NRO Illegal and Unconstitutional
Geo: Supreme Court strikes down NRO
The Supreme Court of Pakistan has struck down the National Reconciliation Ordinance (NRO), saying it is unconstitutional.
A 17-member bench, headed by Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, in his short order, declared the ordinance as null and void.
According to the judgment, the NRO is contrary to the equality guaranteed by the 1973 Constitution of Pakistan. Similarly, all the cases, disposed off because of the controversial ordinance, now stand revived as of Oct 5, 2007 position, said the judgment.
In addition, the court has ordered the government that it should immediately reopen the Swiss cases concerning President Asif Ali Zardari.
“The provisions of the NRO seem to be against national interests thus it violates the several provisions of the constitution,” the ruling said.
Earlier, during hearing of petitions against the NRO, the chief justice said even parliament has no right to change the basic structure of the constitution.
“In accordance to oath, we are committed to safeguard the constitution,” he remarked.
Earlier, the chief justice has warned the NAB Chairman Naveed Ahsan about a stern action if something false detected in the list. He ordered the NAB Chairman to sign the list if it was correct. On the court’s order, he signed the list.
The court summoned the summary file of directives issued for the elimination Swiss cases when the hearing resumed on Wednesday. On the excuse of acting attorney general, the court summoned principal secretary and secretary law. Secretary law while presenting the file in the court said attorney general wrote the letter for withdrawal of cases on the directives of Asif Zardari’s lawyer Farooq H Naek that was opposed by the than law minister Zahid Hamid.
The court has expressed displeasure on acting attorney general and said he hide the truth. The principal secretary of president Salman Farooqi informed the court that cases files are not present in presidency. The files were in president’ camp office in Rawalpindi.
The court advisor Mian Allah Nawaz in his arguments termed the NRO as filthy law and said any, which is beneficial for some individuals, is illegal. Another court advisor Shaiq Usmani said there is no legal ground of giving amenity under NRO. President could only issue the ordinance, which will convert into law by the assembly.
In his remarks, chief justice said how assembly could declare corruption as legal. The judges in their remarks said NRO is against Quranic teachings and amenity could only be given to political cases.
The judges said that if it were an ordinance for national reconciliation, then Baloch leaders and Altaf Hussain should also have been called to the country. During the final stages of the hearing, Salman Raja, Akram Chaudhry, Dr Farooq Hussain, Shahid Orakzai and Abdul Hafiz Pirzada completed their arguments.
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well well this short order won’t be that short. So far all as expected. Now lets wait for further info. Interestingly what going to happen to office holder? I think Zardari will be immune.
YAYYYYY zardari gone lolz
I think it will take another petition for Zardari to be disqualified. But I think they all but said what their decision of such a petition would be.
Better not as it is CJ once again has opened a pandora box whicch can call for his own impeachment by saying Parliment can’t change fundamental prinicples of Constitution. Wrng parliment can do that with 2/3 majority of both houses, parliment can even change the whole constitution. Constitution unlike Quran and Hadith are not written in stone and can evolve, change or amended.
I am not sure about Pakistani constitution but for sure whole USA Congress and Senate(not 2/3rd)can not change principles founded by founding fathers of the nation in the name of amendments and bill of rights.
If founding principle of Islamic Pakistan is based on Quran and Sunnah…I am sure whole parliament can not not change it…if they do SC has absolute rights to interpret in the spirit of constitution.
Now SC is delivering I think afzaal khan should show some regrets on his unfounded skepticism.
2nd amend right in USA is right to bear arms, yet Govt has been allowed to put as many restrictions as much as they want. Thats why its called constitutional amendment. The Patriot act, which wasn’t even an amendment just a law is totally against I believe 4th amend of protecting citizen rights against unlawful search and seizure. Forget even all that hebeus corpus that is a basic human right all over the world was suspended by presidents (starting with Lincoln) as recently as in Bush admin which simply declared US citizen an illegal combatant and though its against the constitution was allowed cuz Parliment passed it and made it law (not even an amendment). In theorey, yes the basic framework of constitution can’t be changed but thats for the judiciary, that is the judiciary must decides cases in framework of constitution, an elected parliment (i.e house and senate) can and do change constitution and does in thorey has a right even to change the fundamental framework to be ratified by state if need arise or through referendum.
This u can ask any constitutional scohlor. I have always been consistent, Judiciary has no right to make laws, its job is to make sure laws conform to constitution. take eg of NRO where judiciary is right. But if the constitution is amended that can’t be challenged in judiciary, and they have no right to do so.
Take eg of Abortion in USA, since congress didn’t change the law and SC enforced it, it still a live issue in USA politics i.e almost 40 yrs after the fact and even today the house and senate can’t pass this law stating abortion is legal, result whoever comes in power either restrict or liberate abortion laws. A parlioment duly elected can manage public opinion and can reflect those with passing laws. Remember it is the job of parliment to pass and make laws not judiciary, thier job is to interpret the constitution and legal arguments of the said law duly passed by Parliment.
Its the job of parliament to make the law but its SC which has absolute authority to struck it down as null and void.
This authority is given to SC by virtue of basic principles of constitution not because judges are deemed genius…..Their verdict must conform to spirit of constitution.
Where does it say in the constitution that Judiciary has this power? Show me plz. If I accept ur premise that will make judiciary most powerful institution in the country with nary an elected member representating the will of ppl. Plz do read the constituion.
Its the job of judiciary to interpret the law….Now do I have to quote article in constitution to make you believe.
Its the job of parliament to make the laws….again please don’t ask me to quote constitution article.
The one who is judging and interpreting the laws made by parliament….Yes technically are superior and more powerful than Parliament….
This simple rule of thumb shouldn’t be hard to understand.
then all judiciary deecision were valid. If thats the argument, fine with me starting with Maulvi Tameezuddin case to nazarya-e-zarrorat to Mushy power to amend the constitution. Why we have parliment if judiciary is superior to them be happy, tom we can have another justice qayyum and u would have to accept that decision
What I said is not my opinion….I simply state a fact.
When you are talking about institutions then talk in general sense…..exclusion is everywhere.
Excuse me guys? Constitution is above the law, no legislation/amendment done by 2/3rd majority in parliament can be over-turned/abolished by SC.
SC DOES NOT have such powers, at least in the constitution of Pakistan.
And thats the point am trying to make, since ts been regulated by judiciary, depends who is in power it fluctuates. Take eg DC law against Handgun, under Clinton stayed intact, under Bush and Rep it was finally repealed by SC cuz Bush was able to shift the balance of court by appointing 2 conservative judges. Thats my whole point when u legislate by court crap happens.
Zardari filhal kahin nahi jata iss leay khush honay ki zaroorat nahi.
ARY: NAB sends 248 NRO beneficiaries names for ECL
ISLAMABAD: National Accountability Bureau (NAB) has sent a letter to Ministry for Interior to include the names of 248 beneficiaries of National Reconciliation Ordinance (NRO) in Exit Control List, reported ARY NEWS.
A NAB spokesman told ARY NEWS Thursday that a letter has been sent to Interior Ministry suggesting it to include the names of 248 people who benefitted by the law – declared invalid by the Supreme Court of Pakistan, in the ECL to avoid their escape from the country.
He said that a letter has also been sent to NAB’s all provincial director generals, prosecutor generals and district prosecutors to reopen all the NAB cases against NRO beneficiaries in compliance with the court orders.
@jazoo
and am saying if i take ur argument then all judiciary decisions are ok no? I mean molvi tameezuddin case was right, who cares parliment and senate passed with 2/3 maj to repeal 8th amend and Justice sajjad decide to overturn it, patently against the constitution but since SC has the final say, ppl elected parliment is nothing.
can’t do nething right. LOL
Travel ban for Pakistani minister in corruption inquiry
ARY Breaking News: Court issues arrest warrant of Rehman Malik
An accountability court of Karachi Friday issued arrest warrants of Federal Minister of Interior Rehman Malik in a NAB reference.
