why do we have to follow the traditional mullahs in each and every “fact” they present? Isn’t there so much KNOWLEDGE in Al-Qur’an that we will continue discovering beautiful pearls in f.ex. science etc.?
Btw: I think there is a confusion/disinformation regarding the “Pervaizi belief”. They don’t say they don’t believe in hadith. What they say is that Hadith (the written version) is not always according to what the Prophet (saw) actually did or say.
@nota
That was from the depth of my heart. I think I must meet “myself”, when I am in Pakistan next time. Who has any doubts left?..ha..ha.ha.
Btw: These tableghee fellas they travel half the world around to do tableegh. Their accommodation is very modest but the cost must be enormous compared to what they could have achieved in Pakistan. I say why not stay in Pakistan and get order in our own house first? Anyway I admire their commitment, but it could have been used in a far better way. Just go to a bazaar and do some tableegh to business owners etc.
anyone know wats going on?
First time Bureaucracy is going by the Book…This is the fruit of free judiciary.
I extend my visa every year…When I renewed last year…first time there was a chit attached, with instructions not to go into Cantonment areas….I knew then something is going on.
Joke of the century: Bilawal great leader like Bhutto and BB – ROFL. Jabhi is mulk ka yeh haal hai aisey aisey jahil political parties main hain – lol
bhai yeh log chumchay hain inki baat ka kiya dukh kerna, jub tuk aisay log hain tub tuk Pakistan ghulam hi rahain gey.
@nota
Prophetless Islam means Prophet was a mere postman used as a medium…He did his job and done with now Quran is their baby they can play anyway they like.
True ahadith are also the word of God for mainstream Islam.
It was prime job of Prophet to explain the Quran and that explanation comes through ahadith and His actions.
@nota and his four points
1. His degrees too are proven fake
2. He was caught with a chic in his car
3. He was sector-incharge of MQM meaning he is responsible for a lot of murders and bhata-collection
4. He did abuse the khalifas (though he later apologized)
I don’t know about 1 and 2 but I detect a lot of ego in nota who is living in a perfect world.
Re 3, sector incharge means he could be a very good guy or bad also as nota assume he collect bhatta.
I know many sector Incharge who are truly doing community service like punishing the bhatta collectors etc etc.
Re 4, I would rather not comment because I don’t know what was he accused of probably he was quoting some history which is forbiddon to talk.
Like Prophet’s mutawatir hadith in siha sitta that I am leaving behind Quran and my ahlul baith adhere to both of them until you see me on judgment day.
This hadith is strictly kept for the books not to be read or preached because “I am leaving behind Quran and sunnah” is made the chapter of eiman now there is no need to further explore it.
@Observer
Muslim can not be a Muslm unless he believe in “Judgment Day”.
Creating doubts about “Judgment Day” and calling paradise and hell allegorical terms in Quran put all Ghamdians and perwaizis out of fold of Islam.
Allama Perwaiz was cautious in denying original explanations of Judgment day, pardise and hell by Prophet of Islam but he was the first in India to clearly introduced new meanings of these terms which eventually help his followers to develop totally new concept about akhira i.e. all the good and bad are rewarded here and a Hindu like concept of re-incarnation.
Lack of character by main stream muslims because of their weak faith in akhira can not be attributed to mainstream Islam.
Islam still is the best religion which gives a complete way of life which is unmatched by other big religions of today’s world.
@nota the length of beard is kind of ritualistic belief…the base of which is obedience to Prophet.
I have no problem with those who have 2 inches or 4 inches beard or some have 8 inches beard though I am beardless.
Islam is nothing but proximity to Allah…if this nearness to Allah could be measured in inches or feet or miles then I would say 4 inches would not draw you 4 miles away from Allah and 8 inches would not draw you 10 miles near to Allah.
Yes your parctice on the faith you are copying Prophet or in obedience to Prophet would draw you 100s of miles near to Allah.
Similarly faith in judgment day is essence of eiman like obedience to Prophet, that can not be measured with practice of length of your beard.
I don’t know in what reference you quote Bilour…Though moonsighting and celeberating eid on different days again is incopareable to faith on judgment day.
Ghamdi is a doggy Mullah with a “Post Modern” twist that likes of Bush Mush and Blair envisioned. And for me that is information enough to ignore their views. Whatever they say could be contaminated by the thoughts of their masters.
@nota
Good find though nothing is new we already don’t know.
After reading Apendix C in detail…now be wary of anyone who is against tradinional Islam including Ghamdi and Perwaizis and many posters here and pak politics.
A powerful bitch has written these thesis which are sold at $18/- and made available free as community service…so there must be some budget allocated to implement her ideas.
I am not just worried about Ghmdi I am also qorried about those channels who are promoting him.
@observer and Nota
what u guys have done 4 Islam
easy to criticize others. What have u guys done urself? Regarding Hadith issue, can u prove a hadith is wrong beyond doubt? If so plz do will be more then happy to discuss that. Btw since we talking abt ahadith and Quran can someone plz temme what is the main criteria of judging ahadith:)
@afzaal
Hadith that were first compiled at least 150 years after Prophet’s death will remain unauthentic forever unless references found in the Quran….period.
Yes…period….FULL STOP. Don’t compare ANYTHING with the holy Qur’an! It ha a UNIQUE status!
Btw: Maybe Afzaal think he has contributed a lot to Islam since he can make that kind of ridiculous statements i.e. what have you done for Islam.
Btw: @Taukeer might have a point about Ghamdi and his (very) mild version….almost laissez faire style. I might be wrong, but that’s the suspicion I have.
RE Gadaffi: The last gasp I call that! They usually do this kind of thing at such a time. Not that it will be any loss to the Libyans, Africa, Muslims or Humanity.
But he has a point. Maybe he wanted to be Hugo Chavez. Remember his smell of Sulphur speech. That was a speech by a leader who has vision and you can see it. Gadaffi can drop dead and I won’t believe him!
Inspiration no doubt is Bhutto sahab, I don’t like Gaddaffi, he always let Muslims down.
