Latest News & Members Input – November, 2009
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BBC: Abdullah pulls out of Afghan vote
ARY: Rawalpindi attack death toll rises to 34
RAWALPINDI: At least 34 persons were killed and 32 were injured in a suicide attack near Shalimar Hotel in Saddar area of Rawalpindi on Monday.
Several security men and children and women were killed in the attack at 10:39 am today, when a motorbike rider blew him up outside a bank branch where people were queued to draw salaries.
After the attack emergency declared at all hospitals of Rawalpindi, as the dead and injured were transferred to the District Headquarters Hospital, Heart International Hospital, Benazir Bhutto Shaheed Hospital and other major medical facilities of the city.
According to hospital sources some injured were in critical condition. Eight dead bodies out of the 13 brought at District Headquarters Hospital have been identified.
Security forces cordoned off the area after the attack. Three eyewitnesses have also been transferred to some undisclosed place to get information.
All private and government schools at the Mall Road were closed after the incident.
Local administration has closed schools in Rawalpindi after the suicide attack.
President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani has condemned the attack.
Chief Minister of Punjab Shahbaz Sharif has ordered investigation of the blast.
Amazing
MQM ask Zardari to resign on NRO
Zardari must sacrifice to protect system
And the Chaudhries of Gujrat too just had a press conference stating very strongly PML-Q would fight and vote against it…
(And let’s see which way Fazlu turns again. After having come out in NRO’s support, he now says ‘party shura’ will decide ;-P)
Exactly what is going on — I mean in the background? Here are te news updates from The News at this hour:
MQM, disconcerted FATA members to oppose NRO Updated at: 1730 PST
Security forces capture key Taliban town: ISPR Updated at: 1700 PST
Karzai declared winner of Afghan election Updated at: 1630 PST
Britain, Russia urge swift Iran answer on nuclear plan Updated at: 1600 PST
NRO will be opposed in parliament, says Nawaz Updated at: 1540 PST
Genera Kayani calls on PM Gilani Updated at: 1535 PST
Altaf advises President Zardari to resign Updated at: 1520 PST
I mean, Chooran ka bayta kuch deekh ker hi girta hay. Also, Kiyani/Gillani meeting was about “National political situation”. Also note, for once Nawaz finally made a clear statement on it. In the PML-Q press conference the way Farooq Leghari was hollering was also unusual and made me go “Hmmmmm! Something is up!!!”
I was quite worried till yesterday but the whole scenario seems to have switched today and there is alot of activity that shows that there is something afoot!
But as they say KUTEY KI DUM and that is the problem PPP/ZPP have. They extricate themselves from one crisis and invite another one. Thanks to the public and a compliant opposition they got out of the Judiciary hole and now they dug a NRO hole.
COOR CHORI SEY JAYEI HERA PHERI SEY NA JAYI!!!
Strong statement from MQM must be prompted by Establishment.
Recently Haqiqi uprising in Karachi is settled probably a new understanding between agencies and MQM is reached and this is a form of payback.
This is good thing establishment has turned against Zardari…which may lead to another good thing the cost of American patronage.
Tonite Zardari has invited all the coalition leaders on diner including MQM…lets see what they announce tomorrow.
After todays strong statement its hard for them to abstain from vote on NRO.
“This is good thing establishment has turned against Zardari…which may lead to another good thing the cost of American patronage.”
Could not agree more. For once the establishment is on the same page as the public.
Source of MQM news is shahid masood. I will wait till some MQM guy confirms it.
its all over the media.
Haider Abbas Rizvi said we will not abstain but stand against NRO.
BBC: Karzai declared elected president
MQM zindabad – Pak media aur zindabad lol
http://www.jasarat.com/epaper/mmdetails.php?date=02-11-2009&file=05&category=nation
Jasarat is total BS
I live in Karachi and today I witnessed three blockade one by police and two by Rangers and police together.
Not a single one by civil clothed people.
BTW I saw Karachites or mohajir looking people being stopped not Phathan and punjabi looking people.
AfzaalKhan should be given an award for spreading all kind of hatred and BS.
U need to examine ur head. If it dun happen to u it dun mean it didn’t happen. I just posted news. U have issue take it with fucking Jasarat.
BTW am urdu speaking, khalis dilli wala. My cousins who live in karachi told me same thing that has been reported in Jasarat. And they also urdu speaking.
So get ur head out of ur ass and talk abt news instead of talking abt poster.
Mr.You are extremely negative person.
You may be a Dilliwala but unfortunately you are typical Jamati.
We use to call them.
Mentaly cheap
Physically weak
Thoroughly exhaust
Totally abnormal.
and u need a brain. When u get one lemme know so we can talk. All u do is sit here and try to find hidden meaning behind words. Oh this sentence defintly will mean that person who posted it is jamati, this news posted must mean that this person is trying to make shia sunni phadda. Dude how abt getting some sense and trying to realize different ppl will have different pespective which surprise surprise might not be the one u like. Instead of freaking out and calling ppl name try to counter that with arguments. An’t noone is perfect and an’t no one is 100% honest. Only ALLAH sWT is perfect, and the best human ever was Prophet PBUH, everyone else is gonna make mistakes and everyone else can be wrong. U have problem with news then i suggest u do the see no evil, here no evil, say no evil, qissa khatam.
And this is the last time am gonna try to reason with u call me names again and will hear aisi ke tabiyaat saaf ho jaey gee.
This is your perspective about yourself that you have all the brain and logic…Chances are other people find you extremely stupid and negative so do not get carried away by your self praising and loathing others and calling people shithead when you yourself could be be a shithead.
You talk about Allah and Prophet(SAW).
Lets keep in mind we muslims are taught to have Husn-e-Zan…if you truly are a good muslim and pay heeds to Prophetic teachings.
At this very moment its necessary I point out where you were negative and lacks the husn-e-zan.
I strongly believe Altaf(whom I used to say Altaf Kalia) did a good job by standing against NRO…we must appreciate his good move instead at this very moment you brought up hate propaganda against MQM by false news of Jasarat.
I never say you owned what Jasarat says but your negative sickness was evident to promote hatred against MQM at this very moment when Islamic Husn-e-zan was expected from someone who is ready to quote Allah and Prophet(saw).
Altaf probably stood up against NRO for his personal reasons or party strategy but unless I know for sure I will call his stand principal stand and that is Husn-e-zan….or I will not quoteAllah and Prophet(saw) in my posts unless I am not ready to follow them.
Husn-e-zan par lecture dainey se pehley try to understand that husn-e-zan is from mulsim to muslim to muslim. I dun cosider Altaf Kaliya Muslim.
Jis nay asbiyat par jaan di voh hum main se nahi — Hadith.
So dun lecture me abt Islam aur husn-e-zun. Thats my view abt him and u dun have to agree with it. I find MQM the biggest threat to Pakistan, one party whose cancer has destroyed the whole country and I have my reasons to believe so. U dun have to agree with that. U want to believe kaliya stood up against NRO good 4 u. Thats not wat my information is, my info is that PPP wasn’t able to deliever 2 thier demands and thus NRO opposition plus public mood. So u go and defend them as is ur right, and will oppose them as is my right. I dun care u like mqm or not. As the forum stated policy says clearly this is neutral forum u can belong to any party, the forum dun care. Its abt u calling names, as it says at the top of this very page “Please be civil and debate the issues instead of each other. Please don’t swear or be abusive to each others.”
So once again stick to issues and dun discuss each other, u have a problem, disagreement with my views, talk abt that instead of discussing my IQ, my background or my real agenda.
Quote
“Jis nay asbiyat par jaan di voh hum main se nahi — Hadith.”
What a joke
I do not know many people like yourself who mock their own intelligence.
Declaring someone non muslim needs guts of Satan.
I welcome MQM’s position but
a. I wont hold my breath and
b. I have a fist full of salt!!!
Afzaal Khan my apologies if you found my comments insulting.
Though I found ur comments very insulting.
May Allah guide us in right direction.
Ameen sum ameen.
tum dono zardari ki tarha pagal ho chukay ho, non-issues per time waste kertey ho….lets celebrate Zardari’s inevitable tabahi….oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah……
“tum dono zardari ki tarha pagal ho chukay ho, non-issues per time waste kertey ho”
LOL I agree. If you were to make me choose one of you I wont be able to because I appreciate both you guys passion for Pakistan and for me that is the bottom line.
Anyway I am sure we will keep the focus on issues in the future.
Italy Convicts 23 Americans In CIA Terrorist Kidnapping Case
Admin, This should go as headline on SD. Its a big news.Pakistanis should have some shame after reading this.
CBC: Afghan villagers say air strike kills 9 civilians but authorities say only Taliban killed
KANDAHAR, Afghanistan – Villagers in southern Afghanistan say an overnight air strike by international forces has killed nine civilians, including at least three children. But Afghan authorities said they had no reports of civilian deaths.
Helmand province government spokesman Daoud Ahmadi confirmed an air strike in the village of Korkhashien, just south of the provincial capital of Lashkar Gah, but said that eight Taliban militants were killed while hiding out in a compound.
The villagers drove the bodies to the governor’s office in Lashkar Gah, and AP Television News footage shows some children among the dead.
Villager Abdul Rashin said the people were killed while harvesting out in their fields. NATO forces did not immediately have a comment.
I guess he will be happy only with Doogar. Tell him to go screw himself.
Geo: Latif Khosa dissatisfied with Justice Ramday
ISLAMABAD: Former Attorney General Sardar Latif Khosa filed a petition at Supreme Court (SC) for the exclusion of Justice Khalilur Rehman Ramday from the bench constituted to hear the corruption case filed against him (Khosa), Geo News reported Thursday.
The petitioner Sardar Latif Khosa said in his plea that Justice Khalil is biased, as he passed antagonistic remarks during the hearing of a case relating Benazir Bhutto.