Accountability court judge Mir Mohammed Sheikh issued arrest warrants against the minister.
Ahmed Mukhtar said on Aaj Kamran Khan kay saath that it happened, its just show the incompetence of govt. Wat a playa.
I think Pak Politics boycotting “Aaj Kamran Khan Key Saath”
The last update is Dec.10 show.
If it really is NS website then I am sure they will go against vigorous campaign against corruption…it doesn’t suit NS.
NS played an important roll in restoration of judiciary….Now perhaps he had realized it was a cunning move against Zardari but it is not good for him either.
After NRO next is Bank defaulters(Q League Specific) on Dec.24th and soon it would be against money laundering(NS Specific).
@nota
I copy paste the same comments on PKP but they were removed immediately.
Now I think Gilani is also alert because in next hearing on (Dec.24th)Bank defaulter his wife may be another victim of fair justice.
Court can not summon PM but theres no restriction imo in summoning first lady.
Looks like Gillani is subverting the Supreme court decision. He has just suspended the Interior secretary for preventing Ahmad Mukhtar at Islamabad airport. Looks like “LATON KEY BHOOT BATOON SAY NAHIN SAMAJEN GEY”! And that ends the theory about Gillani being a principled person!
SC didn’t order ECL? Did it. I might be wrong, But seriously I didn’t notice any news saying SC has ordered ECL. Im not gonna commend on Gillani and principals. after all a good politician must learn how to compromise on principles lolz
But that Ahmed Mukhtar was a blunder of highest quality.
Comeon guys time to take the gloves off and go for Gillani, the spineless idiot who thinks everyone in the country is as stupid as him.
NS better cut his deal, cuz since NRO now settled here comes loans lolz
@Nota I completely agree that the existence of the present setup
is due to PML-N. I hate to admit it but yet again Kazi Hussain Ahmad was right and I was wrong!!!
Gillani is trying to play too many sides at the same time with his latest utterances. Aitezaz has the brain to do that but moron Gillani cant synthesis a sentence without help and I think either Zardari or Gillani will be shown the exit door soon.
Ok if this is Zardari & co. Friend then God they are dumb F***, and if he is not then boy oh boy that was the next logical step. Wat a playa.
Geo: Swiss cases reopening challenged in SC
LAHORE: A petition has been filed in Supreme Court against decision of reopening of cases filed against President Asif Zardari in Switzerland.
Barrister Zafarullah filed the petition in Lahore registry of Supreme Court stated that Supreme Court has no right to order reopening of cases within or outside the country against President Zardari because article 248 of constitution provided indemnity to President of Pakistan like other countries.
Barrister Zafarullah said Supreme Court’s decision of reopening foreign cases is unconstitutional and beyond jurisdiction. Therefore, Supreme Court should review its decision of reopening cases and declare the orders issued in this connection as void.
Agree this was the next logical step and therefore not unexpected. The supreme court had very deliberately separated the two issues (NRO and Immunity). They have also very explicitly given an indication of it’s next decision regarding immunity.
and thats why i said wat I said Here
PPP CEC expresses confidence on Zardari leadership
ISLAMABAD: The Central Executive Committee of Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) has passed a resolution putting complete confidence in the leadership of PPP Co-chairman and President Asif Ali Zardari.
The CEC meeting held here at the Presidency on Saturday, decided to defend the cases which stand revived after the Supreme Court’s recent decision of striking down the NRO.
President Asif Ali Zardari presided over the meeting which was attended by Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani besides senior PPP leaders Aitzaz Ahsan, Raza Rabbani, Chaudhry Ahmed Mukhtar, Makhdoom Amin Fahim, Syed Qaim Ali Shah, Syed Mehdi Shah, Lashkari Raisani, Jehangir Badar, Safdar Abbasi and others.
The meeting reviews the situation arising out of the SC verdict on NRO.
During the meeting, the party leaders also sought the expert opinion from Aitzaz Ahsan.
The participants praised the action against the Secretary Interior on the directive of the Prime Minister.
On the occasion, Aitzaz Ahsan said the ministers facing cases against them should resign on moral grounds.
ARY: Only 10 NRO cases against PPP leaders: Malik
Federal Interior Minister Rehman Malik claimed on Sunday that only 10 out of more than eight thousand cases withdrawn under the National Reconciliation Ordinance (NRO) were against the PPP leaders, reported ARY NEWS.
“A total of 8442 cases were withdrawn under the NRO and there were only 10 cases in which the accused belonged to Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP),” Malik told the journalists after attending a march aimed at promoting sectarian harmony during Muharram.
The minister said that the government respects the superior judiciary and will implement its verdicts in letter and spirit.
To a query he said that Pakistan is fighting the terror war for its own sake and will achieve success in its bid to root out militancy from its soil.
“On the occasion, Aitzaz Ahsan said the ministers facing cases against them should resign on moral grounds”
Watch DOTOK with Aitezaz from 19th Dec 2009. Towards the end he side steps a question about Zardair’s intention. All the indications are that he is heading for a confrontation. And as pointed out by several analysts no one has ever won against Judiciary in Pakistan.
If PML-N does not take a clear stance it will be loose its popularity which is very tenuous anyway and IK will be the biggest beneficiary. As I have commented elsewhere there are too many smart people in PML-N to let that happen.
Than the judiciary should show some sense too, no? gadha laat marta hai to aap to laat nahi marangain. If anyone think judiciary will be sitting pretty cuz if the govt go so does the whole system. This decision should ahve been limmited to NRO and NRO only. SC has overstepped its boundries a gross violation of constitution by the so called custodian of constitution. SC can still set things straight by extracting itself from this mess, lets NRO monitoring cell continue, but donot touch constitutional issues eg President immunity, those belongs to Parliment and should remain there. SC would do much better to start the cases of missing person and stop trying to run govt by proxy.
@tauqeer
Moving debate here, why u guys jump all over the site. Hard for me to keep track. Now back to topic.
Ur absolutely right that CJ is moving in deliberate manner, and that is the point we trying to make. It is the deliberate manner that is sowing the seeds that there is more behind the CJ moves, who is the real mover. That NRO was to be struck down was no surprise. But that comments abt legislative process and swiss case recommencement helps zardari not the cause of Justice.
Lemme be a devil’s advocate for a minute, Was zardari elected lawfully or not? when he was elected no one raised these swiss case or corruption cases. Lets assume that for watever reason they were not raised but are relevant now, then by all means lets move the motion in parliment to impeach his ass. Lets find out who stands where and why. If we want democracy that I assume everyone wants they we must be honest with us and strengthen all institutions. It is a political problem and should be handle in parliment. By using SC, zardari gets benefit, he can be forced to resign but a substantial part of public will then have sympathy for him. As it stands how much SM got backing even from journalist, his show still banned, why Geo not even raising the issue, why its not on front pages, cuz Geo knows very well SM went overboard. All its doing is helping zardari portrays himself as mazloom and is not helping Pakistan one bit. U think Zardari has enuff power to be as close to USA and really damage Pak without Army adn ISI allowing it come on mate we all know who has the real power.
I disapprove and disagree with any delibrate move of CJ/CoAS/PM/President?CM etc etc…
For God’s sake zardari ki dushmani mein itnay undhay na ho jao k mulk ko dao per laga do…What the hell is wrong with our minds man?
I am sorry but “deliberate manner” in this situation means cautiously / stepwise etc.
Zardari has chosen to have a confrontation with the judiciary. That is his choice. Like it or not it is going to happen. I wish it does not happen and cooler heads prevail but that will be a miracle.
Regarding Mulk dao per lagana? Does that mean you should be held to ransom by “Topi Drama”? What makes you think that it wont happen in 3 years again. And 8 years from then on. I can assure you they will make the same arguments. “Punjab say Lashon ka ana” What the *uck did punjab have to do with lashon!!!