After reading Appendix C of the documents link posted by nota I have to add up this post.
Double eid and moonsighting incident was not an innocent mistake by ANP….Bilour apologize and retract his words like its all done was under emotions…I do not buy that.
ANP is well organized and a strong political party with strong political agenda.
Asfandyar Wali long visits to USA and Dubai when after election new setup was in the process of making in Pakistan needs a brain storming.
Since the part of coalition Govt. ANP is doing everything to divide the people of Pakhtunkhawa…This troubled moonsighting is also the part of deal.
In shia community we never have this problem but this year is unique.
In many cities of USA shia celebrate two eids in same city…similarly in Saudia shia have two eids and in Pakistan first time mulla announced from a Masjid those who are in the Taqleed of Aytullah Khoei should break their fast and go for eid prayers.
Befdore I go further I may explain shias are already divided into Taqleedi and non Taqleedi and Taqleedi are dominant and powerful most belong to Taqleed of Aytullah Khaminei and Aytullah Sistani…Theres no evidence of Taqleed of deceased Aytullah Khoei….though Sistani owned his teachings but new Muqalids are known as Taqleedi of Sistani.
This is the first time people were addressed as Muqalid of Khoei should celeberat eid because he is not alive and he does not have wakeels in different cities who can confirm moonsighting…Sistani does.
They have seen the power of Marjah in Iraq and Iran so the scheme is to break this power and it must be done within the sections of Taqleedi shias because a non Taqleedi shia would not have same impact.
@jazoo and Afzaal.
you guys write looooooooooooooooonggggggggggg and booooooooooooooooooooring posts…
Please keep them short and spicy.
then I suggest u dun read them.
If I don’t read them, I would miss reading your intellectual thoughts, what a great loss it is going to be…
@Jazoo I appreciate your openness and that is sign of a true muslim. As I keep emphasizing in my posts the western agenda is to splinter muslim unity by introducing and making us empahsise the different schools of thoughts. This is in accordance with the Protocols of Zion’s agenda.
Just a thought on Hadith. It is one of the most researched topic and generally I would accept any hadith with its reference. I think questioning the validity of Hadith without putting forward contrary evidence is at best intellectual dishonesty.
Thanks Tauqeer
I wish all Pakistani should be more forthcoming and natural in their discourse.
We are badly infected by hangups and complexes….thats very much visible on all levels…
@nota
oh man he is right country main sugar mill nahi city main hai samjha karoo na lol
@observer
I think u still pissed off at me for “bite me” comment, I had replied to u right away. U can read here
Regarding wat has anyone done for Islam shouldnt we all ask this qts? What I have done for Islam today or all my life. Easy to criticize someone then to get up and do something. No one is comparing Quran. but Quran commands us Obey Allah and obey prophet several times, How do we perform salat if its not for hadith. We need both Quran and Ahadith to have Islam. Maulana Maududi wrote an excellent book “sunnat ki aaini haisiyaat”. Do read it explains much better then I can ever explain. Its the ijma of the Islamic nation that Quran and Hadith are must component of Islam. U cant have one without the other.
@ nota
1st of all calm the fuck down. No one said anything abt quran cant be stand alone. All i said was u need ahadith as part and parcel of Quran just like u need ijmaa and qayas.
If u look at the way a hadith is looked is there r 2 fundamentals.
1 – A hadith has to reconcile with Quran. That is if a hadith goes against Quran dun matter how strong the sanad is its gonne be rejected.
2 – The sanad of hadith.
There is a whole ilm of hadith plz read it up it will enlighten u. 2nd I didn’t put anyone out of fold of islam, if u guys wana debate then get off the high horse and debate otherwise say u dun wana debate just wana score points.
@Afzaal
More than that I am pissed off by your “answers”, when you are cornered. You show that deep inside you – after all – are a Jamati jiyala – Fully able to see the fault in others but not when it comes to your own belief in dictatorship. I don’t mind at all if you support JI, but I do mind selective “justice”.
Btw: I could also use local sayings which wouldn’t be offensive here, but if you use them on Muslims then it certainly would create problems! Your explanation/apology was good enough – though I hope you don’t repeat it.
@observers
I apologized to u right away and gave u my reasoning. If u still pissed off abt that comment of bite me then nothing I can do.
@Afzaal
Habit of not reading what others write?
I repeat it: “Your explanation/apology was good enough – though I hope you don’t repeat it.”
@nota wrote
“Geo sells us the showman Aamir Liaqat as the voice of Islam”
When all the indicators goes against Geo only this one programe “Alim Online” goes in favor of Geo.
Any muslim who is not hardcore wahabi(who thinks their Islam is the only Islam) will agree this Alim Online is the best programme ever produced for unity of ummah.
Masa plan is to divide ummah….with due respect to nota this programme ia all about unity of ummah.
Re: his degrees being fake nota produced a third tier online paper.
This cheap and unknown low class Daily Tribune has not even credibility equal to another low class pak politics.
And then there are two type of accusations
One that online University is not recognized to offer such degrees..so my take is Dr. Amir is cheated.
Second he is accused of buying the degrees without any proof of purchase deal.
Probably he paid the fee and that was assumed as buying the degree.
I am sorry if nota sources are cheap Daily Ummat and low class unknown online papers which an individual can easily lauch by purchasing a website…Just pay the annual subscriptions and website is yours you can ply all kind of games.
I think nota owe an apology to this board and Dr. Amir Liaquat Hussain.
@nota
No love for Dr. Amir….All I love is truth.
The link by “DAWN” does not say he bought those degrees…it simply says Degrees not recognized….its not as big offense as you put…propbably Dr. Amir himself was cheated.
Your earlier links smear him as a fraud person which is not proven by “Daily Dawn”.
We need little honesty from you as well in giving broader picture by copy pasting.
@nota
You amazed me
When you have to prove theres no room for ahadith and still you quote ahadith to establish your point.
Why not go to Quran and find out if theres a need for ahadith..its clear and you will be left with no doubts if you are serious researcher.