Latif Khosa also attached with the petition a resolution of Lahore High Court Bar passed in 1998 against Justice Khalilur Rehman Ramday.
It should be mentioned that corruption case against Latif Khosa is scheduled to be held tomorrow with a five-strong bench headed by Justice Khalilur Rehman Ramday.
Earlier, Chief Justice of Pakistan Justice Iftikhar Muhammed Chaudhry also separated from a bench hearing the same case.
I hope the petition is rejected and the Ganja Papi is strung up from a lamp post. BTW the other person I would like to see hanging with him is Mardan Raja (A few choice words follow here!)
Justice Ghulam Rabani heard the Dogar petition in his chamber, which was returned by Registrar office with objections.
Its not clear if Justice Rabani heard Naeem Bukhari in his chamber with consent of CJ…if not then theres a new phadda which will only help Zardari.
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/nov2009-daily/05-11-2009/u10465.htm
Snake Aitzaz meets snake Zardari
The subjects discussed are ‘secret’
@nota
Khadim-e-ala too bz taking care of his own mills lolz
ooey hoey maza agayaa kia maara hai aus nay, sachin apney record he banata rahey lolz
I think AA advised him(zardari snake) to get rid of those who benefitted from NRO. This will mean Fehmida Mirza, goes home and of course her hubby sindhi dakoo zulfikar mirza. Almost everyone sitting in the presidency and our very own dheet-e-azam Rehman Malik. Husain Haqqani claimed that he wasnt NRO beneficiary, I think he was, remember the day he and Rehman dakait went to the NAB office to destroy their corruption files? I would be shocked if there is no back-up thoug I very much doubt it.
Aitzaz is a very sharp player, he knows when and how to play his cards. He is promised a bigger position so he will wait, I reckon.
Man just make AQ Khan President. Qissa Khatam. AH as Governer Punjab is trouble for PML – N lolz
BBC: Deadly shootings at US army base
CNN: Officials: Fort Hood shootings suspect alive; 12 dead
Back lash I guess. This is what happens when suppression becomes unbearable.
I believe the world media aka Jewish media, will highlight this incidence forever now, what they fail to show the victims of drones, pregnant women and babies killed without discrimination.
does this means USA abt to be overwhelmed by Al-Qaeda how abt US nukes are they save lolz
hhaha I also noticed the divine word “imminent’.
Meera ki ENGLISH – ROFL
Reminds me of Wasi Zafar…ahahahahahaha
Should go as a breaking news.
Don’t know what Aitzaz Ahsan is upto. As someone said he is a very smart operator. It is unlikely that he will become part of the government unless he knows that the setup is going to last. In fact I will use this as a measure of the life span of Zardari Govt.
Looks like the snake’s choices are clear. I am sure he will choose to stay in Presidency without Mushy’s powers but then knowing their endless desire for committing Harakiri I can’t be absolutely sure they will manage to scrape through five years.
@nota
Ramday to consider withdrawing from Khosa case
SC falling in his trap. He can keep accusing judges he think will be fair and harsh on him. Next when he gets panel he wants then he will see how the mood of SC is, if still not in favor he will do “tareekh” khail. Justice Ramday Should say ur objection is noted, the case in front of this bench no media comments and lets get on, after evidence comes in Bench will decide. He can hue and cry as much as he wants and slap him with contempt of court for any more outbursts.
@ nota
wat were the grave reasons? From what i have read in newspaper it shows Khuwaja Asif as a courteous gentleman. Which is very hard for me believe but again going on the news reports his apology makes him look like a saint, who just cuz saw fairer sex in distress used the time honored shafiq-ur-rehman’s shaitaan line
I apologize.
girl: why? Its not ur fault.
Shaitaan: Im male, so it must be my fault
Honored Shafiqur Rehman could not be less sexually charged than Minto…When u see a lady the only thing comes in mind not other than sex.
If Photos can tell I would say Miss Warraich is a lady.
I don’t think apologies of Khawaja Asif were sexually charged….he was not seeking repeated apologies from Kashmala Tariq.
Shafiqur Rehman must have said his lines on some very sickening situation…does not apply here.
what shafiq-ur-rehman line has to do with sex? I am really confused, the line i quoted was from roofi and shaitaan during a cricket match. I suggest u read shafiq-ur-rehman. Minto was not sexually charged his novels are not for sex. And I dun mention anything toward sex. So I have no idea wat u talking abt.
I don’t know what was synonymous with fictional Shaitan in Shafiqur Rehman quote and real Khawaja Asif.
When character of fictional Shaitan says I am male..its my fault.
When Shaitan is male or this particular male is fictional Shaitan against a girl…what else the fault could be other than sex.
Actually theres nothing wrong with Shafiqur Rehman quote but implication of that quote on Khawaja Asif situation were sinister.
Do plz read Shafiq-ur-rehman, thats the name of character shaitaan. Any do try husn-e-zun that u preached me
So Much for change we can Believe
Rendition revisited
A classic from Ibn-e-Insha and the greatest talent that is Zia Muhiyuddin
@nota
That I think another quality of sher…to avoid a mess in a situation where ladies are involved…He apologized again fine if he had to do it agains he should do it….it make him more manly.
Panic sets in as soon as they see Talibaan, instead of fighting they hunker down and call airstrikes like cowards. lol
Geo: 7 Afghan security forces killed in NATO air strike
Seven members of the Afghan security forces were killed in a NATO air strike that also injured international forces in remote western Afghanistan, the Afghan defence ministry said on Saturday.
The Afghan statement comes as NATO’s International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) said it was investigating an incident in Badghis province Friday in which more than 25 international and Afghan forces were wounded.
Five of the 25 wounded were US soldiers injured in what a Western military official, speaking anonymously, said was friendly fire.
However, ISAF spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Todd Vician, of the US Air Force, told a foreign news agency: “We have nothing to confirm friendly fire.”
“No ISAF members were killed,” he said, confirming only that five ISAF soldiers injured in the Badghis incident were Americans.
Investigations into the incident were ongoing and no further details were available, Vician said.
Afghan defence ministry spokesman Mohammad Zahir Azimi said that the seven Afghan soldiers were killed in the same incident, in Badghis’s Bala Murghab district, in which the Americans were injured.
“It was erroneous air strike which caused casualties to friendly forces,” he said.
“We can confirm that four Afghan army soldiers and three police were martyred,” he said.
An earlier statement from the ministry said: “The commando brigade informs us that foreign forces also sustained some casualties.”
The incident is believed to have taken place during a clash involving ISAF and Afghan soldiers searching for two paratroopers from the 82nd Airborne Division who went missing Wednesday during a routine supply mission.
Local police said a party looking for the two missing soldiers clashed with Taliban and that alliance aircraft were called in to provide support.
The defence ministry made no reference to a clash between the joint forces and Taliban militants.
Police said the casualties occurred when the air strike mistakenly targeted international troops.
This story is more complex then they would want us to believe. Fortunately this is not 9/11 and the Major Hasan story wont wash this time around.
“One of two police officers who confronted the alleged Fort Hood killer says he shot Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan before kicking the man’s weapon away”
I can guarantee if Maj Hasan was on killing spree no one dare come near him to shot him and kicking his weapon away.
In such a rampant mass killing…its not possible to subdue the killer without killing him at long range….and these cowards are known for pilotless drone attacks.
John and Smith probably are the killers who were subdued after killing them.
thats my qts, since american base gets attack and the suicide rate is getting higher with each passing day in US Army, are American nukes safe :p
Dheet! That will be sorted in a day or two. I can see Mr Kochwan Malik doing the rounds of ISI safe houses!!!! Neighbors beware! If you hear someone screaming in “engreezi” it is our poor little SOB.
misisng zardari masterstroke posted in headloine post do read
Those in position of responsibility have taken a few corrective steps. Pak Nukes are safe but we need to continue our vigilance.
BTW I am trying to understand MQM position. Normally they would have used the current situation to extort more concessions from the Govt. I think the “establishment” have them by the “ba***” and they (MQM) are having to do the dance they are doing! Not that I have any sympathy / regret.
headline posst check karo answer mil jaey ga lolz
i am happy because they have played a wonderful role in bringing him down. I adore them, it wouldn’t have been possible so soon, without them. Thank you cronies.
This is the top news AP found in Pakistan
Pakistan models defy Taliban with 1st fashion week
Delicious Digg Facebook Fark Newsvine Reddit StumbleUpon Technorati Twitter Yahoo! Bookmarks Print Reuters – A model takes to the catwalk with a creation by Pakistani designer Zahid Khan labeled Kuki Concepts during …
Associated Press Writer Chris Brummitt, Associated Press Writer
KARACHI, Pakistan – Some women strode the catwalk in vicious spiked bracelets and body armor. Others had their heads covered, burqa-style, but with shoulders — and tattoos — exposed. Male models wore long, Islamic robes as well as shorts and sequined T-shirts.
As surging militant violence grabs headlines around the world, Pakistan’s top designers and models are taking part in the country’s first-ever fashion week. While the mix of couture and ready-to-wear fashions would not have been out of place in Milan or New York, many designers made reference to the turmoil, reflecting the contradictions and tensions coursing through this society.
The four-day event, which was postponed twice due to security fears and amid unease at hosting such a gathering during an army offensive in the northwest, is aimed at showing the world there is more to Pakistan than violence and at helping boost an industry that employs hundreds of thousands of people, organizers said.
Many of the models, designers and well-heeled fashionistas packing out each night said the gathering was a symbolic blow to the Taliban and their vision of society, where women are largely confined to the house and must wear a sack-like covering known as a burqa.
“This is our gesture of defiance to the Taliban,” said Ayesha Tammy Haq, the CEO of Fashion Pakistan Week. “There is a terrible problem of militancy and political upheaval … but that doesn’t mean that the country shuts down. That doesn’t mean that business comes to a halt.”