We need to sort this out sooner than latter
@Afzal after NRO being struck down Zardari’s election can be challanged. Now read through this piece before firing off a reply.
At the time of Zardari’s election NRO was a “valid law” and therefore his election was not challenged. Now that SC has struck it down and ruled to deny any benefit of this “ordinance” it opens the possibility of challenging Zardari’s election. This is a very simple point and that is why our friend Mr Atizaz Ahsan has kept quite about this issue.
Regarding sympathy / mazloom etc I can guarantee you, come what majority of Sindhis will continue to worship and vote for their lord / saviour / sain / pir / etc. MQM will continue to rule the roost of Mohajir vote. PML-N will continue to be a political force in Northern Pakistan ( Punjab and parts of NWFP ) and the more the PPP uses “Topi Drama” the more it will be confined to Sindh. And Baluchistan will be ruled by Sardars! Poor SM can’t do anything about this.
I know there is a bit of pessimism in my statement but that is my gut feeling.
You support SC’s action only becasue it is against Zardari, is this fair? What CJ is doing, is going in Zardari’s favour so I don’t think he is serving the purpose.
Taukeer, it is never going to happen, trust me.
Yaar and that was the whole idea to stop that from happening. PPP is a true national party, like it or not and MQM coming along nicely. PML – N being very short sighted if they think Punjab will be thier safe heaven, it won’t even now after disaster of PML – Q they still hold seats and the way PML – N going they might be in for a rude awakening in Punjab. Pushing Zardari will only make him more likable to ppl and that dun include only sindhis. Even take all politics out of consideration just think What gives right to SC to legislate? Cuz rest assure then we have a Bangladeshi model in progress and nothing good gonna come out of it only resentment of people.
1. “PPP is a national party” Like it was a national party after 1997 election. The more PPP does “Topi Drama” the more the grip of PML-N on punjab. This is a natural reaction and this is borne out by all election results. The parochial politics that PPP seems intent on playing with it’s “Topi Drama” will forever prevent it from coming to power in Pakistan again.
2. PML-Q is history. Don’t believe me just you wait and see come next election.
3. Regarding MQM coming along “nicely” yes it is coming along nicely on ARY but not on the ground.
4. Now regarding SC legislating please tell me how has SC exceeded it’s powers. It had given the government an option to legislate and your favorite government with it’s characteristic competence managed to bungle it.
5. Now let me take you back a couple of years. Was the Pakistani Nation not ready to forgive and forget after 2008 elections. Who misjudged the people’s mood and thought they could blackmail the people of this country into submission on the judges issue. It was our “favorite” Zardari and his clique of moron!
@Sheeda I am sure if you go through the history of my comments you will find that I wanted Zardari to be president for the entire term but when he started playing KLB games I changed my mind and I am sorry I cant pretend to like / love him. He is ******up moron who belongs in a jail. Full stop!!!!!!
Taukeer, don’t even mention 1997 elections. Pakistan k election awam nahi farishtay kerwatay hain. Ppp is the largest party of Pakistan and no one can deny this fact. It is pakistan’s misfortune that zardari is ruling and I hope he dies before he completely ruins the party. Kutta.
SM swinging his bat for a sixer today!!!! LOLZ
The Swiss 60 Million Dollars is a good target to goad them on!!!
Agree with u on CEC and that include even the stalwarts like AA etc unanimously declaring AZ as their co-chairman and accepting Bilawal as thier chairman. Blames lies with them, as I have mentioned b4 PPP should have brought NRO in Parliment to vote allowing it to fail and then forming a comittee to explore and come a way to settles all these cases. OOnce again I have np with SC declaring NRO it was the logical and just verdict and PPP can’t complaint abt that and noone is complaigning abt that. Its SC 2 lines that causing the problem.
1 – The order to open swiss cases in switzerland. President has immunity even if he dun why SC is ordering govt to go to another country and initiate the proecceding against a Pakistani national. The so called kickbacks of swiss case were for contracts in Pak, so if they have merit SC can order inquiry in that in Pak not outside pak, even that is questionable, as does SC really has authority to intiate the inquiries, Only State can bring the case to prosecute and initiate the investigation and some will call it Judicial activistm gone rogue.
2 – The constant hysterics of SM and Shaheen Sehbai has not hurt Zardari au contraire they have pushed PPP to close rank, they might get thier ratings up but a lot of ppl are now qtsioning thier motives. When one keep drumming same beat ppl get bored and then loose interest, day after day SM adn shehbai has done nothing but rehash old stories with gloom predictions which btw havent come true to achive wat goal? The one who like zardari or are ppp jiyalas are not gonna be presuaded, the one who hatees zardari or ppp will neither, thats left independents who mostly dun vote. So I fail to see what could be accomplished by that? Wat they have done is provided PPP with a conspiracy thoierey which they have gleefuly accepted and hass painted SM and sehbai as anti-zardari and by extension anti-democratic process. Take a chill pill not every day should be Zardari bashing day. Faiz se mauzrat ke saath
Hain aur bhi ghum zamaneey main “zardari”" ke siwa
how abt taking a light on the oppurtunistic, incompeeteent PM, or the hypocricy of PML – N or hey the so called MQM principled stand.
I think afzaal khan has read the short order same way he tried to read Tauqeer’s “DELIBERATE”
afzaal khan wrote
“The order to open swiss cases in switzerland. President has immunity even if he dun
why SC is ordering govt to go to another country and initiate the proecceding against a Pakistani national.”
I am stunned at audacity of this khan.
Either he is intellectual midget or intellectual dishonest.
B4 U calll me names plz read the short order. Here is the link.
SC Short Order on NRO
Page 16 – Section 14: VIII, IX & X
There are two part of order under the excerpts you brought on.
One Malik Qayuum as Attorney General had no legal authority to write a letter and called off these cases.
Two NRO is declared null and void so Govt. and legit authorities are advised to seek appropriate actions under revived cases.
Pl tell us where this short order says how to execute these orders.
Heres what you said
“why SC is ordering govt to go to another country and initiate the proecceding against a Pakistani national.”
You also wrote
“as does SC really has authority to intiate the inquiries, Only State can bring the case to prosecute and initiate the investigation and some will call it Judicial activistm gone rogue.”
First of all SC is not initiating any investigation…SC simply says cases are revived.
Then you wrote only state can prosecute and initiate the investigation.
Lets compare what short order says
“Therefore the Federal Government and other concerned authorities are ordered to take immediate steps to seek revival of the said requests, claims and status;”
The word used “revival” is good enough to tell nothing is initiated.
Then your diatribe continued
“The so called kickbacks of swiss case were for contracts in Pak, so if they have merit SC can order inquiry in that in Pak not outside pak,”
Now where in short order inquiries in Pakistan or outside Pakistan is mentioned….SC did not even touch this procedural matter…its left on Govt and legit authorities to proceed with whatever necessary.
Then why asking for resignation and why everyone getting thier knickers in twist that govt not implementing SC decision on NRO? Ur contrdicting urself mate.
Fact of the matter is simple, qts b4 court was is NRO legal or not. And SC should have just stated its unconstitutional and covers all cases, calling in Swiss cases files and stuff shows court’s bias. Put all that aside. Just wat u have mentioned, lets concentrate on that.
As per court NRO is null and void and has ordered Govt, (cuz remember since its null and void, its an order from court unlike the recommendation to change the Chairman Nab)it has then taken next logical step of ordering all cases to be re-opened, actually SC dun even have to say that but they did to make it crystal clear, how swiss cases per se not fall into it?
A note aside from comments. While debating try to stay on point and dun be personal, u disagree with me thats fine thats ur right and will counter it with my arguments, dun be personal or call names. I dun call u names and I expect same courtesy.
Theres a difference between difference of opinion and outright lying and manipulating the situation.
And now I see you are focus…when you ran out of logic you try to expand the subject bringing in NAB Chairman issue and politicians asking for resignation……. not the SC yet.