@nota
the hadith regarding suleman if u read all of them u can notice urself the wording is not same and there is lot of iztarab in them,. thus making them easily unacceptable. Dun matter the sanad of hadith is just against common sense that a man can do that physically. So if few hadith dun pans out then we should throw all hadith out. Thats just aweosme reasoning.
@nota
I agree with you ahadith should be put on criterion of Quran and then on common sense.
LOL I see quite a debate raging! We need shamitroo’s take on all this.
@Nota re; Important engagements of “President Zardari” I am sure that is true. BTW did you not notice him hiding behind the rostrum in a certain posture while “President Bummer” was making the speech! Now why wont you accept that as a private engagement.
I just came across this
Zardari ko dekha to aisa laga
Jese khana kharab,
Jese total azaab,
Jesey Aadi faqeer,
Jesay murda zameer,
Jese Naasoor ho koii sartaa howaa,
Ek zardari ko dekha to aisa laga,
Jese bijli ka taar
Jese khanjar ki dhaar,
Jesey dozakh ki aag,
Jesey zehrila naag,
Jese garmi ki dhoop
Here is another gem!
TITLE FOR ZARDARI
Muhammad Ali Jinnah ………………………….QUAID-I-AZAM
Fatima Jinnah……………………………………….MADR-E-MILAT
Liaquat Ali Khan……………………………………QUAID-E-MILAT
Yousaf Raza Gillani………………………………AATY-KI-QILAT
Asif Ali ZARDARI…………………………………..ZILAT-HI-ZILAT
@tauqeer
If NS had stoppeeing in his pants he should demand to know how Zardari displayed BB photo in General Assembly.
He is there as President of Pakistan not the co chairman of PPP.
If he had to display any photo it has to be of Quide Azam.
@Jazoo
“If he had to display any photo it has to be of Quide Azam.”
I understand what you are saying—>we agree….., but on the other hand how can we demand that crooks display the picture of the Quaid….wouldn’t that be hypocricy?
If I had to choose then maybe it’s better that Zardari uses BB’s picture.
How disgraceful for the deceased. Why does he need to display pictures at all? It should be Netanyahu if he must display a photo because he badly needs his blessings.
@Nota
What you have actually proven is that corruption already started long ago. Let me first make one thing clear. I or for that matter anybody of us does NOT dispute the sayings of the honourable Prophet (saw). I suppose all of us agree that the first step towards Islam goes through the Prophet (saw) in the sense that first we believe he speaks the truth and is the messenger of God! That means there is NO dispute in what the Prophet said is the TRUTH and according Al-Qur’an!
You have also mentioned a vital point about the being of hadeeth. Why did the honourable Prophet (saw) not ensure that hadeeth were written down in his life time? There MUST have been a very good reason for that. Many Muslims claim that hadeeth describes sunnah, but remember the prime sunnah for the Prophet was Al-Quran. Actually THAT was what his guidance in Islam just as well as it is our guidance with a God given GURANTEE that this prime source CANNOT be corrupted. Al-Qur’an is COMPLETE and needs nothing else to be proven right! Actually the Almighty Allah has in clear terms warned everybody including the Prophet to stay on track.
Al-Qur’an; Translation by YUSUFALI:
069.043
(This is) a Message sent down from the Lord of the Worlds.
069.044
And if the messenger were to invent any sayings in Our name,
069.045
We should certainly seize him by his right hand,
069.046
And We should certainly then cut off the artery of his heart:
069.047
Nor could any of you withhold him (from Our wrath).
Isn’t that a VERY STERN warning to the Prophet? Not that he was about to do it, but isn’t it a warning to all Muslims to stay on course and NOT to invent ANYTHING by themselves about the Almighty? Isn’t that the case with some hadeeth?
I don’t mind reading and studying hadeeth either, but please take it as it is i.e. more or less reliable/accurate historical narratives. To attribute the “narratives” mentioned by @nota to our Prophet (saw) is actually an insult towards our religion and our beloved Prophet (saw). Nor am I saying that some of the sahaba deliberately lied, but on the other hand anti-Islam elements cannot be ignored either i.e. people who on purpose has planted lies in between true narratives. I think hadeeth can be categorised like this:
- Hadeeth with genuine link to first hand witness. Uncertainties are the many links through MANY generations to the first hand witness. 150 years is equal to 6 generations!
- Hadeeth planted with the purpose to corrupt our deen=the perfect way of life by the enemies of Islam. They did an awesome job. We only sank deeper and deeper and got farther and farther away from Islam and have ended up with numerous fractions, who can even not pray together.
What do we need to do? We need to get back to the true spirit of Islam. Wipe out all ills and go back to the core of Islam i.e. Al-Qur’an. We will have plenty of challenges in that alone since we will face all kind of angles to understand Al-Qur’an. I do not mind listening to different interpretations as long as they are honest and makes sense. That is off course a personal decision each and every Muslim must make by him- herself.
@Mayoos Pakistani: Sorry for the long post, but these are very sensitive matters.
This explanation was important.
I would like Afzaal to prove that Hadith were compiled while prophet was alive.This is wahabi Islam of convenience.
I have already replied below
PTI for ban on politicians involved in sugar crisis
PAKISTAN Tehreek-e-Insaf Central Secretary Information Omar Sarfaraz Cheema has said that all politicians involved the present sugar crisis and that of 2006 should be disqualified and barred from taking part in politics.
Link to full story: http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=200109
A good stand. Combine this with another good PTI stand about banning all those corrupt PPP and PML- N (and others too) politicians who has enormous assets in foreign countries. We need politicians who are ready to live with and die with Pakistan!!!
Pakistan had a good win against the Indians. We had a good team effort apart from that the fast bowlers didn’t do well. Very good knocks from Yousaf and Malik. Great bowling by Afridi and Saeed. I think/hope this team will go a long way, inshallah.
Newcomers like Mohammad Aamer and Umar Akmal has given a boost to the team. The team is a good mix of talented youth and experienced players like Yousaf, Younis, Malik Afridi etc. I would say I only missed Abdul “Razor” Razzaq. Does anyone know why he is still not a permanent member of this team? Why keep such a brilliant all rounder out of the team?