The shows are taking place in Karachi, the country’s largest and most cosmopolitan city, in a five-star hotel just next door to the American consulate, which was bombed by Islamist militants in 2002. It’s two hours by plane from the northwest, the heartland of al-Qaida and the Taliban, and has largely been spared the violence sweeping the country over the last month.
“Unfortunately, it is the bad side of Pakistan that gets everybody’s attention,” said top Pakistani model Nadia Hussain as hairdressers and makeup artists fussed over her backstage. “It has never been this bad, I don’t know what will happen,” she said, as fellow models chain-smoked cigarettes.
While many of the city’s 12 million people live in slums, hip cafes and restaurants in wealthy neighborhoods draw sophisticated crowds of young men and women into the early hours, more often than not speaking English with each other and wearing Western dress.
While the shows in Karachi resembled fashion weeks in other parts of the world, there were no foreign designers or buyers. The organizers decided not to invite them given the precarious security situation.
“Who is going to come here with such negative stuff going on?” said Tabassum Mughal, a young designer who employs about 30 people. “Those who are here already are leaving.”
Textiles make up some 60 percent of Pakistan exports and are worth around $12 billion dollars a year. The country’s cotton and silks are among the finest in the world. But the industry has failed to grow in recent years amid political unrest, violence and chronic power shortages.
As if on cue, a power cut during the fashion week’s opening evening left the hall in darkness for several minutes.
The fashion industry represents a tiny fraction of the country’s textile exports.
“We are still doing the 30 dollar a dozen T-shirt business. There is no value added,” said Haq. “We should be employing millions of people, not hundreds of thousands of them.”
Designers presented a mix of clothes, some drawing on traditional Pakistani outfits and tribal motifs, others that had little or no sign of traditional aesthetics. In a culture where nearly all women dress modestly, many outfits were too racy for local tastes.
“This does not represent what we are as a people,” designer Ayesha Tahir Masood said. “Only 0.001 percent of Pakistani women would wear these clothes, and then only in a controlled environment when drunk out of their minds.”
60% of Pak exports are textile, so u can imagine why fashion show
*yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwns*
BTW do u dream abt me too :p
Anyone following this? Wonder if ISI head was there cuz of that.
Saudis ‘push back Yemen rebels’
Saudi Arabia says it has regained control of territory seized by Yemeni rebels in a cross-border incursion.
Saudi officials say their forces struck after Shia rebels attacked a patrol in the Asir region, killing one soldier.
Three more soldiers died in the fighting, officials say, but they deny rebel claims that others were captured.
The rebels, known as Houthis, say they are fighting discrimination in Yemen and accuse Saudi Arabia of supporting the Yemeni government.
BBC regional analyst Sebastian Usher says fighting between the rebels and the Yemeni government has long threatened to spill over the border.
Soldiers wounded
The demarcation of the border is not clear, our correspondent says. The mountainous area used to be part of Yemen and on the Saudi side still feels quite different from the rest of the kingdom, he adds.
The Saudis say their operation with aircraft and artillery was limited to their side of the border after rebels attacked last week.
The Saudi official news agency quoted a senior official as saying 15 soldiers were wounded and several rebels arrested.
However, rebels say Saudi forces struck deep into northern Yemen and civilians were killed. The Saudis deny the claims.
On a visit to soldiers in the Asir border area, Saudi official Prince Faisal bin Khalid bin Abdul-Aziz said his country was ready to fight off any further rebel incursion.
“Things in the Asir area are secured, with God’s will. We will deter anyone who tries to take an inch of the territory of Saudi Arabia, and God willing, we will kick them out,” he said.
Observers say Saudi Arabia has become increasingly concerned about instability in Yemen, which faces a Shia insurgency in the north, growing separatism in the south and a renewed threat from al-Qaeda.
Hey guys Imran Khan fell ill all of a sudden, being operated on small intestine. Anyone any idea what could be wrong with him?
I sincerely hope and pray for his speedy recovery.
We love you IK, you won us the world cup.
get well soon.
ameen sum ameen
Good to hear, despite my differences with him country needs him
Loved it. Mushy knows his brother too well.
Still lamenting the loss *sob* *sob*
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h0DASDoKUa4jXtrzGXcsUCkjTz9Q
awesome job by the kid. Shame on senior batsmen
Is that sob SOB!!!
NO, that SOB is onlt for Rehman Malik and Zardari types.
Two very interesting news reports from Afghanistan. Does this single wat KSA trying to achieve, Taliban and others abandon AL-Qaeda, USA led NATO allaince get a way out and national coalition govt in Afghanistan get formed?
AND
Afghan Taliban commander expresses disassociation with TTP
KABUL: Afghan Taliban commander Abdul Mannan alias Mullah Toor has expressed disassociation with Tahreek-e-Taliban Pakistan(TTP) and said Afghan Taliban have no connection with outlawed Tahreek-e-Taliban.
In an interview, Mullah Toor said targeting innocent people in suicide attacks and blasts is wrong. Al Qaeda has no influence on Tahreek-e-Taliban and Afghan Taliban target only Americans and Nato forces.
nota, amreekan taliban aka zionists are doomed. Wish Nidal could manage to kill more. This seems like an attempt to ‘clean’ the US army from Muslims.
Shakal dekho churail ki tauba tauba…
Charsadda blast kills 15
CHARSADDA: At least 15 people have been killed and various others injured in a powerful blast in Charsadda area of Farroq-e-Azam Chawk, Geo News reported Tuesday.
The place is usually crowded one. The people on their own kick-started the relief activities and rushed the bodies and injured to the nearby hospital.
The blast was so power that the windowpanes of nearby buildings broke and the smoke is seen billowing from the blast site.
The state of emergency has been declared in the hospital.
According to Geo News correspondent, at least 15 bodies have been taken to the District Hospital and some injured are in critical condition.
Some injured have been rushed to the Lady Reading Hospital.
She is a chosen zionist bitch who thinks world belongs to Zionism.
Dr. Phil and Army Chief Casey all are psychobabbling and she alone with her zionist media is realist.
She believe no one in America understand the real danger of Islamic terorrism and ilk of Maj Hasan.
Perhaps loss of Americans lives is not her criteria to asses the gravity of situation…..she probably would call loss of 200 plus American lives by the hands of Timothy McVeigh a psychodrama need to be brushed off as an act of deranged individual and she dare not call such assesments by qualified psychiatrist a psychobabbles.
Loss of 12 Americans by the hands of an individual who has a Muslim name means alot to her than loss of 200 plus Americans by a fellow Christian and his cult.
In reality these zionists least care about the loss of American lives…to them American lives are not more than the lives of goats which could be sacrificed to serve the purpose of 2% zionists out of 6% Jewish population in America.
The loss of recent 12 American lives are more important to her than loss of 200 American lives because these 12 dead serves her purpose.
From above story
Isin’t this “Allama” Sajid Mir? This Allama dun even know that as per islamic law one can adopt a cild but can’t give them thier last name or change the father’s name of child. wow even i know that. Amazing just amazing.
Geo: US envoy to Kabul urges against new troops: report
The US envoy to Afghanistan has written memos to Washington expressing deep concern over possible deployment of thousands of new troops to the country, US media said Wednesday, citing senior US officials.
Ambassador Karl Eikenberry’s classified cables reportedly detail his strong reservations against sending reinforcements until Afghan President Hamid Karzai’s government shows it can tackle insipid corruption that has spurred the Taliban’s resurgence, The Washington Post and New York Times said.
Eikenberry’s cables also expressed worries over Karzai’s erratic behavior, according to US officials familiar with the memos, the Post said.
Eikenberry joined the policy meeting by video link from Kabul, said the Times, adding that Obama discussed his concerns with him, according to officials who requested anonymity.
The envoy also voiced concern that sending tens of thousands of additional troops to the war-wracked country would boost Afghanistan’s reliance on US security forces as the Obama administration calls on Kabul to take over more responsibility in the conflict.
Eikenberry’s views are in stark contrast to top US and NATO commander General Stanley McChrystal who warned that without tens of thousands more US troops in the next 12 months, the Afghan mission “will likely result in failure.”
Four options were on the table at high-stakes talks in the White House situation room, which also involved McChrystal and Defense Secretary Robert Gates, after which officials reported the president had not yet made a decision.
Now I wonder why Iranian consulate needed a Public relation officer in Peshawar and that a Pakistani. Its not even borders with Iran. Hmmmzz something fishy.
ARY: Iranian Consulate official killed in Peshawar
PESHAWAR: Unknown assailants shot dead a Pakistani working as the director of public relations at the Iranian Consulate here Thursday morning, reported ARY NEWS.
Syed Abul Hassan Jafferi, Director Public Relations, was attacked by unknown gunmen near his home in Gulberg area of the metropolis. He was critically wounded in the attack and was rushed to a nearby military hospital where he succumbed to the injuries.
Chief Minister NWFP Amir Haider Khan Hoti while condemning Jafferi’s murder has ordered the Peshawar Police to investigate into the killing.
Afzaal what fishy do you smell? Instead of condemning the loss, you are trying to create a conspiracy theory of iranians in this murder too? Grow up man and ask what Blackwater are doing in Peshawar.
Qts should 1st be asked why Iranian need consulate in the Peshawar. As i said something is fishy meaning it wasn’t a random killing. Since its not random killing and the guy was targetted then we have 2 know why? No? Or is it not common sense? Or we can go on and assume it was randdom killing, in that case oh well God bless his soul and everyone just go back to work. But i seriously doubt it was a random killing and hence my statement something is fishy. Hope this clarifies.
Oh BTW try reading comments on presstv.ir from iranians and see how much they love us
aur yeh ilhaam tha ya wahi hadrath? LOL u dun know me froim adam, but fatwa hazir hai. *shakes his head*.