Swiss cases were specifically mentioned because there overwhelming evidence of wrong play in these cases.
What you are talking about bias and non bias…Its peoples money and you think no one should be accountable because that will make court bias.
I personally don’t know you and for sure I have nothing against you(Personally)…..I respect honesty….so stay honest and I will respect you more than anyone else.
I guess then we agree to disagree cuz wat am talking u not following and ur comments not making sense to me.
A big round of applause for all of you.
The problem is not with Zardari, the problem is with the PPP and people’s decade long dushmani towards the most popular party.
What zia moron and other dictators couldn’t do to the party, is being done by zardari, shahid masood, ansar abbassi and Shaheen Sehbai. This attitude is in fact bringing the party together and untied. The “GHAIRAT Brigade” is doing a great job by bringing the beghairat brigade together, the PPP accept Zardari or Bilawal as their leader, is their internal problem and no one has any right to interfere in what happens within their ranks. They surely are not interested in creatng leadership crisis especially when they are already fighting on so many fronts. People’s party supporter hate zardari but they don’t hate the PPP and that is the saddest part of anti-Bhutto forces’ hatred story.
Did the ghairat brigade ever ask jamat-e-islami as to why did they sleep with every dictator of Pakistan’s history? aur ub apna bhao burhanay k leay CJ ki ass k chamoonay bun rahay hain? Where was there fucking morality when they approved each and every action of Zia/mushy? I am agaisnt Zardari but this conspiracy has made me re-think. It is not on legal or moral grounds, it is only against the PPP and CJ, ISI’s latest mistress, is another asshole trying to become a leader…Lol…sub yahan leader hain and people who live abroad and don’t even vote in pakistan’s elections, are issuing fatwas of ghairat and beghairati…Amazing.
well I tried voting and was told i could’t so dun agreee with voting issue with u.
JI par aiwain he ilzam, baqool iqbal barq girtee bhi hai tu beecharey musalmanoon par, PML -N, IK and etc doing same thing but u blasting only JI, well we have ideological differences, nay amniosity so its cool.
Anyho my objection is SC going way overboard and I agree with u, SC esp CJ should work in his parameters and leave govt administration to govt. If CJ wants to run the govt then I suggest he should resign and take part in politics. May be Sheikh can show him ropes lolz
That is sad but JI per koi ilzam nahi, facts are facts and history cannot be altered.
ISI ki ghutti mein gundgi hai, chor chori sey jaey haira phairi sey na jaey.
After CEC, right on time comes ANP and PML – N leaving MQM to come in few days.
Geo: PM, CM Punjab resolve to avoid harsh statements
Prime Minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani and Chief Minister Punjab Mian Muhammad Shahbaz Sharif held one-on-one meeting today here at PM’s private residence located in defense locality in Lahore on Monday morning, Geo news reported.
According to knowledgeable sources, two leaders, during the sitting, decided not to pass harsh statements against two-coalition parties and will continue struggle for the hegemony and supremacy of democracy in Pakistan, burying aside personal rows.
The two leaders have had two meetings in past 12 days while the just concluded one lasted for an hour and 35 minutes, sources said.
Premier Gilani said the continuation of the PPP and PML-N coalition is in the greatest interest of country and urged upon unity to evolve strength in democratic institutions to keep them smoothly functional in state, sources told media.
They sought bilateral assurance from two parties over avoidance of resignation demand in context of Supreme Court (SC) ruling, which declared NRO void ab initio, meanwhile, the issue pertaining to expansion in Punjab cabinet also came under discussion, sources maintained.
This is getting ridiclous.
Geo: Nusrat Bhutto on ECL; Interior Secretary ordered to explain
This is becoming a zoo. I tell u did u read Hamid Mir column? Now Nusrat Bhutto name always brings me memories of Salamullah urf Tipu, how he was used and abused and discarded. So I have no love lost for her but seriously do we really have to drag her into this?
Regarding swiss cases this is what BBC reported!
And Pak govt should tell them get lost. Sorry dude, this is insane, Pak should tell swiss govt to behave. Like it or not, Zardrari is the president of Pak, and no govt can be allowed to serve him any papers. Wats wrong with u guys, come on man, do we hate zardari that much that its ok to do watever anyone wants in name of removing him?
PPP dun need enemies they have enuff retards inside PPP that do the job way better then anyone else. I mean Seriously Kamran Khan and Abbasi? Should have stuck with SM and Sehbai
PPP critic of Kamran Khan, Shaheen Sehbai, Ansar Abbasi, Dr. Shahid
The PPP Punjab President Rana Aftab Ahmad Khan and senior provincial minister Raja Riaz Ahmad Khan have declared that enough is enough and from now on, the party would adopt the course of confrontation instead of the traditional conciliatory policy so far adopted.
They said Kamran Khan, Shaheen Sehbai, Ansar Abbasi and Dr Shahid Masood should not become movers and shakers in politics. The hands of those who are attempting to demolish the government would be amputated.
They were talking at the PPP provincial secretariat in Lahore on Monday after presiding over the meeting of the party’s executive council, federal council, district presidents and general secretaries. They said right from the beginning our politics had been based on ideology.
They warned that those targeting the Aiwan-e-Sadr and residing in palaces built of glass would not be spared. They said the PPP had offered tremendous sacrifices for democracy and the country’s security. Now that we are in power it is because of the leadership of Benazir Bhutto and Asif Ali Zardari.
Raja Riaz said power to the PPP had not come through charity but because of a heavy mandate given by the people. Criticizing Geo TV channel, he warned Kamran Khan and Dr. Shahid Masood to avoid becoming champions of politics. The hands of those who tried to dismantle the democratic government will be amputated.
Expressing complete confidence in the party leadership Raja Riaz said the PPP is facing a media trial but everyone must know that the party and Pakistan are inseparable.
PPP leaders also criticised Shaheen Sehbai, Group Editor of The News, and Ansar Abbasi, Editor Investigations of The News for their writings. It was alleged that Ansar Abbasi writes an elegy every day.
Earlier while addressing the meeting, PPP Punjab General Secretary Samiullah Khan said the party of Benazir Bhutto Shaheed would not be run according to “Terey, Merey Mutabiq” but the aspirations of the people. Lambasting Geo television channel, he said out of the 841 NRO beneficiaries only one man and the Swiss case was being singled out. Samiullah said the PPP would resist if the judiciary oversteps its constitutional mandate.
The PPP Punjab President Rana Aftab Ahmad Khan warned each and every organisation to confine their activities within the given parameters. He said we are not afraid of jails or police stations as we consider them as medals. Rana Aftab lambasted the intriguers and others who had launched criticism of the party leadership and said henceforth they will be confronted with full force.
My reprint from PKP
mbokhari again as usual full of himself and dark green black comedy.
Pepto is needed so one can stay in bed.
Suicide bombing is not journalism or press club specific…its everywhere in all sections of Pakistani lives…..and no investigations needed…..reasons are known.
In a banana republic a terrorist with minimum resources can execute his job with more ease than mbokhari writes his non white black comedy.
Ansar Abbasi is doing a great job of honest investigative reporting where its most needed..
Get rid of corruption restore law and order and make it difficult for a suicide bomber to execute and bring planners to justice.
LET ME DO THE RIGHT THING! PAKISTAN MAIN KOI CORRUTION NAHI HAI. ZARDARI IMANDAR HAI. ALL THE NATION SHOULD KEEP THEIR MONEY WITH HIM STARTING WITH A ONE AFZAL KHAN AND PAK.NUKES
NO ONE SHOULD EVER MENTION 60 MILLION DOLLAR ACCOUNTS. THE MONEY WAS GOD SENT FOR THE ROYAL COUPLE OF PAKISTAN. HOW DARE SOMEONE QUESTION THEM AND THEIR INTEGRITY.