Man what got in to Imran’s head he is going all kuchi muchi with Altaf Kaliya.
Sorry don’t have the link but Imran quoted in Express newspaper that MQM is his natural Ally. A friend showed it to me and I could not believe my eyes.
Abb yeh din bhe dekhna tha!
@nota
btw ur wrong abt hadith not written down in time of prophet PBUH, asshab-safa were there for just this purpose. U can search if u want anywhere and u will find the same answer that hadiths were written down in time of prophet. But if u dun believe that then lets not argue anymore, Cuz we have a fundamental disagreement that we won’t agree to.
Al-quran, sunnah and ijma, qayas and ijtihad makes up islam. Not only one thing. This is the believe and this is the right way.
There is no punishment of rijam in quran for married zani, yet Prophet implemented it its been part of islamic sharia since time of prophet. This is just an example of how imp sunnah is.
Here r is a good lecture that might help u. A talk delivered at MIT by University of Washington NELC Assistant Professor Jonathan Brown. Prof. Brown recently completed his Ph.D. at the University of Chicago where his studies focused on the history of Islam, Islamic law, Qur’an and hadith, Islamic historiography, and hermeneutic traditions in Islam. His dissertation is entitled “The Canonization of al-Bukhari and Muslim: The Formation and Function of the Sunni Hadith Canon.” This video is Part I of four parts. The talk was sponsored by the MIT Muslim Students’ Association, delivered on November 18, 2006, and was titled “A Brief History of Hadith Collection and Criticism.”
then provee me Quran is without tempering, After all it was not compiled in prophet time. and how do we know it was written in prophet (pbuh) time? As per ur argument where are all the parchments gone if it was written in prophet time?
good 4 u what abt someone who dun believe? U r making a stupid statment saying hadith dun count, when I gave u clear example of rajam, which is no where in quran yet implemented by prophet aand is ijma of sahaba and of whole umma. If its not in Quran then how prophet could implement it? I can go on n on citing example after example of sharia eg quran only states chop hands for theft, it dun explain on what amount and what theft, it is through Prophet PBUH words and conducts we know how to implement that hud. So pray tel me how u can complete sharia without hadith and sunnah? If Quran as per our eman is for the end of times so are all the commandmeents and ayah in Quran and when Quran repeatedly says obey Allah and Obey prophet (PBUH) it is till the end of times.
So bro u think.
@tauqeer and @nota
Grow up.
You can not say final word in politics.
This video probably is another example of depicting bad broader picture by not showing the context.
Imran wisely says according to Books and thats all MQM agenda in Books about representation of middle class infact they have brought people into NA from middle class and other good things they say in their Books.
I am sure context of the IK speech would be about May 12th massacre and their practically mafia style operating system deviating from their own Book.
I think I myself nota and tauqeer should have no problem if culprit of May 12th and their other terror activities are brought to justice…Be ready to shake hands with them if they clean themselves.
Politics is flex your muscles and show them but do not use them.
I think Imran is getting wiser.
Re: IK’s reconciliatory words towards MQM
I think there is more than one scenario about IK’s approach.
If the aim is to inch closer to them with the current MQM setup, then it’s a sad development and IK’s image will certainly suffer, but if the aim is to awaken sensible voices inside MQM i.e. they get rid of criminal elements with Altaf first in line, then the effort could be praise worthy – though personally I don’t believe that MQM zombies will leave behind Altaf and other known crooks in return of being accepted like a genuine political party. The second scenario is acceptable, but a friendship with crooks will damage IK/PTI a lot.
http://www.insaf.pk/News/tabid/60/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/2811/MQM-gives-up-politics-of-terror-then-they-are-natural-alliance-Imran-Khan.aspx
Time will tell what the aim is.
I am happy if they join hands against feuds and dynastic politics.
hairaan hoon roon dil ko ke peetoon jigar ko main
maqdoor ho to saath rakhoon nooha gur ko main
lol tum bhi join kar lo mqm aab;)
THis is disgraceful. Mayoos , Jazoo and Observer I am DISGUSTED and about to puke. Wait a minute…….
Mayoos you talking against dynastic politics! I am amazzzzzzzzzzzed.
While talking about Imran Khan in a small private meeting I was informed in the presence of Columnist Haroon ur Rasheed that one of his biggest weakness is lack of foresight. Unfortunately for him this settles the big debate going on in my mind about PTI. I am afraid it is still a one man party.
I am hoping to get the message passed to him. Keep a look out for a riot!!!!
Nota hang on to that police shield souvenir!!!
@Observer, about getting rid of criminal elements in MQM
Now please tell me how many times has that been attempted. I rather surrender to the Indians then their lackey.
@jazoo, there is no way you can twist or untwist this statement.
The least I will be seeking is an apology from him.
Man HAMARA DAMAGH KHARAB HO JATA HAI LOOGON TO CONVINCE KAR KAR KEY and he wipes it in a moment. I am seething with anger. I would have hit him on the head to knock some sense into it if he was nearby. Pls don’t get me started./
@Taukeer
“Now please tell me how many times has that been attempted.”
You may be right, but there is no harm in trying – if this is the aim. Personally I also doubt any success.
“I rather surrender to the Indians then their lackey.”
yes, and hopefully after executing the trojan horses.
@taukeer
was just reading in yesterday newspaper haroon-rasheed’s column calling Imran to come out. I guess like ata-ul-huq qasmi, haroon sahib bhi shakhisyaat ke rasya hogaey. Anyhoo forget everything can IK plz explain how PTI and MQM are natural allies, what is common btween them?
If i remember correctly MQM motto was
1 – mehsureen-e-mashriqi pakistan ko wapis lao.
2 – quota system khatam karoo.
3 – khokhrapaar ka rasta kholo.
dun know what their new motto is cuz it changes on order of thier masters, last they were yelling liberalism, while shooting and burning ppl down,
Get rid of criminal element? So basically getting rid of altaf lolz
Haroon ur Rasheed is a ardent IK supporter and never claims to be neutral on this issue and I can understand that. The reason I mentioned him in my comment was that even he did not object to that comment by a very responsible person.