The hypocriccy is appalling, if it was india or usa u will be jumping up and down. But just like jews, anyone who legitmately criticize or qts them must be anti-semiti, so anyone qts or show concern abt Iran must be anti-shia. Carry on
while ur at it do find some more words u can put anti to
. when u ahve a list contact me. :p
and he is also aware of my wahabi phobia…hehehe…kiya kerey aadat sey majboor.
Topi ki siyasat
I hear Karzai’s skin was saved Team Pakistan. Apparently the Americans were told to get over their love for Mr Abdullah Abdullah and work with Karzai hence the series of somersaults culminating in Karzai’s legitimisation!
The only problem I see is that Taliban will not accept him. We need to work with the Americans to find a face saving exit strategy from Afghanistan. That will be in our best national interest and will help clear the Indian and Israeli bases in Afghanistan.
@taukeer
It would have been a nightmare for Pak to have abdullah on top, as it is the Aghan Secret Service Khad head is totally in indian pocket. ex taliban FM Wakeel Ahmed Mutawakkal hinted at the coming compromise, where Talibaan will get the pwoer, provided USA leaves and in return no Al-Qaeda heavens in Afghan etc etc. Saudi been trying to cut that deal for long and all informal talks been held between US and Talibaan in KSA.
Ofcoz Ind, Israel wont want that at any cost and Dun think China, Russia or Iran would like to see that either. None of these guys want Talibaan in power. So USA kinda stuck.
Finally! Taukeer where did you disappear?
The usual excuse! Will try to be here regularly
That is the 1st sensible thing Ganja has done in long time.
Aaj TV: Nawaz asks govt to withdraw army from Balochistan
ISLAMABAD : Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) Chief Mian Nawaz Sharif has asked the government to withdraw army from Balochistan and present evidences of Indian involvement in the province to the world, Aaj News reported on Thursday.
He was addressing a press conference after holding meeting with Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani at the PM House here.
Nawaz Sharif assured the government of unconditional support over Balochistan issue. He said that the government should also ensure restoration of political process in Balochistan besides taking the military leadership into confidence.
PML-N Chief was of view to bring the Balochistan package in media for discussion. Baloch people are patriotic and can render any kind of sacrifice for the country, he added.
Nawaz Sharif further said that he is in contact with Baloch leaders, adding he had also met with Sardar Akhtar Mengal in Dubai.
Regarding 17th Amendment, Nawaz said that government itself would benefit from repealing the 17th Amendment.
PML-N chief further said that President Asif Ali Zardari had telephoned him and extended his desire for another meeting.
And guess the main source of the story! None other then Mr Kochwan Malik at the behest of Mr Snake.
As I predicted Mr P will find another hole to fall into in the near future. Looks like the NRO “ka bukhar abhi utra nahi”.
I knowwwwww. I read it early morning aur meri neend urr gaye…followed by peshawar blast around 6.45. My God this bastard Zardari is depending on Zalmay and Haqqani to save his skin. Zalmay will get some spanking from D.C. if this news becomes big in Pakistan.
Zalmay Haramzad is a bitch…..BTW I know the secret of Haqqani’s twist.lol.
You might let us into the secret?
ARY: Peshawar attack death toll rises to 10
The death toll in suicide attack at offices of an intelligence agency at Khyber Road in Peshawar reached to 10, while more than 30 have been injured including six in critical condition.
A suicide bomber Friday morning at 6:30 am rammed an explosives laden vehicle with a building at Khyber Road having offices of an intelligence agency. A portion of the building was collapsed in the explosion.
The sound of the huge blast was heard at the distance of 40 to 50 kilometers from the place of the incident. The windowpanes of houses and vehicles were shattered with the impact of the blast.
The injured have been transferred to the city’s Lady Reading Hospital and Combined Military Hospital. Six injured said to be in a critical state. Eleven injured security men have been shifted to CMH from Lady Reading Hospital.
ohoooo and we cry over our media lolz.
HuffPo: Media Fail: Kimberly Munley Did Not Bring Down Fort Hood Killer
With the publication of an interview with Sgt. Mark Todd, the actual cop who gunned down the killer at Fort Hood — following its account of an unnamed eyewitness last night — the New York Times finally underlined what some of us noticed from nearly the start: the media fell hook, line and sinker once again for a military account of what happened during the tragedy.
First, it was the “death” of Major Hasan, not corrected for many hours. Then, for days, the story of how a female cop brought down the shooter, even as she was receiving serious wounds. Yet I noticed just hours after the attack that scattered eyewitnesses, via the Web and Twitter, were saying that the killer re-loaded after Kimberly Munley went down.
How could he have done that if she had just plugged him four times, supposedly ending the rampage? Some of those witnesses said they yelled at the second cop to shoot Hasan–which he did, and then went up and kicked his gun away. Yet for days the media rarely questioned the military’s “official” story of Munley as savior. The New York Times was one of many who put Munley on the front page and declared, on Nov. 7, that she was the person who nailed Hasan. Its headline: “She ran to gunfire, and ended it.” It said flatly that she “brought down the gunman.”
The Associated Press talked to Sgt. Todd later that day and he described his actions, but Munley’s role remained murky. To its credit: The Times much later did help bring out the truth.
Most news outlets for days labeled Munley “the” (singular) Fort Hood hero. She was the “Mighty Mouse.” It wasn’t until two days ago that Sgt.Todd got feature billing, although in a secondary role. Now, in the past day, he is finally getting his due as the original account begins to fall away. The cop most responsible for saving the day, it turns out, is a black man, not a white woman.
What else will turn out false about Fort Hood claims from military, e.g. the “Allahu Akbar” shouts by Hasan? Was there any reason that the military deliberately boosted Munley and slighted Todd?
Yes, Munley is a hero for facing the bullets. And, no, this isn’t another Jessica Lynch case, but it does have some disturbing similarities. Fool me once this past week, blame the military. Fool me twice, blame the media. What happens next?
Hon. PM YRG world 38th powerful person – baqool ghalib
hairaan hoon ru’oon dil ko, ke peeToon jigar ko main
http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/11/worlds-most-powerful-leadership-power-09-people_land.html
LOL
May be an Africa and South America like SAP programme may be in the making. SAP (Structural Adjustment Programme) really Sapped the life blood of the African and South American economy. A complete break with IMF is essential for economic progress.
Is anyone really surprised at the intellectual capacity of an economist anyway. All one has to do is look arround and see who becomes an “economist” in their right mind!
No thanks to Nawaz for breaking the story. Surprisingly it is French press that let the cat out.
Talat column blast open the so called Baluchistan Package .
http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/PoPupwindow.aspx?newsID=1100769560&Issue=NP_LHE&Date=20091114
PMLN doing huge damage to it’s standing. Unfortunately yet again “Major” political parties in Pakistan dont have a mechanism for replacing “Leaders” with a proven track record of (at best) political misjudgments. Nawaz can go and meet Zardari but it will cost him yet more in credibility capital. But then who cares. He is “irreplaceable”!
These shenanigans are making MQM thugs look good!
HuffPo: Army Says Morale Has Fallen Among Troops In Afghanistan
Where is the freaking defence minister, not to mention the coward PM and Prez.
Geo: Army Chief visits South Waziristan
Chief of Army Staff (COAS), General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani visited Ladha and Sararogha in South Waziristan to meet the field commanders and troops committed in the Operation Rah-e-Nijat.
During the visit, he appreciated the morale and spirit of the troops. He also lauded the swift and successful conduct of Operations.
COAS also met the displaced persons in Dera Ismail Khan Camp and appreciated their support which was crucial to evict the terrorists. He informed them that on successful completion of the initial phase of the military operations, Army will soon create necessary conditions for safe return of all displaced persons. He stated that Army will be undertaking development projects for the social uplift of the area.
Earlier on arrival in the area, the COAS was received by the Corps Commander, Lieutenant General Muhammad Masood Aslam.
MQM aisi sabz qadam hai G&B pohonchi fooram election main phaddey and firing lol
Change u can believe in – Messiah exposed again
ARY: Gates blocks release of detainee abuse photos
A slut defends her pimp. Dono ko aik doosray ki zaroorat hai for rozi roti.
Ms. Sharmila Faruqi’s vehement defence of Mr. Zardari amused me no end. In her “Mr. President we stand by you” she offers nothing concrete except the sycohantic babble of an airbrain. I particularly find her amusing because after reading her charming piece of writing, I began to research and found no trace of this Lewinsky while Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto held the reigns of PPP. So is it just the Mr. that she stands by?
Will the real PPP please stand up?
Sameer Aziz
Karachi
Exactly Sameer.
As I already said, ZPP is all about pimps and sluts.
“According to Sharmila Farooqi, the daughter of another beneficiary, Usman Farooqi, her father would face the cases if re-opened and would not go into exile. Farooqi’s wealth worth millions, frozen in a NAB locker, was returned to the family after the cases were withdrawn.”
Should we refer to the history. Did they hang around last time to face the music.
The News did a disservice to itself by publishing Ms BeSharam’s piece. Apart from factual errors it had editorial mistakes, KLB vs KLA for instance.
BTW nota I am sure you mean Lewinsky “Act”!!!!!!
Believe you me, ms.intihai be-sharmila farooqi was known for ‘Lewinsky skills’ in her younger days, even Saif-ur-rehman said this in private that she openly offered him her ‘hot’time. She is disgusting, sleeps with zardari, pir mazhar, zulfikar mirza.
she can sleep with whoever she wants, but how can such women be on govt. payroll? We’re actually paying for her since we pay taxes. and can someone please tell the News that such a piece will only damage its credibility? I wonder who she slept with there to get it published! If she is such a PPP loyal then why didn’t Benazir Bhutto give her a PPP ticket? That’s my question. Will someone answer please?