NO ONE SHOULD EVER MENTION THE 2CENTS PER MIN EVERYONE CALLING PAKISTAN AFTER THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE GOD SENT AWAM DOST PEEEEEPOLES PARTY GOVERNMENT HAS TO PAY SO THAT OUR ROYAL FAMILY SHOULD BE LOOKED AFTER NOT ONLY WHILE IN POWER BUT WHEN THEY TAKE THEIR TURN OUT OF OFFICE AND AWAIT THEIR LITTLE ANGLE TO GROW UP.
NO ONE SHOULD EVER QUESTION THE MANDATE OF 180 MILLION PEOPLE AND ALL OF THEM WERE NOT “FARISHTEY”. THEY WERE ALL (AND I INSIST 180 MILLION OF THEM) WERE WELL MEANING PAKISTANIS HANDING OVER THE MANDATE TO BE PILLAGED, PLUNDERED AND MISRULED. YES THEIR WERE NEVER EVER ANY FARISHTEY INVOLVED JUST ALL OF PAKISTANIS.
I WILL NEVER QUESTION THE DIVINE RIGHTS OF THE GOD SENT ROYAL FAMILY LEST I BE BRACKETED WITH THE GAIRAT BRIGADE. I SHOULD STICK WITH THE BAY-GAIRAT BRIGADE.
BAI-GAIRATI ZINDABAD ZARDARI ZINDABAD PEOPLES PARTY ZINDABAD.
AND ANSAR ABASI MURABAD, SAHID MASOOD MURADBAD, KAMRAN KHAN MURADBAD,
GOBAR HEWAN ZINDABAD, KOCHWAN MALIK ZINDABAD, FAUZIA CHURAIL ZINDABAD, HER LITTLE ANGLE ALI WAHAB ZINDABAD, ZULIFKAR MIRZA DAKU ZINDABAD. OH LET IT MAKE IT SIMPLE, PEOPLES PARTY AGAIN AND AGAIN ZINDABAD.
You forgot to mention nawaz and shahbaz sharif, zardari’s pimps zindabad, maulana diesel, avaiable to all slut, zindabad. ISI, Taliban ki najaeyz maa, zindabad.
Don’t exploit children the way you have used bilawal’s picture above. All teenagers get carried away in their student life and this picture proves nothing. Let their voters decide whether they want them or not and for that we will have to wait for a while. The game army is playing is as bad for the country as zardari himself.
@Pak.nukes
“Let their voters decide”
On a good sunny election day voters are asked to not work in fields…they would be collected at this a.m. in a bus,truck, van or gadhha gari….this package is delivered at polling booths with their thumbs and mind of someone else.
A farmer’s dreams comes true every 5 years ideally when he received this much respect.
The feelings of self proprietorship are high when he is lend his own NIC for few hours by his Zameendar.
He is least concerned there are options other than arrow on the ballot paper…its not even his subject to think and decide besides he has to go back and work.
and then u blast me when i say Democracy is stupid system lol
Democracy is a system……In Pakistan theres no system.
Poverty or lack of education is not disqualification for a voter….Lack of freedom is.
Manu Bhail was just one case but very symbolic.
DIG was suspended who investigate Manu Bhail case….Corrupt element of society was not just protecting one perpetrator…an example was set that no one should dare protecting these helpless people.
First time in Pakistan things are going in right direction by this free judiciary.
In a free and just society the vote of a farmer would be as good as urs and mine….Fisrt he would adopt free will and then exercising his free will
Then we deserve zardari.
@taukeer
Am seriously disappointed in you. I guess party loyalty does trumps baqoool GHalib
“chuTti nahi hai munh se yeh kafir lagee hoi”
Neither I nor Pak.nukes are claiming that zardari and co are angles, that they are corrupt is beyond dispute, that NRO should have been struck down is also beyond dispute, that cases be open against everyone of moron who took advantage of NRO, I dun hear anyone disputing that either.
But is it, so beyond the realm of imagination as not to qts the behavior and decision of court? Have we have now annoited CJ Iftikhar the status of exalted leader who can’t do anything wrong and whose motives are always pure and always in the best interets of the nation? Have we come to a point that in the nation of 180 million only SC is the honest, reliable bunch of ppl and rest are liars, cheaters and charlatans. Forget abt the merit of our criticism of court, have we now declared SC infalliable that they can’t even commit any error in thier judgement? That my friend is the isssue, the issue is not NRO being right or not, issue is not whther zardari and co are corrupt or not, issue is did SC went overboard whilee conducting hearings and has SC been reaching beyond the parameters of judiciary role to actualy run the administrative side of the govt? That is the issue and if we can disucss everything else we should be able to discuss that too. Numerous times in past I have mentioned SC doing things which doesn’t comes under its jurisdiction from calling Karachi IG to explain Traffic jame, to trying to fix sugar prices, to conducting NRO hearing for so long of 8041 cases only disucssing the swiss cases of Zardari to trying to tell PM who should head the FIA (Khosa Case).
Whether we like zardari or not, whether point raised by me can be counter argued, we must be honest and admit that thier now exist a perception in sizable number of pakistani that court has been targetting zardari and as an extension PPP. U can’t blame that on Athar Abbas or sawal yeh hai, cuz they dun command such larger audiences and ffrankly thier power of persuassion are not that great. These same qts are now being raised by Talat, kashif abbasi etc. Its very simple mate, lets opposition do thier job, and lets parlimeent d thier job. Once again u of anyone else should reecognize the pitfalls of legislation by juddiciary.
I am sorry if I disappoint you. WTF are u disappointed I just joined Baigairat Brigade!
BTW I have no party loyalty yes I sometimes have smpathy for PML-N but that is not based on Nawaz Sharif being the president / prime-minister for life and if he looses election I blame it on “farishtey”. (I have the honesty to admit defeat.)
Anyway I think I think I am not intellectually competent like yourselves to continue this argument.
Baigairati Zinadbad, Zardari Zindabad, Peoples Party Zindabad, Jeyey jeyey Jeyey Bhutto ONLY in Pakistan! Yes that way we solve all the problems especially Sindh card and Topi problem. And how can I forget to condem the SC for doing it’s job. AND going beyond it’s mandate.
I have nothing to say except, wait for a couple of months and you will know what the game is.
I guess Kurd loves corruption too
sala Kurd bhi jiyala nikla 
lol
http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/PoPupwindow.aspx?newsID=1100805309&Issue=NP_LHE&Date=20091223
Kurd and many like him thought now they will get their reward but CJ outright refused their list of judges.
Kurd best fit in lollywood
and CJ belongs to giddo bandar
so now CJ the new peer of masses lolz. Oh the nation gets another infalliable and exalted leader, a farishta who can never do nething wrong, and anyone who suspect otherwise must be somehow corrupt.
Ufffff hazrat CJ ch. Iftikhar allay Salam. Kaash yeh poori qaum aap jaisi ho jaey.
Poori quom Malik Qayuum jesi hoto kiya mazaiqa hey.
CJ is such a f***er he did not even respect the god given right of peoples party to rule pakistan because of all its qurbanis and shahadat etc etc.
@Taukeer
I guess u didn’t read my post lemme highlught again, could u plz answer the qts I have raised. And am not the only one asking even Kurd hass raised same qts
CJ is not infallible but he is in limelight and he can not do beyond constitution…He is bound by constitution all others are madar pidar azad and has no respect for rule of law.
So pay respect where its due.
@afzaal You keep repeating infallible things with me.
If its cracking remarks at my shia belief then address in appropriate manner to open a dialogue.
I assure you….you will regret that you open this dialogue with me.
ehhhhh I didn’t even know u were shia and no i didn’t use the infalliable remarks regarding shia more like catholic pope. WWats infaliability has to do with shia? Its in regards to Catholic believe of Pope being infalliable. Dude seriously u wana argue fine argue dun accuse me of things u dun know jack abt. DO u know if im shia or sunni? Do u know if my family is shia or sunni? No u don’t so dun assume.