Anyway dobtoon ko tink ka sahara. It is a sad sad situation.
Maybe we are just wasting our time when we can’t even produce a visionary leader.
BTW before reading “MQM reconciliation statement, as per Observer” I would have agreed with Haroon ur Rasheed asking IK to contest NA55 or NA123 election and would have contributed but I am not so sure now.
@taukeer
aawey aawey sheer aawey lol man am supporting NS, chala hoa kartoos but we know whom we dealing with atleast lol
Qamar zaman kaira 1st gov and the result
Yes….awayee – e awayeee…..chala hua kartoos, yeh dekhna ke kahiN Pakistan ko bhi chala hua kartoso na Bana dey. He is such crook like his brother! I am sure he will come and make further mess out of it – just like PPP. They are two sides of the same (fake) coin. I’m not saying it to defend IK, but what has both PPP and PML-N been doing? The “great administrator” has shown his willingness to make deals with MQM. Met with their leadership etc.
That doesn’t give IK/PTI the right to do the same. If PTI makes any shady deal with them, then it needs to be condemned, but until further it is a mere statement about policy issues i.e being “natural allies” in political statements. I do agree in principle (on paper), BUT I don NOT agree with IK in that if you look at what MQM is practising. In real life they might come from middle class families, but look at how their high ups are living now. They have clearly got some handsome “salaries” to carry them upwards in the hierarchy.
MQM has consistently shown that they are pro-establishment as long as they can become a part of the ruling elite. They ruled alongside the military dictatorship (Maybe Afzaal appreciates that) and now they are ruling alongside PPP and when time comes they will rule with the Butt team too. The question is; has IK paved the way for a political alliance with MQM. I hope not…that will be suicidal!
@Taukeer
It is not only PTI which has a one man show. That goes for PPP and PML-N too. Nobody dares to go against the will of Zardari clan or the Butt clan. That’s a fact, and that’s why they are also top controlled parties!
@observer
but but but can u plz explain how “even on paper” PTI and MQM are natural allies. Just explain me this plz.
@Afzaal
I don’t know how IK’s perception is about this issue.
My personal assesment would be that on paper both claims to be the party of anti-establishment, for middle class, against military intervention, rights for poor, development etc. On paper the case will be the same with almost all other parties too like PPP (Roti kaprha aur makaan) and the same can be said about PML-N, Q and JI, but when luck has favored all these parties they have not been acting according to what they say/write, and that includes MQM too.
Personally I don’t believe MQM and PTI can be allies unless a total transformation of MQM i.e. they get rid of criminal elements. I suppose they won’t and thus never become reliable allies for anybody-unless shortsightedness like the PPP and PML-N led governments. MQM is opportunistic by nature (even more than many other parties) and will seek to get influnce with any government party. So IK’s statement is a waste of words. He will not achieve much by that.
@observer
as u just admitted the so called agenda is same of all parties then as political law all parties are natural allies. Which is very superficial thing to say. eg. PPP and JI can never be allies, though both talk abt anti-establishment and betterment of ppl etc etc, cuz idelogically they are two different parties. Same with MQM and JI, both are ideological movement and thus can never be allies. PPP and MQM compliment each other ideologically together with ANP and can and do work together, cuz ideologically the difference is not sun and moon. Where as PML can work with JI and others ideologically speaking. These are all ideological parties. except PML that since formation of pak has become king party. But rest of parties, PPP, ANP, JI and MQM are ideological parties. If PTI is natural allies with MQM then one must submit ideologically they compliment each other.
@Observer as our local “PTI spokesperson” you will have to grin and bear this one.
THIS is a F****** own bloody goal. And now your defense about one man show I thought PTI was different.
@Taukeer
Would you like to have the tag of being the spokesman for the Butt team
I think you are twisting the facts. I have clearly stated what is my personal opinion about the whole affair. Apart from that I am not living in fantasy land to think of a 100 % match with any political party and nor am I a flip flop supporter. Any party will make mistakes and have always have certain policies which does not suit my mind. I will look at a party as a whole and support what I find is overall acceptable.
You are welcome to tag me anything you like but I am sure you know in your heart that I am only a Muslim and Pakistan supporter. Nothing more nothing less.
@Afzaal
I did not speak about ideology in general but more on policy matters. Complete convergence of ideology between all parties is out of the question (that will not happen – otherwise one of them must go). I agree with you that some parties “on paper” have more in common than others, but what is keeping JI an PPP from working on common platform on certain issues? I know that JI cannot work together with PPP on the “liberal” agenda, but why not work together on getting rid of poverty, dictatorship, infrastructure etc.
@observer
This is PTI naivety speaking. Cuz to tackle the poverty the parties have totally different ideas. How can they work together? One believe in open capitalism, govt hand outs for richs and giving benazir card like oont ke munh main zeera other believe only on zakat and sadqa with govt intervention in markets to bring down prices. How can they both work to eliminate common problem when they diverge so significantly on solutions and approach?
oh Taukeer might understand it better the ideological difference btween conservatives, libs and lib dems is a classic example.
@Afzaal
“oh Taukeer might understand it better the ideological difference btween conservatives, libs and lib dems is a classic example.”
I know that. I am slo living on this planet and know that the political fights between conservatives and (social)democrats etc. Maybe you have not noticed it, but on cerain issues the work together – at least where I am.
@Observer man in this kind of situation te first thing you have to do is stop digging!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Feeling a bit relieved. Just went “THROUGH” a PTI person on the phone. Let the f****** hear first hand the ferocity of the reaction on this statement.
@Observer man WTF have you been smoking. What utter tosh are you talking about PTI and MQM. What f******* planet are you on.
@Taukeer
Don’t get too over excited. It’s not only you who can use that kind dirty language!
@taukeer
lol man calm down, this is politics, always take it easy.
No need to “debate” with the likes of you!
This is not a f****** fan club. So as I suggested earlier grin and bear it.