Yes I can Sameer, because Benazir didn’t think she was loyal…..
which of course she isn’t. In defending zardari, she’s actually defending her NRO advantaged father who got his millions back after the NRO. she’s a crook in the company of other crooks. what is going to happen to Pakistan when people like be-sharmila are in office?
Sharmy darling’s gold, prize bonds, cash and diamonds are already in a secure place and the new ones have been sent there too.Karachi ki be-sharam beti..my foot…bitch.
Dumb woman! writes a metric level essay and gets it printed in the News, thinking she can impress the people of Pakistan! Well we know her well and remember her escapades, past and present! Defending a man who is robbing us blind because she too is doing the same, and so did her father. Such people are a disgrace to Shaheed Mohatarma’s memory. Shame on the PPP today that accepts people like Sharmila in its ranks. I agree with Mr. Sameer Aziz, that she was nowhere to be found when Mohtarma was around. Such women deserve to be exposed for what they really are.
Hi Samia, welcome to SD and hope you visit this forum regularly.
I was just thinking, why are we giving so much importance to a 3rd rate slut? Is she really worth it?
She isn’t, but like sameer says, we’re paying her, you and I. She’s spending our money, and looting it too.
Check out this clipping from 1996, DAWN:
KARACHI, March 3: Usman Farooqui’s wife Anisa Farooqui and daughter
Sharmila Farooqui were arrested on Tuesday morning by the FIA (State
Bank Circle) and remanded to custody for investigation until March 6.
The former PS chief’s wife and daughter were arrested in connection with
FIR No. 19/96, and given in the custody of the Ehtesab Cell by the
special judge, central II, handling cases of public servants.
The counsel for the Farooquis, Iqtidar Ali Hashmi, will be filing the
bail applications in the court of special judge, central II, on
Wednesday morning challenging the arrest of Anisa and Sharmila. APP
adds:
FIA deputy director Moazzam Jah said Anisa and Sharmeela have disclosed
that they have another locker and three bank accounts in London and UAE.
He said Anisa and Sharmeela informed the investigators that they have
valuables worth millions of rupees, cash in dollars and pound sterling
in a locker company, named Self Ridges London.
They also told the FIA that they have two joint bank accounts in London’s
Midland Bank and Barclay’s Bank in their names.
They told the FIA that a private party of Pakistan Steel had transferred
the commission to Midland Bank in London during 1996.
Mr Jah said FIA had also obtained documents relating to the payment and
deposit of kick-backs from the private party in Midland Bank London.
They also informed the FIA team that they have another bank account in
the UAE.
During the investigation and search of their house, FIA Ehtesab Cell
recovered cheque books of about 48 accounts in several local banks
including HBL, UBL, MCB, Bank of Punjab and ANZ Grindlays Bank.
He said FIA team was interrogating both the women and some more
disclosures are expected in few days about the actual worth of valuables
and cash in Self Ridges locker and three bank accounts, two of them in
London and one in the UAE.
Similarly, investigations will further reveal the value of amount in 48
bank accounts in Pakistan, he added.
Can I interrupt the Karchites “khush Gappi” about a poor little desi Lewinsky and invite you to comment on Merey Mutabiq of yesterday.
Haye haye kamini sharmi baby, I don’t find her average looking, she is a horrible brown/green chipkkali. ewwwwww.
I wish someone forwards her this website so that she also knows what is her auqaat.
“brown/green chipkkali. ewwwwww”
Can she be worse then Lewinski!
She is YUCK…A BIG FAT NO NO.
lol SURE Taukeer….lets meet in that thread.
Some big news today
Main culprit of Bank of Punjab caught in Malaysia…Now I am sure some big fish would be disclosed.
SC ask the details of missing persons extradited to other countries…Justice Iqbal vow to take this matter in days not in weeks…Court asserts there would no more committees…just produce the missing persons and their whereabout.
@nota
I followed the link and read the story by some unknown author.
Unfortunately I could not make a head n tail of that story.
If you understand please elaborate….Aitezaz was part of Haris Steel lawyers team or NOT.
@nota
I go to a length and try to read all of the links after links.
Before I say anything on this matter I must say I am least interested to defend Aitezaz…..my arugement would be academic and on the merit of the stuff you led me to read.
If I were a defence lawyer I would never accept a case unless I am sure of my client innocence but I am I and Aitezaz is not I am.
I disagree with him retaking Zardari cases and I also did not like him taking Haris Steel case…these two corrupt cases he has taken after leading year-s long lawyers movement on high moral ground.
The blog you refered is cheap and hellbent to malign Aitezaz…I am sorry to say they did not do a good job….every set of argument against Aitezaz starts with strong headings like you posted “Thief of Bank of Punjab” and many like this….followed by strong accusations but nowhere any accusation was substantiated with tangible proofs or authentic sources.
The one case of Naval Chief Mansoorul Haq was taken by him before lawyers movement imo….and nowhere Aitezaz says he is innocent of charges but he will pay back whatever he is accused of.
Perhaps the bloggers who got carried away with Aitezaz foebia did not know about plea guilty brgain….practiced and accepted all over the world.
Though I am disgusted that Aitezaz is retaking Zardari cases and he jumped in with corrupt lawyers lot of this country in Haris Steel case.
How can one be sure, pakistani police can make a convincing slam dunk case against any citizen for any crime furnished with mulzim’s aitrafee bayan and the guy can be completly innocent. So as per ur argument a lawyer shouldn’t then represent that person. WOW. every accused has a right of counsel who can defend him/he vigorously irregardless of their innocence or guilt. I can understand ur argument if guilty persons are getting of on some technicality yeah that I can understand, but a lawyer job is to defend his/her client. If Aitazaz represent zardari I dun see anything wrong with that after all he is just a client, AA dun have to agree with his alleged crimes or his philosophy.
Or is it wat shakespeare said “1st thing we should so is kill all lawyers”
IMO a guilt of personal nature is a personal fault and personal loss.
A national crime where whole nation is being robbed and guilt is substantiated with overwhelming evidences…ought to be a forbidden tree for defence lawyers of high morales.
Shakepear may noy have known…this world is a balance of good and evil…lets not earn your bread by serving the evil…there are many who would do it gladly.
But how u decide that guilt, just cuz media said so? A person should have a trial and he should be represented by best legal minds. Anyone can accuse anyone of anything. But only a court of law can decide guilt or not guilty. I deliberately used not guilty as court of law is no place to seek justice.
admin:
Few suggestions.
This site is too heavy please change the theme..that may help.
Pl also change the photo of “Bol ke lab azad hein tere”…that is sickening…we have to get a good impression when we logon to this site.
admin:
Thanks for changing the photo
@Jazoo thanks for the suggestion had been thinking of that as well.
Anyone what is the latest on Zardari’s departure?
Please use the link to read the entire 8 pages article.
@tauqeer
I dun think zardari going anywhere, I think oppo took thier best shot and missed. It has actually strengthen zardari. Some reshuffling of cabinet and some peace offer on powers of prez and all would work out. Ofcoz courtesy NS dithering
Very thoughtful article.
Diplomats told to keep quiet on torture allegations, sources say
ANP & MQM shows thier true face
wants to remove Islamic from Pakistan – Wants to change Islamic Republic of Pakistan to Republic Of Pakistan. Ayub Khan had same keera guess wat happened. lol
ANP too much into name things.
First Pukhtunkhawa now people republic of Pakistan.
I think mysterious visits of Asfandyar to USA showing their productivity.
Challenging a powerful ideology is not easy….First step should be benign and harmless like name changing to test the waters.
This coalition of evil forces like MQM and ANP coming after ideology of Islam and that is an insult to us (non Talibani) believing Muslims.
They want to make world believe either its Talibani Islam or no Islam.
Islam is way bigger than Taliban and Al-Qaida and beyond the comprehension of these sold out in dollars and corrupt politicians.
Now the “Real Agenda” is revealed! I wonder if Mr “P” will try to “appease” Altaf “Bhai” and “Bacha Khan ka Bachongra” and of-course his masters by putting forward a constitutional amendment! Might save his skin he would think I hazard to guess!
CBC: All Afghan detainees likely tortured: diplomat
Bara he baigharat Insaan hai
Watto says raids on mills caused sugar shortage
End of an Era
The News: Ghulam Mustafa Jatoi passes away
LONDON: Former caretaker prime minister Ghulam Mustafa Jatoi breathed his last here on Friday, said his family members. He was 78.
He had been suffering from a protracted illness and was under treatment in London
The deceased will be laid to rest in his ancestral town Naushero Feroze.
Ghulam Mustafa Jatoi was the chief of National People’s Party. He served as caretaker prime minister for three months in 1990 and appointed chief minister Sindh in 1973.
He joined Pakistan People’s Party in 1969 and elected as MNA in 1970.
NATION: CIA Chief Panetta meets Zardari, Gilani
Director CIA Leon Panetta called on President Asif Ali Zardari at Presidency today. CIA chief also met with Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani and Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) chief Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha. Panetta discussed the war against terrorism and other issues in his meetings with Pakistani top officials, sources said. Panetta in his meeting with the intelligence officials likely to raise the issue of the presence of Taliban Shura in Quetta, sources said.
Thats where I blame media. They dun emphasize on Xe the new name of Blackwater. Now Malik will say Xe ki baat nahi ki thee blackwater ki thee lol.
Geo:Malik ready to resign if Blackwater in Pakistan
Interior Minister Rehman Malik, strongly defying reports of being operational in Pakistan, the Blackwater, an alleged US underworld terrorist organistation, has said he was ready to step down from office if Blackwater existed anywhere in Pakistan or there are evidences of its engagements in Pakistan, Geo news reported.