Regarding CJ is bound by constitution, I tot he can do watever he wants to constitution, he is superior then parliemnt wasn’t that ur reasoning? Forget even that, u still avoiding the qts, when did I say NRO being struck down is against the constitution. Not once, Infact SC should have done that from the day 1, but watever its beeen struck down kudos, the argument is the behavior of court. Pray tell swiss courts decision.
1 – Prez has immunity, so how is govt to oblige court by asking Swiss court to open case against a sitting prez.
2 – Lets assume they do when Swiss ask for copperation how goivt can cooperate against a sitting prez who enjoys immunity,
3 – That leaves only BB that govt can go ahead and ask swiss cases to be open against us. So pray tell what SC, who calleed the interior ministry 4 adding Nusrat Bhutto name in the ECL, is doing, asking govt to open cases against Late BB?
Dude I would be rude if I tell you are not true…You knew well I am shia.
Teacher who check my copies superior to me…Similarly SC interpreting the laws made by Parliament to check their conformity with constitution is superior to Parliament…I am not saying it….its the job of SC as in constitution….I am simply quoting whats in constitution.
Re: Prez has immunity….SC in its short order has touched article 62 that means qualification of Prez is also under question…if he is guilty of all this looting and plundering he will lose his job….evidences are overwhelming.
Well believe me or not I didn’t know u were shia or not, anyway it dun matter to me u shia or sunni, wahabi or hanafi or watever. Thats irrelevant to discussion at hand. Ur views has no bearing on u being shia or sunni, neither are mine.
So u admit SC has mentioned article 62, so next logical stepp will be SC decision on deciding whether the Prez has immunity or not, or whether he is elgible or not. Fair enuff, SC should take it if it feels they need to give verdict on it. I will for sake of argument even concede they have every right to do so.
Then my qts come back again, is this the most pressing need of our time, to decide whether prez is elgible or not, never mind he did get elected within rules present at time and if SC takes thsi case and delcare his election null and void what will be the ramifications? Wouldn’t that validate the argument that the whole purpose of excercise is to get rid of zardari & Co and nothing to do with corruption. Do we realy need to open that pandora box right now? Doesn’t SC has more pressing matters which relates directly to rule of law and order eg how abt missing person case? How abt SC ordering govt to bring Dr. Afia back. How abt striking down quota system? Hell how abt federal shariah court decision and which SC had endorsed been pending since, I guess last 15 yrs, declaring interest haram? If its all abt constitution how abt doing all these which are more imp then deciding whther prez can be kicked out or not or whether he was eligibel to beocme one? I mean lets say, SC takes the case and decides that election eligibility of prez was wrong. All it can do is have the laws change for next prez elections, as SC has already declared in July 31 decision that all elections and govt formed past Nov.3 edmergency order are valid. Thats wat am trying to say dude, just think plz.
A corrupt individual is far less dangerous than a corrupt powerful sitting President.
All the points u raised as need of time are trivial and can wait, as compared to taking care of this monstrous President and his corrupt setup.
Unfortunately corruption is not the past thing for this team…still they are doing the same what was expected of them.
You wrote
“Wouldn’t that validate the argument that the whole purpose of excercise is to get rid of zardari & Co and nothing to do with corruption.”
So you think Zardari and corruption are not synonymous…You think Wajid Shamsul Hasan was in Swiss law office for a cup of tea or to play Golf.
Another argument is usually given…there are other 8000 corrupt bureaucrats and individuals why go after Zardari…Trust me CJ and his court can not lay a finger on all those without nailing first the main culprit sitting in Presidency who can make job of SC more difficult than going to Sun.
Not exercising the article 6 on Musharaf is like one thief protecting other.
Afzaal Khan and this nation should not be as naive as to read whats written all over the wall.
Pl read as
Afzaal Khan and this nation should not be as naive as not being able to read whats written all over the wall
If u think missing person case is trivial then what is there to argue. MQM is a political reality becuase of quota system, MQM holds the power because of quota system, yet u think is trivial.
If u think zardari corruption is the main reason and nailing zardari will fix all the problems then u have attained the height of naivety. I dun like zardari, never liked him and never will, but this is wrong and will fight against wrong. SC should do jusstice without bias and should do it in the parameters of constitution. Keep overboarding it and I can assure u na CJ rahey ga na yeh mulk. If I was PPP I would tell CJ nope sorry u have gone overboard and plz recuse urself froom anything and CJ find me in contempt that would have been awesome, I would have immediately resign and sit in opposition, phir chala lay country military and CJ mil ke, hum bhi dekh laingain how good they do.
For missing persons SC can pass an order but then who will execute RM…You think so.
SC passed an order about sugar prices you did not like…Had SC not touch this matter you would have said they are after Zardari only…nothing is done for people relief.
When Sc pass an order for people relief you said they are interfering…..Pl tell this board what SC should do to satisfy you.
Its a big relief…its not the job of SC to satisfy afzaal khan.
@jazoo
Ur contradicting urself when u say SC can passs the order and then who will execute? At least passs the order. We have been waiting for SC to rule on it forever. Thats beside the point, that why SC should even pass the order I want govt to do its job and bring back missing person. All my complaints against govt wil be directed at govt, Once again, we are in this mess cuz of stupid govt, as I have said b4 govt should have brought NRO to parliment and reject it then set up comittee to deal with this crap, the initial failure lies with them and its solely thier fault same way they screwed up on repealing Nov 3 action. Once again its solely the govt fault. And once again I strongly believe SC decision regarding NRO is correect one, with reservations I even agree to monitor cells, What I dun agree with the swisss court verdict of SC and thier actions during the hearings. That shows courts biased and it is beyond SC jurisdiction. The whole excercise appears to humiliate one preson and that is wrong.
Regarding the sugar prices its not only me its every sane person in Pak who agress that SC shouldn’t have meddlled in that and the prove that SC was wrong is in SC actions after the verdict that they have not called anyone on contempt of court for not selling sugar at Rs. 40.
Justice should be blind and should be unbiased. As it stands sizable portion of public donot consider SC behavior in NRO hearing as just.
But then again, as per ur logic anyone who disagreee with SC has to be corrupt as u accused Kurd of being corrupt alleging that he wanted his judges and when he didn’t get he is mad.
SC can easily satisfy me by being SC, Stop being Sultan Rahi and stop doing barhak ooey main aaey kar diyan ga main eh kardiyaan ga, what kind of CJ we have who does barhakain on every case, hum kisi se nahi dartey, hum yeh kar daingain voh kar dain gain, so how abt it stop acting like Sultan Rahi and show some decorum to the institution.
SC can pass an order on missing persons then they will be issuing contempt notices to every crook sitting in Govt but to no avail and make an ass of themselves…which technically was in the case of sugar crises.
You didn’t like contempt notices in sugar case but you have no problem when given in missing person cases…in each case SC will achieve no mileage because its not easy to fight with executive.
Once SC understood this Govt is corrupt by virtue of evidences submit in NRO case and their ongoing corruption in this tenure is not hidden either….SC wisely had touched article 162 in short judgment.
Invoking article 190 once is good enough than issue 100s of contempt notices to no avail and imo it should be done under hearing of article 162.
Its not possible SC invoke article 190 every time when in contempt.
@jazoo
when did i say I have problem with SC issuing comtempt notice in sugar crisis? How abt u read b4 replying. I said It was wroing of SC to meddle in sugar issue period. SC can’t fix prices of commodities thats not thier job. And as was predicted the whole issue went away even after SC drama, not a single big fish arrested and neither the sugar price fixed made sugar available to public. The point was why SC medelled in executive role. If govt fails to deiever they will pay it at polls. SC should stay out of it. So next time plz read b4 replying.