We expect our politicians to be responsible and that is all I am demanding. Some f****** decency, honesty and integrity. Is that too much to ask?
@taukeer
calm down man wtf dude, chill, thats politics 101. U pissed he turned out another politician or u pissed that he still dun get it ?
@Taukeer
I don’t suppose you are DUMB. Don’t you read what I write?
Are you hallicinating? Get the hell used to use your brain and read what I write and not what you would like to read!
Here are excerpts of what I wrote:
“That doesn’t give IK/PTI the right to do the same. If PTI makes any shady deal with them [MQM], then it needs to be condemned, but until further it is a mere statement about policy issues i.e being “natural allies” in political statements. I do agree in principle (on paper), BUT I don NOT agree with IK in that if you look at what MQM is practising. In real life they might come from middle class families, but look at how their high ups are living now. They have clearly got some handsome “salaries” to carry them upwards in the hierarchy. ”
And
“Personally I don’t believe MQM and PTI can be allies unless a total transformation of MQM i.e. they get rid of criminal elements. I suppose they won’t and thus never become reliable allies for anybody-unless shortsightedness like the PPP and PML-N led governments. MQM is opportunistic by nature (even more than many other parties) and will seek to get influnce with any government party. So IK’s statement is a waste of words. He will not achieve much by that.”
Where is the “fan club” statement? Am I not saying that I don’t agree with IK? Astonishing “thinking”.
@Afzaal
Maybe I am pissed off because he has the same habit as you i.e. only read selected “items”…..that’s dishonesty. But after all you are showing what you stand for……perfect allies of PML-N
@observer
actually we r not reading anything selectively u just not making sense with ur argument. I again ask how PTI and MQM even on policy matters are natural allies. Dun gimme crap abt middle class, MQM not the only party, JI, PPP and PML all have done so.
MQM wants war against so called Talibans and welcome USA presence, PTI against it. how this makes natural allies? Ur argument dun make sense.
You are still reading “between the lines”. I told you that there is no full match and only what I could think of could be common ground. There is no harm in working on a common agenda – given it is a true political party and not a criminal party like MQM. I say once again that in real life MQM and PTI cannot be political allies!
But I know why you people are pissed off. The matter is altogether another one (religion), but you people thought you could twist and turn my statements into being what you wanted and thus could have a go at me. No way, I am capable of defending what I stand for.
Stay honest if you want to debate. Otherwise the the whole exercise will be for nothing!
@observer
am not pissed I m just laughing on political immaturity. I dun belong to any party, But compare to all the crap out there will back PML – N over anything. I have stated many times b4 will state again JI should not even take part in elections.
good 4 u but apparently IK thinks they r natural allies lolz
@Afzaal
Maybe it is political immaturity to work on common agenda in your country or where you live, but it is NOT the case all over the world. There are plenty of examples of working together on selected issues in spite of being on different ideological tracks.
Oh some thing from our beloved indian media on Pak victory – ROFL
@observer
accha na untle now that PTI and MQM natural allies aab common agenda par amal kar laina lol
@afzal thanks for replying the mumbo jumbo about “reading” as you rightly point out I can’t see the common ground observer is talking about. We might as well have common ground with Aliens from mars. “Survival of the fittest” for instance or with th crusaders. After all they wanted to spread “gods” message.
May be IK can’t bear the heat anymore. That is all I am disappointed about. But you are right at the end he is only a “bloody” politician. We were trying to make him a leader but he wants to be just a politician, Gutless, Spineless, Brainless!!!
chalo mitti pao video dekho the one i posted maza na aaey paisey wapis lol
@Taukeer
And the rant goes on, and why not………………..
I have all along been speaking about “on paper” and “in reality”. On paper it can be done on certain issues and on reality it’s an impossible task to work with MQM. Go back and read!
Generally speaking it happens real life in the West that opposite ideologies find common ground. That doesn’t mean that they have completely share exactly the same view……read COMMON GROUND! Off course the right atmosphere and the right scenario must be present if two parties with opposite ideologies find common ground. One scenario could be that no party has simple majority. Then you do what? You negotiate with other parties and find common ground – just like PPP did this time with MQM and just like PML-N did in the past. On top of that they did it without if’s and but’s. They have plainly been working MQM (a terrorist entity)and is still willing to do it again (don’t tell that PML-N will not do that). Off course there is a difference between finding common ground and being “natural allies”. I gave my perception of what he could have been thinking of, but off course you and Afzaal HAD to twist it. I have been speaking about natural alliance on certain issues and not as whole. Whether IK has a perception of a possible “natural alliance” on general, then O don’t know where he found the source for that, and I haven’t given the impression of that either. It is you who twist the facts consistently. Grow up and learn to read and debate properly.
And now you tell me what would be against MQM and PTI or for that matter PML-N and MQM to find common ground. Leave aside the MQM thuggish/terrorist nature (I know in real we most probably cannot). …….It means “on paper” view!
Maybe you can call one of your contacts within the ranks of the Butt Team to discuss the matter. He will most probably inform you about the right course PML-N is following
“May be IK can’t bear the heat anymore. That is all I am disappointed about. But you are right at the end he is only a “bloody” politician. We were trying to make him a leader but he wants to be just a politician, Gutless, Spineless, Brainless!!!”
Again a typical Pakistani behaviour. I believe he will never lead this nation. We – as a nation – are satisfied with the current lot of politicians. Your hope lies in the well tested and tried Butt team…that is your decision. Go ahead. Pakistan deserves to be lead as they vote. Now Zardari’s and tomorrow Butt’s. Afzaal can off course praise Mr. trustworthy “Sheeda Tulli” and company (the long line of dictators)
Btw: I do not believe IK is not immune from fallacy. He has messed with his personal life and he has made grave political mistakes (especially supporting Musharraf), has been weak in administrating the party affairs etc., but still he is the best option (IMO) or let’s say it in your language….”the less evil person”. After all he has done more for the poor than both the Butt’s, Zardari’s and the Bhutto’s in spite of having far less resources’. That does not make a good politician, and most probably he is not a GREAT politician, but who cares. Speaking one’s mind will not carry anybody, but if you deceive and lie that will help a politician (Butt’s and Zaradaris are perfect examples). We need not necessarily a genius at the moment. A normal sensible person with a little bit of integrity and honesty can do wonders for Pakistan. Maybe IK is such a person, but not a “gutless”, “spineless” and “Brainless” person/politician…….Must have been written in a rushm, because if that is the criteria then write of the all the Bitt’s and the tullies……LOL.