This Malik boosted talking to media in Islamabad on Saturday morning after attending a high-level meeting in connection with the efforts for release of detained Pakistani Dr. Aafia Siddiqui from US custody.
Why not just emphasise operation of any private malitia. There should be a ban on operation of any “Private” mailtia. That will be all encompassing and will take care of all loop holes like private local contractors like the Zaidi Cop! etc.
Talat u beauty
http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/PoPupwindow.aspx?newsID=1100776203&Issue=NP_LHE&Date=20091121
Great analysis by Talat. Certainly a great asset for the Gairat Brigade and a great foe for the Be-gairat Brigade.
PPP may be upto old tricks of playing dirty game here.
My suspicions would be supported if by Nov 28th R Malik, H Huqqani, A Mukhtar, Salman Faruqi and some other are not fired or resigned.
PPP would compel SC to issue their arrest warrant(at least in the case of R Malik) who already is under non bailable arrest warrant.
Then PPP would not follow the prosecution as it should be according to court wishes and NAB would be slow in presenting the evidences against them.
SC will be forced to put extra efforts or I may say work as a prosecutor….that will help PPP to say this court is biased and going extra length to convict.
It also remains to be seen that Chota Butt fired Saeed Mehdi.
Few goats would be sacrificed to malign the court and save Zardari
am waiting 4 complete list preferably with wat cases, this should go in headlines. If u come across either open post or sent me the link plz.
posted man now am gonna hit the bed raat ko job bhi karni hai
Great Job guys!
Great Editorial by The Nation
Yesterday, Nov 20th was faiz’s 25th death anniversary. Alas! noone on this forum remembered. Khair ALLAH marhoom ko jannat bakhshain
jo rukey to kooh-e-giraaN thai hum, jo chaley to jaan se guzar gaey
rah-e-yaar hum nay qadam qadam, tujhey yaadgaar bana diya
((I am) mountain when I stop; (I am) beyond life when I walk
I have, (turned) every step on the path of the beloved into a memorial) – Faiz
Not really into poetry except for Iqbal’s Shikwa and Jawab e Shikwa. Kinda hear myself and it makes sense.
Don’t know faiz to comment.
Gotta read faiz He is the best combination of Ghalib and iqbal. Urdu poetry had 4 revolutions. Ghalib – Iqbal – Faiz and the ever green parveen shakir. Faiz is best we have.
The political leadership and media talks abt democracy. I have a simple qts what COAS did (and I appreciate what he has done) why no political leadership has done?
http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/PoPupwindow.aspx?newsID=1100777138&Issue=NP_LHE&Date=20091122
hey chaudry Nisar how abt ur daddy NS asasa jaat b4 we talk abt military one
http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/PoPupwindow.aspx?newsID=1100777147&Issue=NP_LHE&Date=20091122
The whole accountability culture seems to be changing and our elite better get used to it.
@taukeer
Here a classic from Faiz by great Zia Muhiyuddin. English translation below
My salutations to thy sacred streets, O beloved nation!
Where a tradition has been invented- that none shall walk with his head held high
If at all one takes a walk, a pilgrimage
One must walk, eyes lowered, the body crouched in fear
The heart in a tumultuous wrench at the sight
Of stones and bricks locked away and mongrels breathing free
In this tyranny that has many an excuse to perpetuate itself
Those crazy few that have nothing but thy name on their lips
Facing those power crazed that both prosecute and judge, wonder
To whom does one turn for defence, from whom does one expect justice?
But those whose fate it is to live through these times
Spend their days in thy mournful memories
When hope begins to dim, my heart has often conjured
Your forehead sprinkled with stars
And when my chains have glittered
I have imagined that dawn must have burst upon thy face
Thus one lives in the memories of thy dawns and dusks
Imprisoned in the shadows of the high prison walls
Thus always has the world grappled with tyranny
Neither their rituals nor our rebellion is new
Thus have we always grown flowers in fire
Neither their defeat, nor our final victory, is new!
Thus we do not blame the heavens
Nor let bitterness seed in our hearts
We are separated today, but one day shall be re- united
This separation that will not last beyond tonight, bears lightly on us
Today the power of our exalted rivals may touch the zenith
But these four days of omniscience too shall pass
Those that love thee keep, beside them
The cure of the pains of a million heart- breaks
I am known to be bey-zoak!
I support Imran Khan’s stance on NRO and prosecution of the criminals. Midterm elections are a possible solution to this bind and completely disagree with PMLN stance on this issue.
And very courageous analysis by Advocate Akram Sheikh on Merey Mutabik
I don’t know his background I was just commenting on his statement on Merey Mutabik.
This government is gone! That bit is settled. The question is what will follow?
@nota
Roti to bherhaal kamaey machandar. Yaar defending someone as a lawyer dun mean that one is as guilty as the accused. Anyway I have argued that above. Every accused has a right of counsel who should then defend them vigorously. Like I said b4 kal AA decide to defend zardari thats fine with me. AA is a lawyer and its his profession to defend ppl and u can only defend ppl who are accused. The person guilt or innocence is the job of the court. The only thing that I ask from lawyers is not to lie, cheat, subjorn perjury or use technicalities and loopholes to get off someone who hgas been proven guilty.
yeah but thats his politician side and u gotta admire that lolz. Brilliant move
I think we taking zardari too lightly, He is making NS look like a dumbo – lol. NS shoudl thanks his lucky stars that media has been exposing the hypocricy and incompetence of govt. Looking at polls and political mood. I dun think NS is that popular anymore, its more like cuz PPP doing so bad that NS numbers going up. But 31% pkaistani think media is at fauult not govt. A sobering thought won’t u say
That almost wat PPP electorate is usualy they have 33% to 37% of population behind them. So 31% denotes a majority of PPP electorate has decided to back zardari. Which make zardari the brilliant politician to pull this miracle. lol
I agree that the public anger at NS is not yet obvious. JUST you let this present issue settle. Remember he said “MAIN RASTEY MAIN AOON GAA”. He DOES NOT KNOW THE PUBLIC’S MOOD. HE BETTER KEEP A LOW PROFILE AND SHUSH. OTHERWISE PEOPLE WILL TEAR HIM APART. TARZAN KA BACHA!!!
@nota I don’t recall AA contributing to NRO drafting.
I doubt Raza Rabbani was also not the part of negotiating or formulating NRO.
I think Faruq Naik and Babr Awan are the author of this law of corruption.
Not true. AA wasn’t in the picture.
OK as long as you are alive and kicking np.
Thanks
Geo: Indian court commission indicts Atal, Advani for Babri demolition
NEW DELHI: The Justice Manmohan Singh Liberhan Commission of Inquiry of Indian court has indicted former Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee, current Leader of Opposition in the Lok Sabha L K Advani and former BJP president Murli Manohar Joshi, among others, for the demolition of the Babri Masjid on December 6, 1992, calling it a meticulously planned event, according to a news daily.
The report says that as per the evidence it gathered, which includes witness statements and official records, one of the key conclusions of the Commission is said to be that the entire build-up to the demolition was well planned. Besides, there was nothing to show that these leaders were either unaware of what was going on or innocent of any wrongdoing.
The Liberhan Commission analysed the entire sequence of events along with the facts and circumstances leading to the occurrences at Ram Janmabhoomi-Babri Masjid complex on December 6, 1992 — the day the Babri Masjid was brought down by kar sevaks
The news daily also reported that sources in the Union Home Ministry have confirmed to the news and have revealed that the report is also severely critical of many Muslim leaders representing organizations such as the Babri Masjid Action Committee and the All India Babri Masjid Action Committee.
The report was submitted on June 30 and is likely to be tabled in the current Parliament session.
Congratulations Pakistan
ARY: Gilani formally hands over JF-17 to PAF
Prime Minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani inaugurated the roll out ceremony of Pakistan-made fighter aircraft JF-17 Thunder at Kamra and formally handed over the bomber-cum-fighter plane to Pakistan Air Force, ARY NEWS reported Monday.
Pakistan formally rejoicing its joining the fighter aircraft manufacturers club today on roll out of first multi-role state-of-the art aircraft being crafted with the help of evergreen friend China.
Prime Minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani was the chief guest at the rolling out which held at the mother industry – Pakistan Aeronautical Complex – of JF-17 Thunder at Kamra.
This will kick start a new era in Pak-China relationship, and aviation industry, Gilani said, adding that PAF has played significant role in country’s defence and the war against terror as well.
Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani, Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman and Chinese ambassador were also present in the ceremony.
Both China as well as PAF attach a lot of importance to this project which is materializing after hectic and laborious efforts, spanning over almost a decade.
The PAC has generated all the capability to produce the aircraft locally for its onward delivery to PAF besides materializing purchase orders from abroad as export.
The JF-17 Thunder a new generation, light-weight, all weather, day/night multi-role fighter aircraft with glass cockpit, hands-on-throttle-and-stick (HOTAS) controls and efficient man-machine interface will ensure a minimal pilot workload.
The maximum speed of Mach 1.6 and a high thrust-to-weight ratio will enable it to perform well in an air defence role. An ability to carry short – as well as long-range air-to-air missiles, lends the aircraft a first shot capability of conventional as well as non-conventional arsenal.
In the surface attack role, a variety of weapons – conventional as well as precision-guided, a sophisticated avionics suite along with accurate weapon delivery system, ensure higher mission success rate.
An effective ECM suite will greatly enhance survivability of the platform. Its anticipated air-to-air refuelling capability will provide the JF-17 with more loiter time to safeguard the frontiers and the ability to deliver the required punch at distance. It will replace the ageing fleets of A-5s, F-7Ps and the Mirages in the PAF inventory thus fulfiling a multi-role task.
In addition to that the PAC would also be able to export its surplus production in the days to come as the aircraft has received acclaims from the user like PAF.