As for invoking article 162, will see, if SC takes case of president eligibility or immunity that will be another case of SC interfering in parlimentary proceess. The issue is simple, if Zardari is corrupt and shouldn’t be in power lets impeach him. Lets not use SC to achieve what one can’t achieve through constitutional means.
You mean give Zardari free hand for the next five years to rob this country at will.
Whatever SC does under an article of constitution is its jurisdiction and its not interfering in Parliament.
If u so scared of Zardari corruption why dun u demand the opposition to present vote of no cofidence or impeach the president why u asking SC to interfere. What constitution Jurisdiction court has to remove an elected President? R there any new cases of his corruption? If u do then file a criminal case against him.
We going in circles. Simple qts for u
1 – Was zardari elected following rules which were in effect at time of his election? Did he violate those rules, was there present a viable candidate against him and was he or was he not elected fairly under standing rules.
2 – In 31st July verdict did SC declare or not that all elections held post Nov 3 emergency were valid and all oath of offices taken by persons were valid even one given by Doogar?
3 – If govt is failing at governing, is corrupt and inept does this allow SC to interfere and throw that govt out?
Every sincere Pakistani want to see corruption less Pakistan.
This SC will not do anything which is not its jurisdiction allowed by constitution.
This is not my or ur job to decide if this SC is competent.
This is the most competent SC in Pakistan which is endorsed by most pious man of principle judges in Pakistan like Justice Saeeduz Zaman Siddiqui and Justice Wajihu-din and off course by justice Fakhrudin G Ibrahim.
How do u know they are pious and even if they are what that got to do with thier endorsement? Who are we to judge who is pious or not. Once again, u didn’t answer my qts and started a new topic.
Everyone knows my stance on Aasma Jahangir I have blasted her several times in past, I suggest u watch capital talk and try to understand the objection. Furthermore plz answer my qts if u wana continue. Dun change topic.
They are pious in a sense they have established their character and stood on principle which is rare in Pakistan.
Your all the three points though are true but irrelevant.
The verdict was in reference to Judges case and oath of Zardari is not under question.
His corruption in another case(NRO) is under question.
If SC found in its jurisdiction that a crime committed before President was elected and that was overlooked because of now declared null and void NRO and its permissible under law to question his initial candidature I see nothing stopping SC to look into it.
If its permissible under constitution then its not interfering into Parliament.
And who gives SC that right to decide? Once again if SC has all the powers and all the rights to interpret nay make new laws like they been doing why we have parliment? U contradict urself, over and over and dun answer my qts.
I asked this b4, lets suppose SC decide that they wana take the elgibility or prez or immunity of prez and want to declare it illegal, it can’t be retroactively implemented. It can only be implemented in future so taking it now its moot and taking that case is a direct undermining of Parliment which at this moment is working on constitutional package. Once Parliment is already discussing a constitutional package this step by SC will signal it doesn’t respect the seperation of power and will show clearly that they are being driven by zardari hatred and not by sense of justice. The prez has immunity, if that is something that we don’t like why not go in parliment and chnage the law.
Once again u dodnt answer my 3rd qts which can end this debate, so i post again
3 – If govt is failing at governing, is corrupt and inept does this allow SC to interfere and throw that govt out?
You are talking about some technical points which I am sure you are not authority so I am.
My point is this SC is deemed fair by majority of Pakistanis and I am confident they will not do whats against the spirit of constitution.
Re: ur third point
If Govt is corrupt its the will of people to see Govt stop doing corruption or stop Governing.
Some people like to see Army intervene…My personal opinion is if SC can do it legally under constitution they should do it.
@ Jazoo
Thats what I figured didn’t want to be accused of twisting ur words or puuting words in ur mouth. This is the reason Democracy keep failing in Pak. No SC or army ever has right to kick out an elected govt no matter how corrupt or inpet. Only Parliment can do that and will of ppl by protesting and forcing govt out of power. Anyone who supports otherwise has no understanding of democracy. Anyway after this statement from u there is nothing further to gain from debating.
SC is wrong and is playing a dangerous game, continue that and all that we have fought for is in vain.
Fuck zardari he can go to hell, I can care less u know that, Its abt system man.
What system.
list the laws made by this parliament in 2 years.
list the executive performance worth mentioning besides land grabbing and looting.
Performance is measured in basic necessities provided
This is first time load shedding in winter
Kidz are getting seriously sick(today’s news) probably by drinking not clean water.
Your love for system where theres no system must be a joke
yeh pkpol waley pagal hogaey hain
@afzaal khan you wrote
“SC is wrong and is playing a dangerous game, continue that and all that we have fought for is in vain.”
I DON”T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL DANGEROUS GAME
When SC put a check on Govt you call it interfering…When possibly….we are not sure yet…SC may strike down on Prez…on conjecture you are calling it a dangerous game.
What was wrong with Dogar court….that corrupt court was most harmonious with this corrupt Govt……At least nothing of the type you call dangerous game was happening or could have happened.
WAKE UPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
U HAVE LOST IT. I Say wwest u think i east. once last time
NRO DECISION BY COURT WAS GOOD ONE AND I 10000% SUPPORT IT. THAT WAS LOGICAL DECISION AND THE ONLY DECISION COURT COULD TAKE. I HAVE PROBLEM WITH THE MANNER COURT CONDUCTED ITSELF AND I FIND COURT DANGEROUSLY OVERSTEPPING ITS JURISDICTION BY GETTING INTO MATTERS THATS NOT IN ITS PERVIEW. FOR DETAILS HEAR KURD AND AAMSA JHANGIR ON CAPITAL TALK.
I hope thats make it clear. If It dun have a lollipop and chill. THIS CJ SUCKS ASS HE SHOULD STOP BEHAVING LIKE SULTAN RAHI, LESS BARHKAIN, SHOULD STOP TRYING TO BE A POLITICAL LEADER BY ADDRESSING CONFERENCES AND BAR AND STOP INTERFERING IN ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE OF GOVT SPECIALLY TELLING GOVT WHOM TO APPOINT WHERE. BASICALLY JUST STFU AND DO WAT SC OF WORLD DO, TALK LESS AND DO MORE SHIT IN CONSTITUTION.
I don’t need to listen to lowlife Asma Jahangir and comedian Kurd when I can get much better and authentic reviews by far more authentic Justice Wajih and Justice Saeeduz Zaman.
and if i find them low life then we stuck again.
This is the truth, U hate zardari and co, u hate the fact that they are in power, Yet u can’t find a way to get rid of them. U would dearly love military to kick them out but u know they won’t and u can’t ask for military intervention cuz that will not make u look good. So u use SC to get rid of u of zardari. Guess wat, an’t gonna happen. This SC is in for rude awakening and they just getting a taste of what to come cuz they only pissed of PPP, now imagine PPP joined by PML – N MQM AND ANP thsi court will be on thier asses out on street wondering wtf hit them.
All humans make mistake and all humans commit error, only zaat which have no error can never make mistake is ALLAH SWT. This is my basic belief, as such dun matter how good CJ is how good thier intentions are he is human and he is prone to make mistakes which he had made in past, had made now and will continue to make.If he think Public opinion gonna save his ass he is wrong, public opinions are fickles and they change as quickly the other way its all abt how to manipulate the public opinion and there is a reason politician with all the crap still get voted in cuz they know how to manipulate public opinion. Im now more the happy and am hoping this retard court continues down that road, cuz 1st ant nothig gonna change, no one is gouing to jail and no money is coming back. 2nd when elections come chances are 90% barring a catastrophe PML – N will form govt, ppp wil loose not cuz of SC but cuz of thier inept govt, and NS will do the 1st thing is get rid of meddling CJ and make sure that court powers are curtailed. And noone but CJ will be responsible for that. Wait till Jan and just read the wonder that constitutional package gonna be
And I wont shed a single tear on this CJ cuz he has proven that he dun deserve to be a justice cuz he can’t be fair.
I wonder why Kurd and Asma were not low and comedy while they were fighting for the rule of law.