OK here it goes!
I spoke to my contacts in PTI and they have issued a denial of the “portrayal” / “impression” of the statement. Now does that help! LOL
They are also issuing a rebuke to the ARY group. That is all “you” needed to do. In the end *I* had to get it done!!!!! BUT
I dint realise the Bindians capacity of self pity was even greater then ours. That has lifted my mood a bit!!!
@taukeer
I have np with politicians joining forces, JI called PPP baree burai and PML choti burai then joined hands with PML. Its politics, and ideologically they dun have huge differences with PML. And that is my point, MQM is secular, want liberal (read madar padar azad) society, wants qadiyanis and christians to be allowed to preach, wants to end tauheen-e-rasalat, on social issues are close to west how in God name they can be natural allies with PTI who I think are nationalist, moderate islamic point of view, think shariya is best but want to go unlike mullah in an enlightened way. If they think they natural allies woith mqm then they like mqm and why should we support them.
@afzal I think your comment is right on the spot. That is why I was so annoyed about his statement and then observer insists on working on the same agenda!
@Observer I am sure when you wake up you will come to the same view. BTW why do you have such a hangup on Butt! LOL Not that I have any objection, just curious!!!!
Anyway I was talking to someone and they are trying to address the situation. They are going to issue a press statement in the next few minutes.
Ofcoz minsiter it would help if u pay attention to ur ministry instead of trying to celebrate two eid – U moron.
Fighting in my absence? Not fair guys…mujhay aik SMS hi ker diya kero…Now plz can we call it quits? There is nothing wrong if IK and MQM become friends. Mark my words today, No future governments in Pakistan will be formed without MQM….period.
IK, if ever becomes part of any future government, will have to endure the torture of seeing MQM as his naturaly ally….
Thunda pani piyo aur mitti pao…saanu ki..
Mayoos Mayoosi na phellao!!!!
@taukeer
“@Observer I am sure when you wake up you will come to the same view. BTW why do you have such a hangup on Butt! LOL Not that I have any objection, just curious!!!!”
Since you address the issue something must be bothering you.
Btw: At least former natural allies got together again i.e a Ziaist and N-leaguer….perfect match
Wah wah Saqib kiya baat kahi, dil khush ker diya.
Does anyone know which party flags where used by Pakistan supporters in the match against the Indians? Is it a MQM flag?
I’d say regardless of who did it, then it’s VERY unfortunate. It’s a national event and only a Pakistani flag should be used!
Excerpts:
“On leaving I bumped into a teenager with the red, green and white and asked him, in a rush, why he had it and not a Pakistan flag. I think he thought I was accusing him and so he said both flags were one and the same thing and that his friend also had a Pakistan flag; they are and they aren’t also. This will have to be pursued.”
Link: http://blogs.cricinfo.com/tourdiaries/archives/2009/09/the_third_flag.php
and the party continues, may be IK and mqm factions can come up with a unfied party. Watch out PPP lol
CHAIRMAN PTI MEETS MQM HAQIQI DELEGATION IN LONDON – SEPT 26 2009
Chairman Pakistan Tehreek-e-insaf, Mr Imran Khan met with the overseas delegation of MQM Haqiqi party in London on Sept 26 2009/ The MQM Haqiqi delegation included Mr. Faisal and Mr. Wasif.
A tough match or an easy ride for any of these “fighters”?
Anyone who knows the strength of them in NA%% and NA123?
Very intersting move on NA 55
Why the fox?
Why not his one for the ghanje Billi brethren?
I will be backing sheikh on this one lol
Punjab govt files petition to defer bye-polls
LAHORE: Punjab government has filed petition in Lahore High Court (LHC) requesting to defer the bye-polls in the province.
Geo New reported, Khuwaja Haris and Mustafa Ramday filed petition in LHC, on behalf of Punjab government, pleading that the law and order situation is not in the favour of by-polls in Punjab and that Chief Election Commissioner (CEC) did not consult the provisional government in this regard.
LHC will hear the case tomorrow.
It may be recalled that CEC has directed to hold bye-polls on November 7th for NA-55 and NA-123 in Punjab.
backs ppp and co claim justices in PML n pocket lol
I disagree with u on LHC not hearing the case, they should hear the case and really expose the loosers. Then hopefully we will see PML – N running away from facing sheikh, if JI has any brains left they will leave sheikh seat alone, PTI count he nahi hai lol
awaaay awwaay sheeda awway, do lemme know where to send compaign contributions. lol Man PML – N need a wakeup call and cant see a better candidate then sheeda 4 that lol
@afzaalkhan
You may be badly disappointed on PTI stand.
Sheikh ki zamanat phir zabt ho jaegi.
If people keep giving votes to people like Sheikh I would be a big disgruntled Pakistani.
Once again I am not disappointed on PTI stand i dun expeect a lot from politicians. Regarding sheikh always liked him and if i could will always vote him
Monday, September 28, 2009, Shawwal-ul-Mukkarram 08, 1430 A.H
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This is a horrendous move ,a news rticle by Rauf Klasra.
Many Govts should have resigned just by leakage of a news that they are signing a multi billion dollars infamous deal with convicted criminals.
Zardari can not go worse than this.
I don’t know how dear is the PMship to our dumb and stupid PM…Technically he is the head of executive and he should be held responsible for everything Zardari does.
Zardari would simply say I have nothing to do with this.
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/sep2009-daily/28-09-2009/main2.htm
“Zardari can not go worse than this.”
Are you sure? I don’t think we have reached the bottom with Zardari yet.