Geo’s program ‘Meray Mutabiq’ banned from Dubai
A ban has been imposed on airing of Geo News’ program ‘Meray Mutabiq’ from Dubai.
According to sources, the high government officials of Pakistan exerting pressure on the Dubai government had the airing of the program stopped.
Geo’s administration has said that this step of the government is tantamount to targeting the freedom of expression.
It may be mentioned here that the senior analyst Dr. Shahid Masood was the anchor of ‘Meray Mutabiq’.
@Afzal you happy now!
Incredibly stupid decision.
Geo: LHC rejects by- polls petitions
Lahore High Court (LHC) has rejected the intra court petitions requesting to organize by-polls in Punjab.
A Division Bench of LHC rejected the petition filed by President Awami Muslim League Shiekh Rasheed Ahmed and other candidates running in the by-polls on the seats of National and Punjab assemblies lying vacant in the province, endorsing the earlier-given verdict given by a single member bench of the same court, of delaying bye-election in the province.
The bench also directed the Election Commission of Pakistan to consult Punjab government on rescheduling the bye-polls in the province in the light of single bench’s verdict.
Meanwhile, Shiekh Rasheed has announced to challenge the verdict of Lahore High Court and rejection of his petition against it in Supreme Court of Pakistan.
Talking to newsmen here after the hearing, AML chief claimed that the by-polls would be held in 2010.
Wat is going on guys? Military coming?
The Nation: Islam and Pak can not be separated: COAS
Media silent except for lip service on Meray Mutabiq?
I think the hesitation Kiyani had is gone. Time for 5th intervention is here.
I implore on everyone to pull back from the brink. Just bring the 18th Amendment to repeal 17th Amendment and just give Kiyani 3 years extention. SAVE THE SYSTEM FOR GOD SAKE.
PPP GUYS UNDERSTAND THIS YOU DON’T HAVE A FUTURE WITH ZARDARI. YOU HAVE A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO RECONNECT WITH THE POPULATION.
@taukeer
Dude 17th amend is gone. Unless something drastically happens 17th amend is gone by end of yr. Kayani extension is still abt a year away so they wont be pushing for that now. There is something going on and 4 life of me I can’t figure out end game.
Germany’s top soldier quits over Afghanistan raid
Germany’s top soldier has resigned over the handling of a Nato air strike in Afghanistan in which civilians were killed, the defence minister said.
Wolfgang Schneiderhan stood down over the 4 September attack in Kunduz on fuel tankers hijacked by the Taliban.
His decision followed reports that information about the strike – ordered by a German commander – was later withheld, the defence minister said.
The strike is thought to have killed dozens of civilians collecting fuel.
Released ‘at own request’
Taliban fighters had seized the two tankers while they were being driven from Tajikistan to supply Nato forces in Kabul.
Reports said that villagers were taking fuel from the tankers when the strike happened.
It is not clear exactly how many civilians died. The independent Afghanistan Rights Monitor group put the number of civilians deaths at 70. The Afghan government later said that at least 100 people died, of whom 30 were civilians.
Defence Minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg told parliament that Gen Schneiderhan had failed to provide proper information about the incident and had “released himself from his duties at his own request”.
The announcement came hours after a German newspaper, Bild, published a report alleging key information over the incident had been withheld.
Citing a confidential army video and a military report, it said they showed that the German commander who ordered the strike, Col Georg Klein, had not been able to rule out the presence of civilians at the scene before he took action.
The newspaper said that the report proved that the defence ministry would have seen clear indications that there had been civilian casualties, but that former Defence Minister Franz Josef Jung stated for several days that this was not the case.
The resignation came as the German parliament debated whether to extend its military mission in Afghanistan.
Germany has more than 4,000 troops in Afghanistan, the third largest contingent after the US and Britain.
There are quite a few double games going on. Zardari vs Gilani, Zardari vs Nawaz Sahreef, Zardari vs Army, Army vs Nawaz Sahreef, Army vs TTP + USA, Taliban + ISI vs USA, TTP vs CIA, CIA vs ISI.
So take your pick where would you want to start!!!!
Eid Mubarak to All.
Thanks and EID MUBARIK TO EVERYONE ON THE FORUM
Is Iraq Inquiry Impartial
Sir Oliver drew attention to the appointment of Holocaust historian and Winston Churchill biographer Sir Martin Gilbert, and the war historian and “Blair doctrine” architect Sir Lawrence Freedman, who advocated humanitarian intervention in Kosovo and Afghanistan.
The two men have been made privy counsellors in order to sit on the inquiry committee, which opened this week.
Everytime something happens in west, whole west demands that Muslim condemns it, I would like to see christians living in muslim countries condemn this. Fat chance lolz
Following image was used as compaign to ban minarets. Ofcoz this is not racism lol
Swiss voters back ban on minarets
Swiss voters have supported a referendum proposal to ban the building of minarets, official results show.
More than 57% of voters and 22 out of 26 cantons – or provinces – voted in favour of the ban.
The proposal had been put forward by the Swiss People’s Party, (SVP), the largest party in parliament, which says minarets are a sign of Islamisation.
The government opposed the ban, saying it would harm Switzerland’s image, particularly in the Muslim world.
The BBC’s Imogen Foulkes, in Bern, says the surprise result is very bad news for the Swiss government which also fears unrest among the Muslim community.
Our correspondent says voters worried about rising immigration – and with it the rise of Islam – have ignored the government’s advice.
“The Federal Council (government) respects this decision. Consequently the construction of new minarets in Switzerland is no longer permitted,” said the government in a statement, quoted by the AFP news agency.
Justice Minister Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf said the result reflected fear of Islamic fundamentalism.
“These concerns have to be taken seriously. However, the Federal Council takes the view that a ban on the construction of new minarets is not a feasible means of countering extremist tendencies,” she said.
She sought to reassure Swiss Muslims, saying the decision was “not a rejection of the Muslim community, religion or culture”.
Switzerland is home to some 400,000 Muslims and has just four minarets.
After Christianity, Islam is the most widespread religion in Switzerland, but it remains relatively hidden.
There are unofficial Muslim prayer rooms, and planning applications for new minarets are almost always refused.
Supporters of a ban claimed that allowing minarets would represent the growth of an ideology and a legal system – Sharia law – which are incompatible with Swiss democracy.
But others say the referendum campaign incited hatred. On Thursday the Geneva mosque was vandalised for the third time during the campaign, according to local media.
Before the vote, Amnesty International warned that the ban would violate Switzerland’s obligations to freedom of religious expression.
‘Political symbol’
The president of Zurich’s Association of Muslim Organisations, Tamir Hadjipolu, told the BBC that if the ban was implemented, Switzerland’s Muslim community would live in fear.
“This will cause major problems because during this campaign in the last two weeks different mosques were attacked, which we never experienced in 40 years in Switzerland.
“So with the campaign… the Islamaphobia has increased very intensively.”
Sunday’s referendum was held after the People’s party collected 100,000 signatures from eligible voters within 18 months calling for a vote.
SVP member of parliament Ulrich Schluer said the campaign had helped integration by encouraging debate. He rejected the charge of discrimination.
In recent years many countries in Europe have been debating their relationship with Islam, and how best to integrate their Muslim populations.
France focused on the headscarf, while in Germany there was controversy over plans to build one of Europe’s largest mosques in Cologne.
This is just a manifestation of Islamophobia. I know we have a better tradition of tolerance then the barbarians of Europe. Can you imagine the hue and cry if the churches were prevented from having a characteristic appearance. But in this tit for tat atmosphere we could apply the same logic and say that apperance of churches was threatening to the general population. I would have gone to court in Pakistan about this.
Is there any MNA who could take that up and introduce a private member’s bill about this issue. If they don’t have the balls to bring such a bill then can they just pass a resolution condemning this barbaric fascist referendum entirely in keeping with the barbaric and fascist traditions of the West.
I dun want churches or temples or gurdwara watever to banned in pak or stopped. But i do want a condemnation from churches in Pakistan of this. Why they are silent? Muslim countries have no balls they should have bycotted and recalled thier ambassadors from any country that published those cartoons, and nor they gonna do with swiss, start a bycott and will see how much swiss economy suffers. It hurt danish economy when muslims on thier own bycotted danish products. I have my life bycott on anything danish.
Unfortunately when you say muslim you mean “Arab Sheikh”
This not gonna happen.
u r very mistaken. Arab might had it but not since last decade they have been shunning Swiss accounts. Except for western leg of theier bussinesses its more centred on arab commerce in dubai, london and for shaddy deals caymon islands. Its more humarey president sahib who love to go to swiss.
Waiting for Pakistani christians.
The News: Vatican criticises Swiss minaret ban
The Vatican on Monday endorsed criticism by Swiss bishops that a vote in Switzerland to ban the construction of mosque minarets was a blow to religious freedom.
Antonio Maria Sveglio, president of the pontifical council on migration, told a local news agency that “we are on the same page” as the Conference of Swiss Bishops.
In a statement after Sunday’s vote, the conference said it “heightens the problems of cohabitation between religions” while secretary-general Felix Gmur told Vatican Radio it was “heavy blow to religious freedom and integration”.
Wat a twat. Surely UK can do better then this twat for PM.
Brown urges Pakistan for focus on bin Laden hunt
LONDON: British Prime Minister Gordon Brown says the world needs to refocus on the threat of al-Qaida and has called on Pakistan to intensify the hunt for the terror group’s leaders.
Brown said in television interview broadcast Sunday that he wanted to see more progress in the search for Osama bin Laden and the group’s second-in-command, Ayman al-Zawahiri.
He told the British television that Pakistan’s troops in South Waziristan are tackling the Taliban, “but we want, after eight years, to see more progress in taking out these two people at the top of al-Qaida, who have done so much damage.”