Justice Wajih and Saeed uz zaman are respectable, there are not two opinions about this.
Then u yell at me am supporting PPP lol. Main bhi to yehi arz kar raha hoon if sajjad shah was wrong then how this is right. Atleast Sajjad Shah had balls to come out open and do the deed unlike the current occupant
OH BTW, Hamid Mir in recent Past has been propagating story that Mushy trial was all set to go by zardari when PM Gillani gave the NA speech thus derailing the process, he even quoted zadrari as saying “main to tayyar tha apkey PM nahi chahtey” (something along those lines, Funnily when he tried to make Naseem Zhera the witness on Dunya TV Show she called him a liar) here surprisingly Hamid Mir 4got his earlier claims and now saying that both PM and Prez had told him that USA won’t allow the trial.
An’t no angels among us. And PPP is in position because of
1 – Zardari and Co know no bounds when it comes to linning thier pockets.
2 – Zardari and co are politically immature as hell and thier advisors are more in line with Maula Jutt.
But the ppl now proclaiming demcoracy and accountability an’t no angels either.
Yaar PPP ko support kerna koi taboo hai? WTF?
Yes supporting Zardari is a taboo but who is supporting Zardari here anyway?
Is this following a pattern!
Discredit everyone in the country so that no one knows dark from black!!! LET US SAVE ZARDARI! THE RAY OF HOPE FOR THE NATION! BLACKEN EVERYONE@S NAME IN SIGHT SO THAT NO ONE COULD QUESTION OUR DEAR LEADERS “HONESTY AND INTEGRITY”.
Taukeer, you are being unreasonable now. You have jumped to your own conclusion and there is no flexibility on that. Have you ever asked your favourite ISI and Hamid Gul abt there mischievious past? Their lust for power? What makes them honest and nationalists?Conspiracies were made and hatched by the ISI morons ever since they came into being. If politicians are corrupt and answerable so are these assholes.
You are being judgemental and this is only because you don’t like Zardari, I HATE zardari but this doesn’t mean that I start supporting unjust conspiracies.
nota, let me find out about the stated facts. I will check and get back to you, probably on Monday as I am still out of station.
hey taukeer come on now we all know nota has stated position he wants full blown revolution all gone to be replaced by me as PM and nota as Prez :p
chalo since its gonna be repealed on 27th u PM happy :p now just make me CJ lol
Billi aur cheechray aur khwab.lol.
CJ should really resign and take on politics. Yeh to siyasat danoo se bhi ziada bayan bazii karta hai – BTW ppl accusing ppp of weakness and fear regarding PPP meetings and press releasing abt confidence on zardari would also accuse the CJ of that
Geo: Courts give judgments on merit: CJ
Chief Justice of Pakistan (CJP) Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry has said that the apex court always gives its verdict according to the constitution.
However, one party welcomes it, while the other party feels sad and says judge could not understand the case.
The CJP expressed this at a meeting in Supreme Court (SC) with office barriers of Rawalpindi Divison’s bar associations.
He said SC decisions are the assets of public. He further said if courts verdicts are against anyone, they should accept the decision with open heart and this is called the rule of the law.
“Everybody is equal according to the Article 4 of the constitution, and we cannot give favor to anyone,” he asserted adding, “Our survival lies in the supremacy of the constitution.”
The CJP further said positive impacts of National Judicial Policy have been witnessed.
and the plan keep coming in clear. These guys have gone blind in zardrai hatred.
Ikram Sehgal: Putting the judiciary on trial
And if u read above, way above I agreed on same point with you, I have repeatedly said its the failure of parliment and blame squarely lies with PPP specially Zardari and co that we in this mess. U know very well, how many times I have stated that SC decision on NRO was the logical and just decision and PPP or anyone for that matter has no cause for complaints. Yet despite my repetition, u fail to understand wat am trying to say, U know very well this SC “justice agenda”. U know am not jiyala and i dun give 2 shit abt zardari, but do u really believe the way SC has conducted itself and short order has really served justice cause? That is my only point, its not 1st time SC has tried to go overboard and won’t be last, are they innocent, its very hard for me to beleive CJ being so naive that he is beeen playing in the hands of ppl who want SC to do wat they can’t do themselves. We saw wat happened in BD do we realy want to repeat same here? Is it soo hard, or is the hatred for zardari & co is so strong and blinding that we can’t even admit the shortfault of judiciary? Despite all the differences with aasma jhangir we gotta admit she has a point, what abt Kurd? Or others who have beeen raising quietly the same queestions? It wasn’t long ago Naeem Bukhari wrote teh letter addresssing CJ. Have we forgotten that too? U fought on streets i fought on blogs and with money for independent judiciary, not for CJJ but for independent judiciary i,e just system. Why we now stuck on CJ? May be its the perception on my part may be I am wrong, may be its just the CJ style of conducting bussiness that grates on my nerves, yet even if its perception on my part am not alone, all am asking is to think, in Pak u know veery well nothing is straight forward there is always multiple agendas and crap going behind everything, so why this SC conduct is above reeporoach?
I got him now alright
Its failureeeee of Parliament but conspiracy of Judiciary.
Now we can apply all kind of commutative laws and reciprocal laws.
1)If Parliament didn’t fail judiciary won’t conspire.
2)If judiciary didn’t conspire parliament should not have failed.
When equation stuck on two parameters(failure and conspiracy)…Theres no room for third parameter(Corruption).
3) If parliament had not elected a corrupt President judiciary won’ had conspired.
4) Because parliamentarians knew in advance a judiciary would come in future which will conspire against us so lets give them some reason and elect king of corruption as new king of Pakistan.
At the moment I think laws of physics should not be applied.
Sazish ki boo ar rahi hai afzal ko!!!!! Ho na ho CJ ka hath ho ga!!!! He is making judiciary controversial!!!!!
NRO ZINDABAD. I DEMAND AN NRO FOR AFZALKHAN AS WELL!
@tauqeer
Too bz? or u have reduced urself to naarey bazi and tv sound bites
No I mutated into a Jiyala and had go let my brain go to sleep like someone else I know!
NRO ZINDABAD. Zardari Zindabad, Afzal Jiyala (NRO Wala) Zindabad!!!!
God U gona regret this! LOLZ
hehehe…funny
@pak.nukes
When did I had high esteem for lowlife Asma Jahangir.
She is lower than naliiii ka keeeeerrraa.
Kurd was interesting character during judiciary campaign but he was not the focal point of campaign.
Besides Kurd is not against CJ on principles…He was fast in seeking reward i.e. list of his judges which denied by CJ.
Very interesting, I guess u forgot that ur angel CJ met with Halbroke once that we know off. That SS and Nisar met with Kayani few times is also innocent.
But ofcoz everyone who backs CJ is angel while everyone who raise a qts must be a low life scum. The hypocricy of my nation never cease to amazes me. The blind following the devotion never ceases no matter wat. If the oppo use bad language we blast them as PPP being blasted but its ok for us to call our opposition watever name we can. Since we have no rational argument hey just call names instead of countering the argument. So aasma jhangir is naali ka keera, well atleast she believes in something on rational grounds and had devoted her life to acheive those goals. Do I agree with her on her stand most of the times hell no, polar opposite after all am ziaist and islmist, but I can respect her stand and convictions.
Gotta Give it to PPP they still choose to show up in court despite all reservations, Ministers showing up in court and facing the music. Gotta respect that from PPP, u talk abt law and order and talk abt CJ verdict not his actions, well then why double standard on PPP? They atleast showing up in courts an’t running away. Won’t u admit that PPP is obeying the court. Oh but u can’t, its much easier to propagate the lie that is Idaroon ka Tasadum and PPP destroying institutions.
Jazoo
I was not talking abt you in particular, i was talking in general terms.Kurd is not against CJ but doesn’t approve many things he is butting into.
I read the article was gonna post, i loved this one by him