Voting for Sheikh means this nation is still asleep and need worse than Zardari as curse of Allah.
Right…… Generally speaking: We have had awareness to some extent due to extensive media coverage (especially TV), but still we see a lot of people repeating the same willingness to vote for well tested (CORRUPT) politicians – and here I am not talking about Sheikh-ul-politics alone, but a big part of the other politicians too.
My prediction is that those app. 20-30 % who use their voting power will go for the same lot of politicians. That means mainly PML-N, MQM and PPP. Unfortunately the vast majority of Pakistanis has lost interest or don’t care. They have been used to the corrupt nature of society/politicians or think they are not able to anything to change the course. The only chance of renewal is if this sleeping majority use their vote to vote for sensible politicians. The question is, who can give them wake up call so they can find the way to the voting box? On top of that we have the usual suspects the “institutions”. Their influence cannot be neglected either.
Anyhow I will look forward to see who wins the seat in NA55. It’s an interesting contest.
@nota
You are wrong
Its not Nawaz vs Sheeda
Its IK vs Sheeda
Hopefully you will not call him CORRUPT.
I don’t care if Sheeda wins anywhere but if this nation vote for him against IK then this is a doom nation.
@Nota
“Well, if there is a “contest”, and a fair one (I seriously doubt it)”
Maybe the answer lies in your statement above. Maybe the “preparations” (read planning of cheating) has not been completed for clean sweep.
@nota
In terms of money gained there is no doubt that Nawaz Butt cheene wala is most corrupt, but Sheikh-ul-politics is no saint either. Most probably he was bribed in to Musharraf’s team of TURN COATS, and why should he not received other “favors” too.
@observer
prove it. Shiekh took money. Ek corruption ka case dikha do or just even allege it.
@afzaal
Why so much love for Sheikhoo? Musy’s crony, wasn’t he? He has always been the establishment’s favourite and to say that he did not make any money, is crap and a joke. He played it safe though.
Not that I endorse it but being ISI’s agent is better than being RAW or CIA’s agent.
NS will win NA-55 but I don’t understand what the real qissa is behind their wish to delay the announced date.
Sheikh is a seasoned politician and must sit in National Assembly. Aur kuch nahi tau qaum ko hunsanay k leay darbari muskhara zaroori hai.
thank u for stating that clearly.
Beside come on without sheikh wat fun in politics? Its like life without peer pagar predictions, who else can give us tarzan ki b** mera matbal hai tarzan ki tarah – lol
@jazoo
ur entitle to vote whom u like why the fatwa for someone who vote 4 somoene else. If i vote for sheikh against IK I have my reason, i think Sheikh should be in govt, IK can contest elections from mianwali will vote for him there
@nota
here is the reason for NS to delay elections.
Punjab: Opposition parties dismayed on petition to defer by-polls
ISLAMABAD: Chief of Awami Muslim League Sheikh Rashid Ahmed has described petition seeking a delay for by-elections as a conspiracy to deprive people of their right to chose.
Addressing an emergency press conference at Awami Muslim League secretariat, Sheikh Rashid appealed to the Chief Justice of Pakistan to take suo motto notice of the matter.
He said Nawaz Sahrif neither wants to be part of the present parliament nor is he ready to play a role as an effective opposition leader. “He does not want to oppose the government’s internal and external policies,” Shiekh Rashid observed.
He also termed the delaying of polls as a conspiracy against him, saying “They want to obstruct my way into the assembly.”
@nota
man u khabranama or aaj with kamran khan kay saath. Saans to lay ek waqt main ek cheez. Keery-lugar par discuss hona chahiye its most imp, beavis and butt head aka sharif bros i think sheikh alone is enuff for these morons. BTW why JI contesting from same seat? Hafiz has no other seat in lhr?
Now just change india to pakistan and story would be how Muslims using honor killings and how islam is so violent and baboons will be jumping up n down blaming Islam.
British Asians ‘outsourcing murder’
مش عایرا — ROFL
Humko sharam se doob marna chahiye hum se accha Kenya nikla. Lanaat humaree govt par.
Kenya’s diplomatic row with the U.S ends
A diplomatic time bomb was defused on Tuesday after America assured Kenya that it will observe protocol in its diplomatic engagement and communication, Foreign Affairs Minister Moses Wetangula said on Tuesday.
Wetangula who met the US ambassador Michael Ranneberger on Tuesday morning said the two agreed to avoid actions that would undermine the “friendly relations between the two nations.”
The Minister had summoned Ranneberger over warning letters the U.S issued to 15 prominent Kenyans it claims are undermining the reform agenda.
“Our discussions were very productive and Ambassador Ranneberger knows and understands – if he didn’t – the need to follow protocol,” he said falling short of saying that Ranneberger apologised for announcing that letters warning of possible travel bans had been sent to 15 government officials through the media and bypassing government structures.
“We did agree there is no room for megaphone diplomacy but diplomacy that is mutual in nature and the channels of correspondence between governments are better used,” he added.
Wetangula said Ranneberger gave him a copy of the list of those who received the said letters but indicated he would not make the names public.
“I promised him (Ranneberger) that I would not make them public. Those who received can come out and declare,” he said.
The Minister summoned Mr Ranneberger on Monday to seek an explanation about what Kenya said was a breach of diplomatic protocol after the US issued letters to the 15 individuals instead of communicating directly with the government.
Ranneberger revealed details of the letters last Thursday while Wetangula was away on official duty in the US. The Minister was infuriated by the letters signed by the Assistant Secretary of State Johnnie Carson and termed them ‘an act of intimidation.’ He also warned that Kenya could use diplomatic options available “to curtail Ranneberger’s habitual breach of protocol.”
The summons to the envoy followed an official protest letter sent to Washington by President Mwai Kibaki on Saturday over the same issue. In his letter, the Head of State said the action by the US Government official was considered ‘out of step with international protocols in the conduct of relations between friendly nations.’
LOL – Abay aisey nahi hansna chahiye India were very unlucky kal humarey saath bhi yeh ho sakta hai.