This MF can’t even utter a complete sentence without his jaw dropping. Don’t take me for my word just watch him on the Tele. If we had a leader He/She would have have told him to go and hang! He is a bloody moron who killed the British economy and is in the process of killing off the British Pound so I won’t take him seriously!!!
Obama administration fears Zardari collapse
Updated at: 1525 PST, Monday, November 30, 2009
WASHINGTON (Shaheen Sehbai): The Obama administration is seriously worried about the fast weakening grip of President Asif Zardari in Pakistan and on Monday two top US newspapers predicted, in powerful reports by seven leading writers and correspondents, that the Zardari regime seemed to be near collapse.
The New York Times in a report filed by five correspondents said: “The problems in Afghanistan have only been compounded by the fragility of Mr. Obama’s partner in Pakistan, President Asif Ali Zardari, who is so weak that his government seems near collapse.”
The Washington Post in a report by two correspondents said: “Zardari’s political weakness is an additional hazard for a new bilateral relationship…The administration expects Zardari’s position to continue to weaken, leaving him as a largely ceremonial president even if he manages to survive in office.”
Both the newspapers recalled the surrender of the authority over the National Command Council by President Zardari to Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani as a major event which had weakened Zardari and raised serious doubts about his survival as a powerful president.
The Post said President Obama has offered Pakistan an expanded strategic partnership, including additional military and economic cooperation, while warning with unusual bluntness that its use of insurgent groups to pursue policy goals “cannot continue.”
The offer, including an effort to help reduce tensions between Pakistan and India, was contained in a two-page letter delivered to President Asif Ali Zardari this month by Obama national security adviser James L. Jones. It was accompanied by assurances from Jones that the United States will increase its military and civilian efforts in Afghanistan and that it plans no early withdrawal.
Obama’s speech Tuesday night at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, N.Y., will address primarily the Afghanistan aspects of the strategy. But despite the public and political attention focused on the number of new troops, Pakistan has been the hot core of the months-long strategy review. The long-term consequences of failure there, the review concluded, far outweigh those in Afghanistan.
“We can’t succeed without Pakistan,” a senior administration official involved in the White House review said. “You have to differentiate between public statements and reality. There is nobody who is under any illusions about this.”
This official and others, all of whom spoke about the closely held details of the new strategy on the condition of anonymity, emphasized that without “changing the nature of U.S.-Pakistan relations in a new direction, you’re not going to win in Afghanistan,” as one put it. “And if you don’t win in Afghanistan, then Pakistan will automatically be imperiled, and that will make Afghanistan look like child’s play,” the Post added.
The report in The New York Times was filed by journalists Peter Baker, Eric Schmitt, David E Sanger, Elisabeth Bumiller and Sabrina Tavernise from Islamabad, Washington and New York while in the Washington Post Karen DeYoung from Washington and Pamela Constable from Islamabad contributed to its report. Both newspapers referred to President Zardari’s increasing weakness in the context of the new Afghan policy being prepared by President Obama, which will be announced on Dec 1.
The Post in its report said: “The Pakistan strategy is complicated by a number of factors, including the fact that any indication of increased U.S. involvement there generates broad mistrust. Zardari’s political weakness is an additional hazard for a new bilateral relationship. He is disliked by the military and is challenged by the political opposition and his own prime minister; he also remains under a cloud of long-standing corruption charges. Less than a third of Pakistan’s population voices approval for him in polls. Obama is even less popular there, with approval ratings in the low double digits.
It said: “Many of the broad powers that Zardari assumed from his predecessor, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, who seized power in a 1999 military coup and was forced to resign last year, are being whittled away. On Friday, Zardari turned over control of Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal to Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani, who is held in much higher favor by the military. Zardari’s Musharraf-era powers to fire the elected government and appoint top military officials are also under challenge, and a law protecting government officials from corruption prosecution expired Saturday. On Sunday, the leading political opposition group called for him to give up the additional powers, and Zardari, who had pledged to do so, said he will act “soon.” The administration expects Zardari’s position to continue to weaken, leaving him as a largely ceremonial president even if he manages to survive in office.”
The NYT also reported almost in the same vein. Its report said: “The problems in Afghanistan have only been compounded by the fragility of Mr. Obama’s partner in Pakistan, President Asif Ali Zardari, who is so weak that his government seems near collapse. On Friday, Mr. Zardari relinquished his position in Pakistan’s nuclear command structure, turning it over to the prime minister, in what appeared to be an effort to avoid impeachment or prosecution, and retain at least a figurehead post.
“On Sunday, one of the Obama administration’s staunchest allies, Prime Minister Gordon Brown of Britain, joined in the campaign to press Pakistan to step up attacks on Al Qaeda’s leadership in Pakistan’s unruly tribal areas and other militant groups there. “People are going to ask why, eight years after 2001, Osama bin Laden has never been near to being caught,” Mr. Brown told Sky News, “and what can the Pakistan authorities do that is far more effective.”
“White House officials have said relatively little about the Pakistan side of the administration’s evolving war strategy, in part because they have so few options and so little leverage. They cannot send troops into Pakistan, and they cannot talk publicly about one of their most effective measures, the Central Intelligence Agency’s Predator drone strikes in the country.
“Everyone understands this is a complex, nuanced, critical relationship,” said a senior American official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because Mr. Obama’s review had not been announced. “Everyone has their eyes open, and there are genuine concerns. But one focus now is on trying to expand cooperation. The Pakistanis are doing some positive things in the tribal areas. That presents opportunities on which to build.”
“Mr. Obama’s advisers previously signaled that the president wanted to outline, as he had before, expectations for the Afghan government. This time, they said, the goals would be more explicit and demanding, aimed at improving governance and curbing corruption.
“But the advisers have been debating whether to put deadlines on those benchmarks, like the pace of training Afghan security forces to defend their country.
Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, the top NATO and American commander in Afghanistan, is expected to testify about Mr. Obama’s new strategy on Dec. 8 to the Senate and House Armed Services Committees in Washington, the official said. His appearance is expected to follow Congressional testimony later this week by Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
The administration has sought to build consensus among crucial allies to reach this point. In the last two weeks, Mr. Obama dispatched two top aides to Pakistan to deliver the same message: Keep the pressure on.
In separate visits to Islamabad, the capital, the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, Leon E. Panetta, and the president’s national security adviser, Gen. James L. Jones, told Pakistani officials that no matter how many more troops the president sent to Afghanistan, the effort would fail unless Pakistan increased strikes against Al Qaeda’s leadership and Mullah Muhammad Omar and the leadership of the Afghan Taliban in the southern Pakistani city of Quetta, and the Haqqani network, militants operating out of North Waziristan who have attacked Afghan and NATO targets in eastern Afghanistan and Kabul, the Afghan capital.
“We agree that no matter how many troops you send, if the safe haven in Pakistan isn’t cracked, the whole mission is compromised,” said one official who has participated in the debate over the strategy. “But if you make too many demands on the Pakistanis in public, it can backfire.”
The NYT added that President Obama plans to lay out a time frame for winding down the American involvement in the war in Afghanistan when he announces his decision this week to send more forces, senior administration officials said Sunday.
Although the speech was still in draft form, the officials said the president wanted to use the address at the United States Military Academy at West Point on Tuesday night not only to announce the immediate order to deploy roughly 30,000 more troops, but also to convey how he intends to turn the fight over to the Kabul government.
“It’s accurate to say that he will be more explicit about both goals and time frame than has been the case before and than has been part of the public discussion,” said a senior official, who requested anonymity to discuss the speech before it is delivered. “He wants to give a clear sense of both the time frame for action and how the war will eventually wind down.”
The officials would not disclose the time frame. But they said it would not be tied to particular conditions on the ground nor would it be as firm as the current schedule for withdrawing troops in Iraq, where Mr. Obama has committed to withdrawing most combat units by August and all forces by the end of 2011.
Welcome Mr. New Tarar and Fazal Ellahi.
The Americans need to understand that we have a strategic stake in Afghanistan. We will not tolerate a situation in which Afghanistan is used as a staging point by the Indians against Paksitan.
They also need to be told that they need to lower their public profile in line with the mood of the Pakistani Public.
Democracy is a useful tool. Remeber what the Turks did to the Americans before invasion of Iraq. We need to develop a similar attitude towards them.
Ofcoz wat it actually means is let us further facilitate our stronghold and let us make u our colony. Stp the freaking aid, no aid needed, what needs is trade and waiver of debt morons. I realy like the word partnership ala pimp and hoe.
Geo: US offer Pakistan expanded partnership: report
US President Barack Obama has offered Pakistan an expanded strategic partnership, including additional military and economic cooperation, The Washington Post reported Monday.
The newspaper said the offer, including an effort to help reduce tensions between Pakistan and India, was contained in a two-page letter delivered to President Asif Ali Zardari this month by Obama’s national security adviser James Jones.
It was accompanied by assurances from Jones that the United States will increase its military and civilian efforts in Afghanistan and that it plans no early withdrawal, the report said.
The long-term consequences of failure there, the review concluded, far outweigh those in Afghanistan, according to The Post.
“We can’t succeed without Pakistan,” the paper quotes a senior administration official as saying. “You have to differentiate between public statements and reality. There is nobody who is under any illusions about this.”
This official and others emphasized that without “changing the nature of U.S.-Pakistan relations in a new direction, you’re not going to win in Afghanistan,” The Post said.
“And if you don’t win in Afghanistan, then Pakistan will automatically be imperiled, and that will make Afghanistan look like child’s play,” the paper quotes the official as saying.
US offers, outlined during Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton’s October visit to Islamabad, center on a far more comprehensive and long-term bilateral relationship, the report noted.
It would feature enhanced development and trade assistance, improved intelligence collaboration and a more secure and upgraded military equipment pipeline, more public praise and less public criticism of Pakistan, and an initiative to build greater regional cooperation among Pakistan, India and Afghanistan, the paper pointed out.